Ugh o new camaro...Ford at it again...

sykal · 05-21-2009, 01:34 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/18/r...ote-v8-coming/

could be very interesting.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 01:39 PM

5.0L making 400 hp
6.2L making 425 hp

interesting

sykal · 05-21-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
5.0L making 400 hp
6.2L making 425 hp

interesting

400 hp @ 3500 rpms is the kicker

and -300 lbs too

i smell trouble for the camaro

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by sykal
400 hp @ 3500 rpms is the kicker

and -300 lbs too

i smell trouble for the camaro

I smell Ford over-rating the engine.

It took them throwing on a supercharger to get a 4.6L even close to 400 hp, Now, they revamp the engine, make it .4L larger and they magically make 400 N/A?

sykal · 05-21-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I smell Ford over-rating the engine.

well see

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by sykal
well see

I'm not questioning it simply b/c I drive a GM... I like Ford plenty. I just doubt it'll be outrunning the Camaro. Call me naive for predicting something this early, but I don't see it happening w/ this car.

SadbutTrue · 05-21-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I smell Ford over-rating the engine.

It took them throwing on a supercharger to get a 4.6L even close to 400 hp, Now, they revamp the engine, make it .4L larger and they magically make 400 N/A?

I can't think of any examples of Ford really overrating engines. The old Mach and Cobra motors were generally underrated (other than the 99s, but the recall fixed that)... the 03' Cobra motors underrated in a big way. The 05+ GT engines tended to be right on the money, if anything again slightly underrated.

I've been waiting for the 5.0 forever, sounds like a great engine. If the power rating is accurate (no reason it couldn't be, though it would be one of the best entry-level N/A domestic engines ever as far as hp per liter goes, so perhaps some skepticism is warranted).

I'd be really surprised at 400 hp at 3500 rpm.. sykal did you mean 400 ft-lbs? That'd make much more sense. I imagine peak power coming above 6500, that 5.0s gonna have to rev to make 400.

ill deuce · 05-21-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I smell Ford over-rating the engine.

It took them throwing on a supercharger to get a 4.6L even close to 400 hp, Now, they revamp the engine, make it .4L larger and they magically make 400 N/A?

well,the mach 1 made 320 with around 10:1 comp. and a fair intake.

you bump up the compression,maybe use their fr500 is similar intake,and an extra 400cc,tweak the cams,etc.

the 4v heads have a lot potential too

ill deuce · 05-21-2009, 02:03 PM

FR500+H%2cC%2cI+99+Cobra++vs.+Bolt-on%2c+PUllied+03+Cobr

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I smell Ford over-rating the engine.

It took them throwing on a supercharger to get a 4.6L even close to 400 hp, Now, they revamp the engine, make it .4L larger and they magically make 400 N/A?

Dan, the 4.6 has an absolutely tiny bore (3.55"). By increasing displacement, ford was able to unshroud the valves. Combined with hotter cams, better heads, higher compression, and a decent intake, there is no reason why it could not produce 400bhp. Many aftermarket big bore mod motors are making 375rwhp without a wild setup.

sykal · 05-21-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by SadbutTrue
I can't think of any examples of Ford really overrating engines. The old Mach and Cobra motors were generally underrated (other than the 99s, but the recall fixed that)... the 03' Cobra motors underrated in a big way. The 05+ GT engines tended to be right on the money, if anything again slightly underrated.

I've been waiting for the 5.0 forever, sounds like a great engine. If the power rating is accurate (no reason it couldn't be, though it would be one of the best entry-level N/A domestic engines ever as far as hp per liter goes, so perhaps some skepticism is warranted).

I'd be really surprised at 400 hp at 3500 rpm.. sykal did you mean 400 ft-lbs? That'd make much more sense. I imagine peak power coming above 6500, that 5.0s gonna have to rev to make 400.

i did!

sorry, type-o

i think camaro makes it at 3950 or something

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Quadcammer
Dan, the 4.6 has an absolutely tiny bore (3.55"). By increasing displacement, ford was able to unshroud the valves. Combined with hotter cams, better heads, higher compression, and a decent intake, there is no reason why it could not produce 400bhp. Many aftermarket big bore mod motors are making 375rwhp without a wild setup.

Then WTH haven't they done it until now? I'm not questioning your post... I'm questioning why Ford waited this long to make a powerful N/A engine.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by SadbutTrue
I can't think of any examples of Ford really overrating engines. The old Mach and Cobra motors were generally underrated (other than the 99s, but the recall fixed that)... the 03' Cobra motors underrated in a big way. The 05+ GT engines tended to be right on the money, if anything again slightly underrated.

I've been waiting for the 5.0 forever, sounds like a great engine. If the power rating is accurate (no reason it couldn't be, though it would be one of the best entry-level N/A domestic engines ever as far as hp per liter goes, so perhaps some skepticism is warranted).

I'd be really surprised at 400 hp at 3500 rpm.. sykal did you mean 400 ft-lbs? That'd make much more sense. I imagine peak power coming above 6500, that 5.0s gonna have to rev to make 400.

Granted, it was 10 years ago, but the 97ish Cobras were rated at 305 and put down something like 220.

I know 305 is at the fly and the 220 is at the wheels, but it still should have put down more than that.

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
Then WTH haven't they done it until now? I'm not questioning your post... I'm questioning why Ford waited this long to make a powerful N/A engine.

The 5.0 is a new block. I suppose they didn't do it because they didn't need to. They could slap a blower on it and make everybody happy. The na motor in the GT was enough to support the sales goals they had.

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
Granted, it was 10 years ago, but the 97ish Cobras were rated at 305 and put down something like 220.

I know 305 is at the fly and the 220 is at the wheels, but it still should have put down more than that.

Dan, where are you getting this info?

97 cobras were not the strongest, but they typically dynoed in the high 250s, low 260s. Hence the big controversy when some of the 99 cobras dynoed in the same range.

The 99+ GT 5 speed typically dynos in the 220rwhp range.

sykal · 05-21-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
Granted, it was 10 years ago, but the 97ish Cobras were rated at 305 and put down something like 220.

I know 305 is at the fly and the 220 is at the wheels, but it still should have put down more than that.

wow

if we're going back in time...the 1984 corvette was a major POS

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Quadcammer
Dan, where are you getting this info?

97 cobras were not the strongest, but they typically dynoed in the high 250s, low 260s. Hence the big controversy when some of the 99 cobras dynoed in the same range.

The 99+ GT 5 speed typically dynos in the 220rwhp range.

1st hand... I've seen it on a dyno and was quite disappointed as I use to really think those cars were intimidating.

PS: I just threw '97 out there.. I meant that body style. The one in particular I'm referring to is slightly older than a '97. I just wasn't sure what year it was.

IMPOSTER · 05-21-2009, 02:37 PM

Considering the refreshed look and now the possibility of more power; I can see myself looking into a used 2010 in a few years.

4mulaJoe · 05-21-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
5.0L making 400 hp
6.2L making 425 hp

interesting

Exactly. The motor with more cubic inches has the most potential.

If this new 5.0 is anything like we have seen in the past it will hold very little power for FI/nitrous without a complete rebuild. It is also a small motor so I wouldn't expect 650rwhp on an all out NA build.

I guess it depends on what you would want to do with the car. For me a power adder is a must.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by sykal

wow

if we're going back in time...the 1984 corvette was a major POS

It being a POS is irrelevant to how much power it claimed and how much power it made.

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
1st hand... I've seen it on a dyno and was quite disappointed as I use to really think those cars were intimidating.

PS: I just threw '97 out there.. I meant that body style. The one in particular I'm referring to is slightly older than a '97. I just wasn't sure what year it was.

You witnessed an sn95 cobra with non-functioning IMRCs (intermediate runner control). These are the secondary flaps in the intake that open at 3250rpm. If they don't open, you basically have a 4.6 2v motor. This is a very common problem

A healthy 4.6 SN95 cobra puts down around 260rwhp.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Quadcammer
Dan, the 4.6 has an absolutely tiny bore (3.55"). By increasing displacement, ford was able to unshroud the valves. Combined with hotter cams, better heads, higher compression, and a decent intake, there is no reason why it could not produce 400bhp. Many aftermarket big bore mod motors are making 375rwhp without a wild setup.

Sorry to keep bouncing around here, but now I'm curious.... is the tiny bore of the 4.6L one factor (besides forged internals) that would allow it to hold so much power?

Like 4mulaJoe said.... do you feel the 5.0L will be able to safely hold doubling (or more) the stock power, like the 03/04 Cobra's did? Or do you think it's limits are going to be somewhat lower?

I realize this is all a guessing game at this point.

sykal · 05-21-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by 4mulaJoe
Exactly. The motor with more cubic inches has the most potential.

If this new 5.0 is anything like we have seen in the past it will hold very little power for FI/nitrous without a complete rebuild. It is also a small motor so I wouldn't expect 650rwhp on an all out NA build.

I guess it depends on what you would want to do with the car. For me a power adder is a must.

anything like the past?

have you not seen older fox/notch bodies? hold very little power for FI/Nitrous?

was this a joke?

the older 5.0's responded very nicely to nitrous if i recall correctly.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Quadcammer
You witnessed an sn95 cobra with non-functioning IMRCs (intermediate runner control). These are the secondary flaps in the intake that open at 3250rpm. If they don't open, you basically have a 4.6 2v motor. This is a very common problem

A healthy 4.6 SN95 cobra puts down around 260rwhp.

Ahh, glad that's cleared up.

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
Sorry to keep bouncing around here, but now I'm curious.... is the tiny bore of the 4.6L one factor (besides forged internals) that would allow it to hold so much power?

Like 4mulaJoe said.... do you feel the 5.0L will be able to safely hold doubling (or more) the stock power, like the 03/04 Cobra's did? Or do you think it's limits are going to be somewhat lower?

I realize this is all a guessing game at this point.

Well, im actually not sure how the aluminum 4.6 ford blocks hold so much power, because they aren't really anything special. Small bearing journals, siamese bores, etc.

I also haven't seen the new block so I don't know what they've done to get the extra displacement.

The only positive with the 4.6 block is that it retains the crank pretty well, and there is decent meat between the bores. Head sealing shouldn't be as good as it is.

Without seeing the new block, I'm not sure about its power holding potential.

4mulaJoe · 05-21-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by sykal
anything like the past?

have you not seen older fox/notch bodies? hold very little power for FI/Nitrous?

was this a joke?

the older 5.0's responded very nicely to nitrous if i recall correctly.

Lsx cars are making 600+rwhp on STOCK engines. Those stock 302's split in two at that level. They were impressive for their time, but they would not take a huge amount of nitrous/boost without being built up for very long.

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by sykal
anything like the past?

have you not seen older fox/notch bodies? hold very little power for FI/Nitrous?

was this a joke?

the older 5.0's responded very nicely to nitrous if i recall correctly.

the 5.0 Windsor block is nothing special. Likes to crack down the valley at around 500rwhp. Head sealing is garbage. They are so popular because they are cheap and easy to find, not because they hold more power.

A mexican block is rumored to be good for more power due to higher nickel content and the boss blocks are pretty badass.

in most cases, without a ton of extra displacement (i.e. 427), the small block ford motors don't do a hell of a lot without forced induction.

DustinWS6 · 05-21-2009, 02:50 PM

Not sure if I like this. It's expensive to make power N/A with those motors. Hopefully the motor will be tough and be able to handle some boost/nitrous

sykal · 05-21-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Quadcammer
the 5.0 Windsor block is nothing special. Likes to crack down the valley at around 500rwhp. Head sealing is garbage. They are so popular because they are cheap and easy to find, not because they hold more power.

A mexican block is rumored to be good for more power due to higher nickel content and the boss blocks are pretty badass.

in most cases, without a ton of extra displacement (i.e. 427), the small block ford motors don't do a hell of a lot without forced induction.

I always thought the appeal of them was due to the fact that they were light as fuck for the power they could make.

i always thought they were essentially one of the cheapest & easiest cars to get into low 10's.

thats pretty impressive to me, no?

ill deuce · 05-21-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by 4mulaJoe
Lsx cars are making 600+rwhp on STOCK engines. Those stock 302's split in two at that level. They were impressive for their time, but they would not take a huge amount of nitrous/boost without being built up for very long.

i would just stake a whole lot on lsx rods and pistons at 600+rwhp but the new 5.0 shares only the displacement of 5.0 with the old one

Quadcammer · 05-21-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by sykal
I always thought the appeal of them was due to the fact that they were light as fuck for the power they could make.

i always thought they were essentially one of the cheapest & easiest cars to get into low 10's.

thats pretty impressive to me, no?

the lightweight fox platform was the biggest reason for this. You didn't need 500rwhp to run 10s. Give it the right gear, launch it off the rev limiter, and 450rwhp would get you in the 10s with the right parts.

If you blow the motor, find another in a junkyard for $300 and you're on your way.

4mulaJoe · 05-21-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by ill deuce
i would just stake a whole lot on lsx rods and pistons at 600+rwhp but the new 5.0 shares only the displacement of 5.0 with the old one

Tons of people are doing it including myself. It may be on the high end of what they can take, but they handle it pretty well.

HOTCIVIC · 05-21-2009, 03:15 PM

The Mustang with 400 HP would be very appealing.

Looks good, nice interior, solid rear, 400 HP, lightest of the Big 3 pony cars.

Good job Ford.

Evil87GN · 05-21-2009, 03:15 PM

On the low rwhp SN95 Cobra, he also may have witnessed a 94-95 Cobra with the 5.0. They were only rated at 240-245 hp, even with the GT40 heads/Cobra intake. The factory tune on those cars stunk, to put it simply.

The 4.6 DOHC is pretty hamstrung due to the small displacement, but even so, there is some potential there in N/A form. My Mach 1 made 271 rwhp in stock trim. After adding exhaust (x pipe, catback), CAI, and dyno tuning, it made 293 rwhp through the 4R75W auto trans. I could see it going a good bit higher with some cam tweaking, bigger bore, and long tubes. Throw in an intake spacer to open the plenum volume up (big choke point on these motors), and 375+ rwhp wouldn't be much of a stretch. These motors have potential, just needs more development time.

Snorman · 05-21-2009, 03:16 PM

400 hp and a few hundred pounds lighter than the '10 Camaro should make for some good competition.
I thought the modern muscle car wars had ended. lol.
S.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Evil87GN
On the low rwhp SN95 Cobra, he also may have witnessed a 94-95 Cobra with the 5.0. They were only rated at 240-245 hp, even with the GT40 heads/Cobra intake. The factory tune on those cars stunk, to put it simply.

The 4.6 DOHC is pretty hamstrung due to the small displacement, but even so, there is some potential there in N/A form. My Mach 1 made 271 rwhp in stock trim. After adding exhaust (x pipe, catback), CAI, and dyno tuning, it made 293 rwhp through the 4R75W auto trans. I could see it going a good bit higher with some cam tweaking, bigger bore, and long tubes. Throw in an intake spacer to open the plenum volume up (big choke point on these motors), and 375+ rwhp wouldn't be much of a stretch. These motors have potential, just needs more development time.

I just double checked... his car is a '94.

My buddy's Mach1 w/ a 5-speed made 283rwhp (IIRC).

Evil87GN · 05-21-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I just double checked... his car is a '94.

My buddy's Mach1 w/ a 5-speed made 283rwhp (IIRC).

Reason I figured it was a 5.0 Cobra was I had a '94....it was slow as crap when stock. After doing exhaust, pullies, filter, bumped timing, and 4.10's, it was decent. Managed to get a 12.83 @ 106 out of it on sticky tires, launching damn near the limiter. That was a drive it like I hated it pass

. Otherwise, it was a low 13 sec car on radials. I also had a '96 Mystic Cobra with 4.10's, Flows, h-pipe, and a 90hp hit of spray. Never ran it at the track, but that bish looovvveeddd the gear + giggle gas. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on another 96-98 Cobra though. I just like the SN95 body a bit better than the New Edge (99-04)

**jmd** · 05-21-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Quadcammer
Dan, the 4.6 has an absolutely tiny bore (3.55"). By increasing displacement, ford was able to unshroud the valves. Combined with hotter cams, better heads, higher compression, and a decent intake, there is no reason why it could not produce 400bhp. Many aftermarket big bore mod motors are making 375rwhp without a wild setup.

But not at 3500rpm.

**jmd** · 05-21-2009, 03:47 PM

this thread is going to get ugly.

**jmd** · 05-21-2009, 03:47 PM

uglier*

**CT Morgan** · 05-21-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by 4mulaJoe
Exactly. The motor with more cubic inches has the most potential.

If this new 5.0 is anything like we have seen in the past it will hold very little power for FI/nitrous without a complete rebuild. It is also a small motor so I wouldn't expect 650rwhp on an all out NA build.

I guess it depends on what you would want to do with the car. For me a power adder is a must.

Then buy a GT500.

Ford already supports buyers with FI needs.

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 04:27 PM

When the 5.0 "Cammer" engine sold as a crate motor it was rated at 420-425hp, IIRC.

300 lbs lighter would make up for even 25 hp difference.

Definitely going to be interesting.

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
The Mustang with 400 HP would be very appealing.

Looks good, nice interior, solid rear, 400 HP, lightest of the Big 3 pony cars.

Good job Ford.

Solid rear will mean the Camaro will out handle it. But if you want to go to the dragstrip the straight axle is the choice.

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I smell Ford over-rating the engine.

It took them throwing on a supercharger to get a 4.6L even close to 400 hp, Now, they revamp the engine, make it .4L larger and they magically make 400 N/A?

Check my other post. It was rated higher hp when sold as a crate motor than 400hp.

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 04:33 PM

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FRT 5.0-liter 'Cammer' crate engine

Ford Racing Technology will revolutionize the crate-engine concept when its new 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine becomes available in 2003. Instead of modifying a standard production engine to suit non-stock applications, Ford Racing specifically designed the Cammer to be one of the most technologically advanced crate engines any manufacturer has ever offered.

This high-performance retrofit is an all-aluminum, overhead-cam, 4-valve engine that is a perfect repowering upgrade for vintage Mustangs, street rods, and classic truck projects.

According to Ford Racing Technology engine engineer Andy Schwartz, “The 5.0-liter Cammer delivers a healthy 425-430 horsepower at 6700 rpm. The torque curve peaks with 370 foot-pounds at 4000 rpm.”

The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine is based on the SVT Mustang Cobra’s 4.6-liter 4-valve V-8. However, the crate version has several unique qualities and components, including:

Larger cylinders (94mm vs. 90.2mm) for 5.0 liters of piston displacement
Flanged cylinder liners
Reinforced crankcase web areas
Forged pistons
11.0:1 compression ratio
Ported heads
Higher-lift cams (12mm vs. 10mm)
Beehive-shaped valve springs to accommodate the higher lift
Modified roller-finger followers
Multi-layer steel-insert head gaskets
Higher-flow fuel injectors
3-piece cast-magnesium variable geometry intake manifold
Higher-flow, dual-cone-spray fuel injectors
The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will be shipped with a stock Mustang Cobra oil pan and exhaust manifolds. Installation will be eased substantially by a choice of six different 4.6-liter 4-valve modular wiring harnesses being created specifically for the 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine.

“We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam technology,” said Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing Technology. “This is the future for tuners, project-vehicle builders and aftermarket car and truck enthusiasts. There’s no reason why a crate engine can’t start and perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines in production automobiles and trucks do. The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will provide top performance, a slick underhood appearance and excellent driveability without the hassles attached to carburetors and distributors.”

Probably detuned a little for putting into the mustang.

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by jmd
But not at 3500rpm.

That is why you gear it.

Making power up further in the rpm range + gearing = best racing combo.

silverSS · 05-21-2009, 04:58 PM

Glad they finally went with the 5 liter, but a well optioned one is probably going to be right at $40k. For that kinda coin, I'm looking elsewhere.

4mulaJoe · 05-21-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by CT Morgan
Then buy a GT500.

Ford already supports buyers with FI needs.

I should buy a Zr1 instead of a Z06 too if I want FI, right?

This thread is about the new 5.0. Try and stay on topic.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by silverSS
Glad they finally went with the 5 liter, but a well optioned one is probably going to be right at $40k. For that kinda coin, I'm looking elsewhere.

If the 5.0L is the base GT, then I doubt it'll be that much. Ford seems to keep the GT below the price of the Camaro.

**CT Morgan** · 05-21-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by 4mulaJoe
I should buy a Zr1 instead of a Z06 too if I want FI, right?

This thread is about the new 5.0. Try and stay on topic.

Well, that's a valid point actually.

If the thread is only about the 5.0 then why are you talking about the GM LS3?

If it's a Ford versus Chevy discussion in terms of pony cars... my comment is right on the money.

It's not my fault that GM axed the "Z28" Camaro.

DANSBIRD · 05-21-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by CT Morgan
Well, that's a valid point actually.

If the thread is only about the 5.0 then why are you talking about the GM LS3?

B/c I questioned this amount of power out of such a smaller engine, but that's all been cleared up now and we have moved on.

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by CT Morgan

If it's a Ford versus Chevy discussion in terms of pony cars... my comment is right on the money. It's not my fault that GM axed the "Z28" Camaro.

Current rumors have the "z28" coming out next year but with what engine is the question. Z06 engine, LSA from Caddy, or another variant. No one knows. I would say if it comes out it has at least 500hp.

**CT Morgan** · 05-21-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Sax1031
Current rumors have the "z28" coming out next year but with what engine is the question. Z06 engine, LSA from Caddy, or another variant. No one knows. I would say if it comes out it has at least 500hp.

I actually hope that's true, but I'll believe that when I see it.

krispycobalt · 05-21-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Sax1031
Current rumors have the "z28" coming out next year but with what engine is the question. Z06 engine, LSA from Caddy, or another variant. No one knows. I would say if it comes out it has at least 500hp.

dude, that has been canceled for a long ass time

**Sandman** · 05-21-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by ill deuce

FR500+H%2cC%2cI+99+Cobra++vs.+Bolt-on%2c+PUllied+03+Cobr

I want a Magana flow exhaust

But I guess only fuckheads who race on the highway with other cars around can have it

Sax1031 · 05-21-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by krispycobalt
dude, that has been canceled for a long ass time

I swear I read the current rumor was 2011 for the release of the "z28".

Swoll · 05-21-2009, 08:12 PM

maybe i missed it in the link, but i didnt see it confirmed for the Mustang. We already knew it was coming to the truck and its been speculation for the GT.

I also thought I read somewhere the Coyote was developed in a partnership with Roush and uses the Boss block. It's been awhile since I read that, though, so it may not be accurate.

**CT Morgan** · 05-21-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Swoll
maybe i missed it in the link, but i didnt see it confirmed for the Mustang. We already knew it was coming to the truck and its been speculation for the GT.

I also thought I read somewhere the Coyote was developed in a partnership with Roush and uses the Boss block. It's been awhile since I read that, though, so it may not be accurate.

Right, just says expected.

Press keeps changing quite a bit on both new engines. A SVT package I got the other day lists the new 6.2 for the Raptor at 500 hp. That's the first time I've seen that. I assumed it was misprint, but that would be an odd mistake. 400hp from the 5.0 gives a little credence to 500hp though.

Dwarf Killer · 05-21-2009, 10:56 PM

Actually, it's not hard to see 400hp@3500rpm if you have direct injection and variable valve timing. I would be interested in knowing how they got a bigger bore out of the mod boat anchor though. There wasn't enough room to bore out the block without causing thin walls and overheating between the cylinders in the past. It will be interesting to see what Ford has done to get past that. I'm thinking some kind of cylinder sleeving magic, otherwise it might just be stroke.

Only time will tell.

Collin · 05-21-2009, 11:01 PM

I didn't bother to read what anyone else said.

But....didn't ford recall the 2001 cobra because it didn't make enough power and people complained?