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    2021 Nissan 400Z - Reveal 9/15/2020

    Anyone curious with seeing the official release of the 400Z? It’s going to source the 3.0L TT from the Q60 and manual transmission has been confirmed as a go.






    2021 Nissan 400Z Will Revive the Z-Car's Legacy with Twin-Turbo V-6 Power

    The sports car that everyone forgot—including Nissan, apparently—is still alive, though hardly doing well. Judged against today's sports cars, the 11-year-old Nissan 370Z is about as competitive as a bicycle. Later this year, though, Nissan will finally give the Z-car the attention it deserves by introducing a successor.

    The new Z, code-named Z35, won't be a ground-up rethink. It will continue on the latest version of Nissan's FM platform and share components with the Infiniti Q60 coupe. The twin-turbo 3.0-liter V-6 that makes up to 400 horsepower in the Infiniti Q50 and Q60 seems like a shoo-in. A seven-speed automatic is the only transmission available in those Infinitis, but we're hopeful that a stick shift will be offered as well. Nissan already hinted that such a thing is possible when it bolted a six-speed manual to the twin-turbo engine for a modified 370Z SEMA concept in 2019. The engine and architecture can accommodate all-wheel drive, but we doubt Nissan will go that route. The Z is a front-engine rear-wheel-drive sports car, and this one should stay true to that heritage.

    The 300Z name (or 300ZX for nostalgia's sake) would make the most sense given the engine's displacement, but we predict that Nissan will instead choose 400Z to assert the new car's superiority over its predecessors. The original Datsun 240Z is said to serve as a styling inspiration. We hope that means the 400Z will present simple, clean lines rather than the busy, borderline-tortured look seen on some recent Nissan concepts and production cars. Roundish headlights and 300ZX-style taillights will reportedly serve as key retro touches.

    The old-school theme won't extend inside; that's a good thing because the Z's interior is in need of a modern makeover. The cabin should retain its cozy two-seat atmosphere, but it'll benefit from the latest Nissan infotainment system and a fresh dashboard design.

    Today's 370Z starts at $31,015, making it a decent performance bargain despite its age. When it goes on sale next year, the new model will see a price uptick but start somewhere in the $40,000s to undercut the Toyota Supra.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/400z
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    Not curious in the least.

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    If it looks like that, meh.

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    no inline 6 no care

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    love the 240 rear end.

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    I guess it could suck more. They should have put a little more effort into making the front match the rear... a real 240/260 retro job instead of a half assed one.
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    never been a fan of the new school nissan Z's...the ass end always looked incomplete / too much slope.
    i always like these however.

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    Tt 3.0 that only makes 400hp?

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    Surprised Nissan still even exists. It should have folded in the early 2000s.

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    Also, if it's going to have the 3.0L TT, it should be called the 300ZX.

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    Rear looks like a Mustang with downs syndrome

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    I read where they were going to incorporate a hint of the 300ZX's tail lights as a way of paying homage to it. I always liked the 300ZX... especially the taillights.


    But, I do agree... in those pictures, it certainly looks more like a mustang rear end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No F-bdy Bs View Post
    Tt 3.0 that only makes 400hp?
    Is that not good? While I'm sure there are more powerful boosted V6s, that certainly seems more than adequate for this car.

    The 3.5 Ecoboost is larger and makes less HP & people rave about that engine.
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    Makes me kick myself for selling my 75 280Z. We had a ton of fun in that car. The only thing I hated were those stupid crash bumpers. They stuck out like 5" on both front and rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter98TA View Post
    Makes me kick myself for selling my 75 280Z. We had a ton of fun in that car. The only thing I hated were those stupid crash bumpers. They stuck out like 5" on both front and rear
    my dad had a 72 240z that he gave to my oldest brother in about 1990ish. He still has it, but it has barely run in probably 2 decades now. It's not in terrible shape overall and I'd love to restore it, but I don't have a great way to get it from Ohio to Georgia. Definitely holds a special place in my heart though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANSBIRD View Post
    Is that not good? While I'm sure there are more powerful boosted V6s, that certainly seems more than adequate for this car.

    The 3.5 Ecoboost is larger and makes less HP & people rave about that engine.
    also makes like 400/450 with just a tune. In a smallerish car like that, it's more than enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANSBIRD View Post
    Is that not good? While I'm sure there are more powerful boosted V6s, that certainly seems more than adequate for this car.

    The 3.5 Ecoboost is larger and makes less HP & people rave about that engine.
    a simple tune to either one of those engines and it's a whole different vehicle. 400hp from the factory isn't horrible just de-tuned for power/drivetrain longevity

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverSS View Post
    also makes like 400/450 with just a tune. In a smallerish car like that, it's more than enough.
    That's what I was thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANSBIRD View Post
    Is that not good? While I'm sure there are more powerful boosted V6s, that certainly seems more than adequate for this car.

    The 3.5 Ecoboost is larger and makes less HP & people rave about that engine.
    Yeah I don't see where 400hp is a problem here. The Cadillac 3.0T doesn't even make that much and it will scoot in the heavier CT5.

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    This is the kind of car you buy for $25k in 3-4 years and not $45k new though.

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    Looks better than the Supra, I will give it that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverSS View Post
    my dad had a 72 240z that he gave to my oldest brother in about 1990ish. He still has it, but it has barely run in probably 2 decades now. It's not in terrible shape overall and I'd love to restore it, but I don't have a great way to get it from Ohio to Georgia. Definitely holds a special place in my heart though.
    Nice. Frame rust is a big issue with them. Hopefully it's been stored inside or covered very well. Mine was the first year for FI. Yours has the twin carbs. An LS fits in there easily too. hint hint

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    Not enough HP

    What's it going to compete with?

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    If only there were another 6 cylinder turbocharged rear wheel drive Japanese sports car for it to compete against.


    Idiot

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    It has the same motor and horsepower that my Q50 Red Sport has and those have gone mid to high 12s in a 4 door sedan. With a few bolt on and tune they have gone high 10s. My Q50 is a quick car so if that car isn't heavier than that it will be plenty for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post


    If only there were another 6 cylinder turbocharged rear wheel drive Japanese sports car for it to compete against.


    Idiot
    Not to mention it'll likely compete stat wise with a mustang and camaro. And then, performance wise at least, you have the various German coupes as well like the 440, S5 and C43 etc...

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    I like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion View Post
    It has the same motor and horsepower that my Q50 Red Sport has and those have gone mid to high 12s in a 4 door sedan. With a few bolt on and tune they have gone high 10s. My Q50 is a quick car so if that car isn't heavier than that it will be plenty for it.

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    I don't trust you when you say a few bolt ons. To most guys that means like headers, intake, pulley swaps... I think we all know by now you mean cylinder boring, forged bottom end, parts ovee-nighted from Japan...

    My wife bought me a tee you need, it is a simple black shirt with white block letters that says, "I void warranties"


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    Quote Originally Posted by windham View Post
    I don't trust you when you say a few bolt ons. To most guys that means like headers, intake, pulley swaps... I think we all know by now you mean cylinder boring, forged bottom end, parts ovee-nighted from Japan...

    My wife bought me a tee you need, it is a simple black shirt with white block letters that says, "I void warranties"

    Lol, point well taken and that shirt would be awesome. This is why it takes though to run go consistent low 11s and/or some 10s

    Intakes
    Heat exchanger
    Downpipes
    Catback
    Low pressure fuel pump
    High pressure fuel pump
    E85 tune


    That will net you consistent low 11s and high 10s. Replace the turbos and now you are mid low 10s but now you are starting to get into some money and willprobablyneed injectors too.

    My car has Intakes, downpipes, cutback with no tune and when it cools off I am going to the track and see where it stands. I plan on doing the heat exchanger, pumps and tune over the winter and that will be plenty for a daily.


    Here's one with those basic mods running against a bunch of stuff



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    Love the rear but the rest of it makes it look like a jelly bean.

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    I question the choice of bright yellow as the prototype color, but overall I like it. Interior looks really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggerjerk View Post

    Thing is really fucking ugly,imo...

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    Eh, I can see they were going to the look of the original 240z. Just the bumper on the original doesn't make it look like a brick.


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    I did not realize the 370Z has been around since 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zo6pilot View Post
    Thing is really fucking ugly,imo...
    Yea, that's about as blah as it comes... but compared to the 370, that looks like the direction they wanted to go b/c the 370 had a lot more character.


    And I think it looks a little better than the previous 2 generations.




    I think it's b/c I like don't hate this angle of it:

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverSS View Post
    I question the choice of bright yellow as the prototype color, but overall I like it. Interior looks really nice.
    Same here, looks a lot better than the Supra, that's for sure. Really curious to see where these will be price wise.

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    Don't love it. Reminds me of....



    The aftermarket will have a field day with it though. C8s and Zs if SEMA goes off next year. Maybe it will do it for me if there was a massive front mount IC to replace that black grill nonsense.

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    both front grills in the mockups in post 1 are better for sure. there's something weird about the fact that it's an actual rectangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverSS View Post
    both front grills in the mockups in post 1 are better for sure. there's something weird about the fact that it's an actual rectangle.
    Agreed. Nissan is totally phoning it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No F-bdy Bs View Post
    Tt 3.0 that only makes 400hp?
    400hp is competitive for a mainstream TT 3.0 (non-AMG/SRT/etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiLLs View Post
    a simple tune to either one of those engines and it's a whole different vehicle. 400hp from the factory isn't horrible just de-tuned for power/drivetrain longevity
    most of the time it's turbo speed you aren't trying to exceed to stay within the turbo supplier specifications

    any modern OEM will be trying to get the turbo just large enough to make rated power up to some nominal elevation (2,000-3,000) feet but no larger as that's extra inertia that hurts off the line which is the main focus of drive-ability complaints

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    most of the time it's turbo speed you aren't trying to exceed to stay within the turbo supplier specifications

    any modern OEM will be trying to get the turbo just large enough to make rated power up to some nominal elevation (2,000-3,000) feet but no larger as that's extra inertia that hurts off the line which is the main focus of drive-ability complaints
    even with the small snails on these EB you can feel some turbo lag.
    In the decade i've been around them I have yet to see an over spool condition just from a tuner install.

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    I think 400 hp in that little car will be fun. I also bet it's going to be a better bang for the buck over the Supra.


    However, for $45k or whatever they'll ask for it, I'd go w/ something else that's faster and has a V8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiLLs View Post
    even with the small snails on these EB you can feel some turbo lag.
    In the decade i've been around them I have yet to see an over spool condition just from a tuner install.
    The VR30 turbos have speed sensors on them to keep that from happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    most of the time it's turbo speed you aren't trying to exceed to stay within the turbo supplier specifications

    any modern OEM will be trying to get the turbo just large enough to make rated power up to some nominal elevation (2,000-3,000) feet but no larger as that's extra inertia that hurts off the line which is the main focus of drive-ability complaints

    Well in that case us folks in Colorado would tell you powertrain engineers to go fuck yourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    Well in that case us folks in Colorado would tell you powertrain engineers to go fuck yourselves.
    well, it's all relative at elevation, sure the turbo car is down 15% power, but the NA car is down 30%; also if it made the same power at 10k feet as it did at sea level there would be a shit ton left on the table and everyone not shitting on a mountain top would be annoyed

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiLLs View Post
    even with the small snails on these EB you can feel some turbo lag.
    In the decade i've been around them I have yet to see an over spool condition just from a tuner install.
    If you don't have speed sensors you don't know what your compressor speed is to know that for sure; when I say speed limit most suppliers will require a ~10% safety margin if there isn't a speed sensor (then they are ok running 2-4% margin). It's also not going to fly apart at that supplier rated speed, but completing peak power durability testing become less and less likely. Why tuners get more out is because they don't give too much of a shit about any of that, close the wastegate a little more and go pshhhhhhhhh.

    And unless you have e-motors there will always be delay until the compressor spins fast enough to start to get into an efficient area of operation, no normal turbo car gets around that 1-1.5 second delay where you get a snap amount of torque based on your natural displacement and then a climb up the torque curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    well, it's all relative at elevation, sure the turbo car is down 15% power, but the NA car is down 30%; also if it made the same power at 10k feet as it did at sea level there would be a shit ton left on the table and everyone not shitting on a mountain top would be annoyed
    Up until now manufacturers haven’t had any trouble making cars that had enough headroom to only be down a few percent up here (mostly due to the turbo working harder and a bit more heat as a result). And all the without noteworthy lag. So apparently they’ve forgotten how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    Up until now manufacturers haven’t had any trouble making cars that had enough headroom to only be down a few percent up here (mostly due to the turbo working harder and a bit more heat as a result). And all the without noteworthy lag. So apparently they’ve forgotten how?
    Turbos and elevation are relevant to my interests since my local track usually has a DA of 7800 and above.
    Most literature on the subject surrounds turbo charging diesel engines for the trucking industry. I guess at high elevation the turbo works harder reducing its life span and increasing trucking overhead.

    Apparently the solution is spec-ing a turbo that can spin faster without damaging the turbines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    Why tuners get more out is because they don't give too much of a shit about any of that, close the wastegate a little more and go pshhhhhhhhh.
    .
    i spoke with the engineers at livernois before installing mine, they keep all the safety features in play to avoid any damage like that. like with any vehicle their only recommendation was allowing trans to reach operating temp before WOT events.
    e-motor? psh, compound set up

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUSTINASS View Post
    never been a fan of the new school nissan Z's...the ass end always looked incomplete / too much slope.
    i always like these however.
    The Infiniti versions just seemed better ...

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