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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunavelli View Post

    There's potentially quite a few competitors but I just don't see anyone deciding on the Supra over something like a Cayman. Maybe the Audi TT? But again the TT is the more "mature" choice if that makes sense which is who the people with the money are. It's kinda like the new Civic type R... I can't see anyone over the age of 35 driving that car, but $35k or whatever it is is a lot more affordable than at minimum $50k.

    Yeah, I don't see anyone cross shopping a Cayman or TTS with the Supra even though performance and price are kinda sorta maybe in the same range. For exactly that reason too - Audi or Porshe are targeted to someone in their late 30's or 40s whereas the Supra is very much a 20's boy racer demographic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firehawk View Post
    It took them this long to put a crappy body kit on a BMW? I mean it has a ton of scoops and vents but none of them are even functional, what the hell?

    This isn't even a case of "bean counters passing along a good deal" to justify the lack of Toyota DNA. Damn it Toyota you have a freaking RC-F to re-badge if you want.
    Yep. It has these weirdly positioned "vents" on the hood - they're fake. The rear fender that has a fender on a fender and a vent - fake. And don't get me started on the front of the car. The other thing that's annoying is that the front bumper has the proximity sensors that stick out like a sore thumb. They didn't even try to blend or hide them.

    Oh, it also has less HP than the Z4.

    If you can stomach "Schmee," perhaps the most annoying dude on the planet, he gives an overview of the car:


    Why anyone would buy this over a well-optioned Camaro or Mustang is beyond me...

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    Someone posted a pic showing all of the fake vents it had on it and they were all over the place. It was way more than you would think.

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    https://www.motor1.com/news/304630/t...e-concept-trd/

    Supra TRD Concept revealed by Toyota.

    Basically front and rear spoilers, side skirts, more fake vents on the door, and different wheels. No power increase, no braking or suspension mods.

    Just lol, Toyota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    https://www.motor1.com/news/304630/t...e-concept-trd/

    Supra TRD Concept revealed by Toyota.

    Basically front and rear spoilers, side skirts, more fake vents on the door, and different wheels. No power increase, no braking or suspension mods.

    Just lol, Toyota.
    2021, screaming chicken on the hood option.

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    Buying this instead of the Z4 would be like buying the Fiata instead of the Miata ..aka dumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by four o two View Post
    Yep. It has these weirdly positioned "vents" on the hood - they're fake. The rear fender that has a fender on a fender and a vent - fake. And don't get me started on the front of the car. The other thing that's annoying is that the front bumper has the proximity sensors that stick out like a sore thumb. They didn't even try to blend or hide them.

    Oh, it also has less HP than the Z4.

    If you can stomach "Schmee," perhaps the most annoying dude on the planet, he gives an overview of the car:


    Why anyone would buy this over a well-optioned Camaro or Mustang is beyond me...
    His intro makes me want to immediately exit the video. Once he gets going, he's not so bad. The way he says "HI GUYS I'M SHMEE HELLO" and that look on his face is just cringey though.

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    Well if bland looking middle aged white guy gives it the thumbs up, it must be worth it.

    Prolly had a 4 Camry's before it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four o two View Post
    Yep. It has these weirdly positioned "vents" on the hood - they're fake. The rear fender that has a fender on a fender and a vent - fake. And don't get me started on the front of the car. The other thing that's annoying is that the front bumper has the proximity sensors that stick out like a sore thumb. They didn't even try to blend or hide them.

    Oh, it also has less HP than the Z4.

    If you can stomach "Schmee," perhaps the most annoying dude on the planet, he gives an overview of the car:


    Why anyone would buy this over a well-optioned Camaro or Mustang is beyond me...
    There are a few people who are willing to pay more for less performance just because its Japanese and has a famous name. People who don't know cars will assume it has way more performance and technology than it actually has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four o two View Post
    Yep. It has these weirdly positioned "vents" on the hood - they're fake. The rear fender that has a fender on a fender and a vent - fake. And don't get me started on the front of the car. The other thing that's annoying is that the front bumper has the proximity sensors that stick out like a sore thumb. They didn't even try to blend or hide them.

    Oh, it also has less HP than the Z4.

    If you can stomach "Schmee," perhaps the most annoying dude on the planet, he gives an overview of the car:


    Why anyone would buy this over a well-optioned Camaro or Mustang is beyond me...
    That is one ugly car. No bueno.

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    I'd never buy one just due to the existence of the timing chain being on the rear of the the engine. The motor has to be pulled to maintenance it! BMW claims the chain should be good for the lifetime of the motor, but you have guys all over the BMW forums replacing their chains. Never understood why the Germans felt the need to over complicate errr engineer their vehicles. Newer VW Golf's don't even have a drain plug for their trans or a dip stick. That means in order to change the fluid you suck the fluid out, hope you got it all out and then blindly start dumping fluid into the trans fill hole, oh yea the fluid is over $25 per quart and you need like 6 quarts to top it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    Buying this instead of the Z4 would be like buying the Fiata instead of the Miata ..aka dumb
    the 124 is a turbo so it has more power potential though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzSnake View Post
    I'd never buy one just due to the existence of the timing chain being on the rear of the the engine. The motor has to be pulled to maintenance it! BMW claims the chain should be good for the lifetime of the motor, but you have guys all over the BMW forums replacing their chains. Never understood why the Germans felt the need to over complicate errr engineer their vehicles.
    german engineering is the most overrated thing ever and has been since the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzSnake View Post
    I'd never buy one just due to the existence of the timing chain being on the rear of the the engine. The motor has to be pulled to maintenance it! BMW claims the chain should be good for the lifetime of the motor, but you have guys all over the BMW forums replacing their chains. Never understood why the Germans felt the need to over complicate errr engineer their vehicles. Newer VW Golf's don't even have a drain plug for their trans or a dip stick. That means in order to change the fluid you suck the fluid out, hope you got it all out and then blindly start dumping fluid into the trans fill hole, oh yea the fluid is over $25 per quart and you need like 6 quarts to top it off.
    Wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill deuce View Post
    the 124 is a turbo so it has more power potential though.
    And people are getting huge discounts on the 124.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill deuce View Post
    german engineering is the most overrated thing ever and has been since the beginning.
    You mean putting a thermite skin on a hydrogen balloon might not be the choice of most engineers? Whodathunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill deuce View Post
    the 124 is a turbo so it has more power potential though.
    The 1.4T is an engine you stay far, far away from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    The 1.4T is an engine you stay far, far away from.
    i haven't heard many bad things about the multi airs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    You mean putting a thermite skin on a hydrogen balloon might not be the choice of most engineers? Whodathunk?
    tiger tanks are great!

    unless you actually use full throttle and the transmission explodes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EVILFACE View Post
    Well if bland looking middle aged white guy gives it the thumbs up, it must be worth it.

    Prolly had a 4 Camry's before it.
    The dude is "Schmee" and he's a ridiculously obnoxious (and also rich) dude from across the pond who owns more cool cars than I ever will, and also reviews them.

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    Saw someone else call this turd a BMW Celica. I think that's the best fitting name for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill deuce View Post
    i haven't heard many bad things about the multi airs.

    Yeah, there is nothing inherently wrong with them. Also best sounding 4 banger ever made pretty much.

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    I'm glad that at least outside the company they dont have a bad rep, most people that work on developing them get annoyed because calibrating them is a chore.

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    Apparently Lexus is coming out with a car with the same engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    Apparently Lexus is coming out with a car with the same engine.
    SC300 reboot?? Would make sense. The original SC300 was functionally a rebadged Supra iirc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_S View Post
    Apparently Lexus is coming out with a car with the same engine.
    There is talk of Lexus putting this engine in the next generation IS.

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    Already 2jz swap kit in development.

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    i am... disappoint

    typical toyota bean counter move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    i am... disappoint

    typical toyota bean counter move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by four o two View Post
    There is talk of Lexus putting this engine in the next generation IS.
    Does anyone care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    i am... disappoint

    typical toyota bean counter move.
    Well holy shit. Look what the Supra dragged in

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    Can’t the BMW engine make similar amounts of power without internal modifications than what the old 2JZ could do? Or is this just the Toyota faithful being crybabies because it isn’t a Toyota motor under the hood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    Can’t the BMW engine make similar amounts of power without internal modifications than what the old 2JZ could do? Or is this just the Toyota faithful being crybabies because it isn’t a Toyota motor under the hood?
    The Supra didn't get the HO version (382hp) which I would imagine is the most legit grievance. Anything beyond that is just them bitching, no doubt the BMW engine could handle more power than the old 2JZ, its validated to survive 380hp, not just 320hp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrispyCharger View Post
    The Supra didn't get the HO version (382hp) which I would imagine is the most legit grievance. Anything beyond that is just them bitching, no doubt the BMW engine could handle more power than the old 2JZ, its validated to survive 380hp, not just 320hp.
    No I meant modified. People have taken those N54 and N55 motors to well over 500hp on the stock longblock. Maybe even 600hp, I don’t remember. How many of the Toyota fanboys that are whining will actually want to take them beyond those horsepower levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    No I meant modified. People have taken those N54 and N55 motors to well over 500hp on the stock longblock. Maybe even 600hp, I don’t remember. How many of the Toyota fanboys that are whining will actually want to take them beyond those horsepower levels.
    Because I-6 motors are perfectly balanced(primary and secondary forces all cancel) they can normally handle high horse power just fine as long as they don't have shit pistons or rods.

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    I wonder if this is a preview of what Supra owners are going to have to deal with by having a bmw serviced by Toyota?

    http://www.thedrive.com/news/26958/t...-spring-recall

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    Toyota finally outdid the under hood madness that is the ISF.

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    Saw it in person recently. It is smaller than I expected for sure but better looking than in pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87f383 View Post
    Saw it in person recently. It is smaller than I expected for sure but better looking than in pictures.
    Agreed. Looks really well done in person on the version I saw.

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    I'd love to have a new Supra. Might force my girlfriend to buy one, she likes Toyota.

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    A lot quicker than I thought it would be.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GldRush98 View Post


    BMW techs are used to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngLe View Post
    12.3@113
    A lot quicker than I thought it would be.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/
    Damn. That is quick.

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    So... not as fast as a $35k camaro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    So... not as fast as a $35k camaro.
    Who’d a figured a car with 100 more hp would be quicker?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    So... not as fast as a $35k camaro.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

    120 more hp and it runs the same e.t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed_demon24 View Post
    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

    120 more hp and it runs the same e.t.
    Stock sixth gens running 11s. Nice try. Maybe you can start a thread whining about the <5% failure rate of LS7s

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    Stock sixth gens running 11s. Nice try. Maybe you can start a thread whining about the <5% failure rate of LS7s
    So you want to compare magazine times on an unprepped dirty surface of the supra to hero passes in negative da for the 6th gen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.0THIS View Post
    Stock sixth gens running 11s. Nice try. Maybe you can start a thread whining about the <5% failure rate of LS7s
    There have only been a handful of A8 6th gen SS that have broken into the 11's bone stock. Most are running lowing 12s. Still, give me the Camaro over the new Supra. That car does nothing for me.

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    Multiple A8 6th gens have gone 11s stock, I think the record is 11.8 but don't quote me. Mine went 12.2 with a shitty 1.96 60 time so it could have gone 11s with a better driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed_demon24 View Post
    So you want to compare magazine times on an unprepped dirty surface of the supra to hero passes in negative da for the 6th gen?
    I just wanted to be an argumentative **** since you were being one with me.

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    Can we include the C5 Z06 then? 405hp and a handful have run 11's stock also?

    https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...fast-list.html

    1--11.783 @ 116.90--1.818--J-Rod---------'02
    2--11.818 @ 117.26--1.783--Ranger--------'02 11/03 Slip
    3--11.844 @ 117.91--1.761--Gary2004Z06--'04 12/07 Post 229, Slip
    4--11.93x @ 119.xx--1.xxx --Esoteric-------'0x
    5--11.97x @ 118.80--1.90x--GMHTP--------'04 03/04
    6--11.99x @ 117.61--1.xxx --02Z06Racer---'02
    7--12.048 @ 115.92--1.866--pwrshfd-------'02 12/03
    8--12.08x @ 115.95--1.83x--Pray ----------'02 01/06 Slip
    9--12.09x @ xxx.xx --1.79x--UVETTA -------'03
    10-12.131 @ 120.65--1.970--zapp109-------'04 03/09 Slip, Post #384
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potent68 View Post
    Can we include the C5 Z06 then? 405hp and a handful have run 11's stock also?

    https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...fast-list.html
    I doubt that anyone looking at a new Supra is cross shopping a 15+ year old Z06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gearhead SS View Post
    I doubt that anyone looking at a new Supra is cross shopping a 15+ year old Z06.
    I cross-shopped a new Mustang GT, Performance Pack, etc and a Camaro 2SS when I was shopping for my Z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potent68 View Post
    I cross-shopped a new Mustang GT, Performance Pack, etc and a Camaro 2SS when I was shopping for my Z.
    Well, you're not the norm.

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