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    Dyno Test Reveals The 2020 Toyota Supra Has a Lot More Power Than Expected

    Rated: 335 hp / 365 lb-ft
    As dynoed by Livernois: 339 hp / 427 lb-ft AT THE WHEELS

    Though being an auto care I have to wonder if it ships with a loose converter and part of that crazy torque figure is converter flash.

    Still, more impressive than I originally thought. Can't wait to see what it puts down with a tune and bolt-ons.

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    Really that much HP and torque in that small a car will be pretty fun. I still don't find it good looking, but maybe they look better in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GldRush98 View Post
    Really that much HP and torque in that small a car will be pretty fun. I still don't find it good looking, but maybe they look better in person.
    That's my biggest gripe too. I just don't like the styling at all. I always liked the old Supra, even the ones from the 80s. This one is just....meh.

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    i don't mind the styling other than the MAXIMUM AIRFLOW front bumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GldRush98 View Post
    Really that much HP and torque in that small a car will be pretty fun. I still don't find it good looking, but maybe they look better in person.

    it looks better in person. I was kinda surprised how small it was overall. Then again the viewing angle I saw it at was odd and I haven't been near a Mk IV in a decade so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    Dyno Test Reveals The 2020 Toyota Supra Has a Lot More Power Than Expected

    Rated: 335 hp / 365 lb-ft
    As dynoed by Livernois: 339 hp / 427 lb-ft AT THE WHEELS

    Though being an auto care I have to wonder if it ships with a loose converter and part of that crazy torque figure is converter flash.

    Still, more impressive than I originally thought. Can't wait to see what it puts down with a tune and bolt-ons.
    They didn’t dyno at a 1:1 gear, it was 1.37:1

    If you factor out the torque multiplication it comes down to around 330tq at the wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anewconvert View Post
    They didn’t dyno at a 1:1 gear, it was 1.37:1

    If you factor out the torque multiplication it comes down to around 330tq at the wheels
    Too bad nobody will remember this. It will be remembered and quoted as having 427 lb-ft until eternity now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anewconvert View Post
    They didn’t dyno at a 1:1 gear, it was 1.37:1

    If you factor out the torque multiplication it comes down to around 330tq at the wheels
    The dyno software doesn't correct for that? Lots of cars don't even have a 1:1 gear any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    The dyno software doesn't correct for that? Lots of cars don't even have a 1:1 gear any more.
    I’m sure if you tell the computer it will.

    Iirc they have to enter their n the final drive ratio and then they are supposed to dyno in the gear closest to 1:1

    Fourth gear in most 6speeds is essentially 1:1 except in close ratio sets where it’s usually 5th gear.


    I’m just guessing here. Maybe that is a real number, but when you do the factoring the torque number comes down to something reasonable. 427 lb-ft at the wheels is 490 lbft at the crank assuming 15% drivetrain loss... in a car claiming 350. That’s a WILD discrepancy and implies and engine that is either under-cammed or operating with a tiny AF turbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anewconvert View Post
    I’m sure if you tell the computer it will.

    Iirc they have to enter their n the final drive ratio and then they are supposed to dyno in the gear closest to 1:1

    Fourth gear in most 6speeds is essentially 1:1 except in close ratio sets where it’s usually 5th gear.


    I’m just guessing here. Maybe that is a real number, but when you do the factoring the torque number comes down to something reasonable. 427 lb-ft at the wheels is 490 lbft at the crank assuming 15% drivetrain loss... in a car claiming 350. That’s a WILD discrepancy and implies and engine that is either under-cammed or operating with a tiny AF turbo
    Decent modern turbo engines fully spool the turbo way down low, so a retarded high low end torque spike isn't particularly surprising. It is, however, what you'd expect after a tune and not before. The stock tune usually pulls boost at low rpm to save driveline components.

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    aint nobody under rating an engine like that these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwollHottie View Post
    The stock tune usually pulls boost at low rpm to save driveline components.
    on turbo motors it's also to stay safe of surging the turbo(s) & limit O2 blowing from the intake straight out the exhaust when the manifold pressure > exh pressure during valve overlap (which there is incentive to do as that increases mass flow through the turbo and move away from the surge line) -> that excess O2 screws with O2 signal readings and can spike CO emissions

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    Not gunna lie

    As much as I hate the idea of it being a BMW, the look is definitely growing on me


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    All the videos and articles Ive read have emphasized that while the chassis at its base came from BMW the chassis tuning, suspension, steering, transmission tuning and engine tuning were done completely independently without any cross reference between the two companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anewconvert View Post
    All the videos and articles Ive read have emphasized that while the chassis at its base came from BMW the chassis tuning, suspension, steering, transmission tuning and engine tuning were done completely independently without any cross reference between the two companies.
    except all the bmw part numbers on the suspension, etc.

    So they changed some numbers in some pcm tables. :ummwoot:

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87f383 View Post
    except all the bmw part numbers on the suspension, etc.

    So they changed some numbers in some pcm tables. :ummwoot:




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