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    It's official.....Cadillac brass have lost their damn minds.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ne-names-2020/

    Cadillac Is Switching to New Torque-Based Engine Badging
    Adding to the world glut of numbers, Cadillac will name the XT6's engine "400" after the international newton-meter standard.


    By ANDREW WENDLER
    MAR 13, 2019

    Cadillac's new engine naming scheme will use a three-digit number that corresponds with torque output, measured in newton-meters.
    The first model to adopt the new name is the new XT6 crossover, which will wear a "400" badge.
    Other 2020 Cadillac models will use the names going forward, except for the high-performance V-series models.
    Cadillac announced today that, starting with the 2020 model year, it's adopting a new engine-naming scheme in which the powertrain designation will be based on its torque number. The automaker says that's to give buyers "a clear understanding of the power differences across the lineup."

    The three-digit number, which will show up on exterior badging, comes from torque measured in newton-meters, which the automaker points out is an international standard of measurement that is recognized everywhere (we use pound-feet to measure torque in the U.S.). With the increasing use of turbocharging and electrification of future models, it's "all about the torque," says Cadillac president Steve Carlisle, so finding a way to quantify that in the engine name is what Cadillac decided to do.

    The first example of the new naming scheme is the 400 badge seen here on the new XT6 crossover. That number corresponds to the 3.6-liter V-6's 271 lb-ft of torque, which is 367 newton meters of torque; Cadillac generously rounds it up to 400 and says it will round each number to the nearest 50. Every 2020 model-year and later Cadillac except for the V-series will get the new engine badges, starting with the XT6, Cadillac said. A "T" will denote turbocharging on some models.

    This move is reminiscent of Audi's confusing powertrain naming scheme, which uses two-digit numbers that correspond with power output. These number badges don't appear on any U.S.-market Audi models, but the Audi consumer site does list models like the A6 3.0T with a "55" designation.

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    wtf,,,50 is close enough

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    Looks like Cadillac will never be “The Standard of the World” again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter98TA View Post

    wtf,,,50 is close enough
    Seriously. WTF

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    I wonder how much they paid the consultants who came up with this?

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    "a clear understanding of the power differences across the lineup."
    Yeah, that already exists Cadillac. It's called horsepower.
    Last edited by GldRush98; 03-15-2019 at 02:44 AM.

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    I can see the sales people trying to explain this shit to buyers now. Cadillac should just change the motto to "What the hell is a newton meter?" since most sales people and buyers will be asking that very question.

    FFS, I wish Cadillac would just die already.
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    They should do it based on horsepower........................but use a unit like PS or KW.

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    I knew they were in trouble when Johan's replacement went full out executive word salad in an interview about the brand future and they took a shortened Traverse and decided to charge 50k for the base model.

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    What in the blue fuck?

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    Last time I mathed 367 is closer to 350 than 400.

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    terrible...
    the only thing keeping cadi alive in my opinion is the Escalade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    I knew they were in trouble when Johan's replacement went full out executive word salad in an interview about the brand future and they took a shortened Traverse and decided to charge 50k for the base model.
    It's essentially a loaded up Acadia. Same short platform as that model.

    I will say that Cadillac desperately needed to enter the 3 row family crossover market so I don't know what else they could have done. I was a little surprised that they went with the short version of the platform though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUSTINASS View Post
    terrible...
    the only thing keeping cadi alive in my opinion is the Escalade...
    Maybe but XT5 is its volume seller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    They should do it based on horsepower........................but use a unit like PS or KW.
    CV

    Its Italian for "I lied about your HP, me-scuzi"

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    Yeah this is exactly what the average buyer is looking for.

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    I wish Cadillac would just make V models and drop the prices to affordable rates

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    Was next to a CT6-V on the way to work this morning, the car was freaking gorgeous and I'm not a giant fan of Caddy's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy_Baby9 View Post
    Was next to a CT6-V on the way to work this morning, the car was freaking gorgeous and I'm not a giant fan of Caddy's.
    Oh, you mean a CT6-V 640? (yes, I know the V models aren't included)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCM MD/PhD View Post
    Oh, you mean a CT6-V 640? (yes, I know the V models aren't included)
    GM is calling it CT6-V, not sure of the designation. Looks kinda boring in pictures but it looked mean AF on the street in pearl white, I kept trying to get a closer look of it.


    https://www.cadillac.com/future-conc...es/ct6-v-sedan
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    I shall now consider the 5.3 in my truck to be a 383 because rounding. I’m considering a 502 badge in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    I shall now consider the 5.3 in my truck to be a 383 because rounding. I’m considering a 502 badge in the future.
    You round up by 1. So the 327 in my Camaro is now a 427.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy_Baby9 View Post
    GM is calling it CT6-V, not sure of the designation. Looks kinda boring in pictures but it looked mean AF on the street in pearl white, I kept trying to get a closer look of it.


    https://www.cadillac.com/future-conc...es/ct6-v-sedan
    that car is so sexy!

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    If anything, limiting the CT6-V so severely in numbers is where Cadillac lost their minds. Hey, we're going to make this awesome car that people will want... and then only make a few... haha fuck everybody else.

    Meanwhile, Mercedes, BMW, et. al. will make as many 550hp sedans as people want to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    If anything, limiting the CT6-V so severely in numbers is where Cadillac lost their minds. Hey, we're going to make this awesome car that people will want... and then only make a few... haha fuck everybody else.

    Meanwhile, Mercedes, BMW, et. al. will make as many 550hp sedans as people want to buy.
    don't forget the tesla sedan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    They should do it based on horsepower........................but use a unit like PS or KW.
    ok that would actually be cool and funny. I'd respect that

    On an aside you ever notice when you go to http://news.google.com

    it gives you 3 options for temperature , I was bored one day so I set it to Kelvin

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasim View Post
    ok that would actually be cool and funny. I'd respect that

    On an aside you ever notice when you go to http://news.google.com

    it gives you 3 options for temperature , I was bored one day so I set it to Kelvin
    Never noticed that before. Looks like it's going to be 289K today. That's 61 in 'Merican degrees.

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    I bet it's the same guys who gave us IHOb

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    In summary, they don't wanna slap a 2.0 badge on the back anymore like all the other makers....so they come up with whacky shit that means NOTHING!

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    Using their "new math", the Hellcat Redeye rounds up to a smooth 1000.

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    the atv engine size measuring standard.


    nice 760cc "800" bro...

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    I hope they are mercilessly ridiculed in automotive media for this

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    is this how cars are rated in China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill deuce View Post
    the atv engine size measuring standard.


    nice 701cc "800" bro...
    Fixed.

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    ...Cadillac generously rounds it up to 400 and says it will round each number to the nearest 50. ...
    Last edited by Sax1031; 03-16-2019 at 09:43 AM.

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    They could go full retard and convert to watts for killer power numbers.

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    Stupid, just very..stupid. Most non car people aren't going to care, regardless of what the brass do.

    Not gonna stop me from moving into a Gen3 CTS-V though in the near future


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