2JZGTE 1st Gen on EBay (will it sell?)

[WCFields]

Originally posted by dave1w41
So you call two blown headgaskets nothing. And I'm sure there was no wear on that engine at all ... It still had the crosshatching in the bores.

2 blown headgaskets due to my taking a known risk of dialing in extra boost on pump gas when it was a 10 sec car. Could've been easily avoided if I wasn't so risk tolerant at turning the boost up.

"And I'm sure there was no wear on that engine at all ... It still had the crosshatching in the bores."

It had 130k miles on, it ran fine, it was not blowing oil, don't be a fool, I would expect some wear, even at stock boost levels.

The fact is even that 4G63 motor I modded, which is nowhere near as bullet proof as the Toyota motor in question, could would, and did stand up to 2 and 3 times the stock power levels for many miles.

Boost is not that hard on a motor if the tune is good. Excessive RPM's will kill a motor faster.

[four o two]

Stock internal Supras have touched the 900+rwhp mark, just search Peter Blach. Why are you so quick to discount a good tune? When you talk like a big HP engine is just a disaster waiting to happen, all you're doing is showing you know nothing about performance.

[Supradedupra]

Lol... this guy is comical.

I've been pushing 600+ rwhp on a stock 2JZ-GTE for a while now with no need to tear down my motor and rebuild.

Lol

[Sax1031]

Originally posted by Supradedupra
Lol... this guy is comical.

I've been pushing 600+ rwhp on a stock 2JZ-GTE for a while now with no need to tear down my motor and rebuild.

Lol

If you like the Nissan GTR don't mention it.

[Sax1031]

And those motors(2jzgte) are fucking beasts. King of the interstate for the longest time. Crazy 800+ rwhp without having to go inside the engine. For its time those engines were amazing. Still are today.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Supradedupra
Lol... this guy is comical.

I've been pushing 600+ rwhp on a stock 2JZ-GTE for a while now with no need to tear down my motor and rebuild.

Lol

He's an idiot, don't mind him.

[four o two]

Originally posted by Sax1031
And those motors(2jzgte) are fucking beasts. King of the interstate for the longest time. Crazy 800+ rwhp without having to go inside the engine. For its time those engines were amazing. Still are today.

Blach put down 936rwhp and later over 1000 with the stock rods, crank, pistons. Shortly thereafter, it exploded spontaneously on the highway cruising at 70mph and 2500rpm, proving Dave to be correct. They are grenades.

Not.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Supradedupra
Lol... this guy is comical.

I've been pushing 600+ rwhp on a stock 2JZ-GTE for a while now with no need to tear down my motor and rebuild.

Lol

How many total miles making 600 horsepower?

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by four o two
Blach put down 936rwhp and later over 1000 with the stock rods, crank, pistons. Shortly thereafter, it exploded spontaneously on the highway cruising at 70mph and 2500rpm, proving Dave to be correct. They are grenades.

Not.

936 HP with all stock internals on a 3 liter passenger car engine.
How long did it run? Basically it's a track only car from what I can find on the internet and that Peter lived in constant fear of blowing it up so when he did his next car he went with a whole custom lower end full of very expensive parts for his 1100 hp combo. Fairy-tale unfounded.

Show me the daily driving. Non-existent.

[four o two]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Show me the daily driving. Non-existent.

We already have. Guy over on SF just chimed in saying he's @ 230K miles and has been driving with a single setup for the last 60,000 miles with over 500rwhp daily.

I'm trying to get Dusty (the guy featured in that article) to chime in.

[C5 4 NOW]

Originally posted by dave1w41
936 HP with all stock internals on a 3 liter passenger car engine.
How long did it run? Basically it's a track only car from what I can find on the internet and that Peter lived in constant fear of blowing it up so when he did his next car he went with a whole custom lower end full of very expensive parts for his 1100 hp combo. Fairy-tale unfounded.

Show me the daily driving. Non-existent.

I d/d mine when the weather is nice. I even drive it during winter when the ground is dry. I bought my car when it had 58k miles on it. I went with a single turbo kit at 62k. At that point I would guess I was around 850 crank hp. I have since upgraded to a larger turbo and bigger cams and have yet to have any issues. I'm currently at 86k miles and I would guess around 1000hp or so at the flywheel. I'm making conservative guesses based on what other similar combos have made since I haven't strapped the car down to a dyno.

edit: I forgot to mention I have a/c, big sound system, and everything except the cruise/traction control (which was removed by the previous owner).

[four o two]

Moody (from SF)
Facts (from my car):

It has 60,000 miles on it, and is 12 years old.
It has been single turbo for 3 years.
I actively track the car, at 515WHP (and I don't mean dragstrip, I mean track days).
The car sees 7,500RPM, elevated oil temps, and long-durations as far as load/boost are concerned.
I can drive the car to work, run errands, etc...
The car has A/C, power steering, etc... and is a a full-interior car with leather.
The engine has nearly perfect leakdown, doesn't kill oil, and idles/drives as a stock car when not in boost.

My last car did all of these, this car does all of these, and the car afterwards (if I buy another to complement this one) will do all of those.

I've got pretty extensive experience with pushrods, owning V8 cars for years (and still have my 1970 Cutlass 442 W30), but when I say, "This motor can take the abuse, and 500WHP is nothing", I mean it. And, many (including myself) have proven it...

1A1 (from SF)
1993.5 (17 years old)
116,120 miles on it as of this morning
I hit 25psi (625whp) multiple times on the way to work this morning and sustained it to pulls upward of 140mph.

kirkMKIV (from SF)
A great example of an old school Supra making great power is my buddy Pete who is making OVER 850rwhp to this day since before 2003.

Here is his profile from 2003... motor has NEVER come out of car.
http://www.t04r.com/member.php?show=peter.ibrahim

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Oh man, all these grenades must be duds then

[Lowboost]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Oh man, all these grenades must be duds then

I guess so

2JZ's come STOCK with Forged internals. Here is a guy that I know personally named ky who currently has 194,000 miles on his BONE STOCK engine making 700+whp Daily Driven Supra on E85 pump gas. Before this set up, he had a pt67 and made 600+whp on race for a while with no issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZAHvFn3_c

Here is another guy I know personally with a Bone Stock 2JZ in a 80's z31 300zx. His name is Marc and it is daily driven and he beats on it every day and street races it multiple times a week. Here are a few videos to prove it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbFr_BW_278

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...GSX_680993.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...own_681038.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Me6...rom=PL&index=6

Here is a vid with Marc in it when he had a pt67 turbo and a built auto in his 300zx. And yes, this is still the same engine as the one he currently has. The red Supra has a BONE STOCK engine as well

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-oh_207361.htm

Here is another:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-C6_193988.htm

I know this car is not bone stock but here is to show the capability of the 2jz at its finest. Fully built engine, STOCK getrag tranny, differential, etc. Took 1st place at the Texas Mile and is faster then a Bugatti Veyron which only does around 200mph in the Mile. This is the same car that holds the fastest quarter mile record for 6 speed Supras as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6mOk...aynext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2Y8...B98134&index=1


also, my Supra makes 540whp on a bone stock engine and I have had zero problems with it as well.


To all the haters out there, stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

[Hobb3s]

Something tells me this thread made it over to the Supra board.

[four o two]

Originally posted by Hobb3s
Something tells me Dave is clueless.

[ill deuce]

Originally posted by Lowboost
Hardly the case

2JZ's come STOCK with Forged internals. Here is a guy that I know personally named ky who currently has 194,000 miles on his BONE STOCK engine making 700+whp Daily Driven Supra on E85 pump gas. Before this set up, he had a pt67 and made 600+whp on race for a while with no issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZAHvFn3_c

Here is another guy I know personally with a Bone Stock 2JZ in a 80's z31 300zx. His name is Marc and it is daily driven and he beats on it every day and street races it multiple times a week. Here are a few videos to prove it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbFr_BW_278

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...GSX_680993.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...own_681038.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Me6...rom=PL&index=6

Here is a vid with Marc in it when he had a pt67 turbo and a built auto in his 300zx. And yes, this is still the same engine as the one he currently has. The red Supra has a BONE STOCK engine as well

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-oh_207361.htm

Here is another:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-C6_193988.htm

I know this car is not bone stock but here is to show the capability of the 2jz at its finest. Fully built engine, STOCK getrag tranny, differential, etc. Took 1st place at the Texas Mile and is faster then a Bugatti Veyron which only does around 200mph in the Mile. This is the same car that holds the fastest quarter mile record for 6 speed Supras as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6mOk...aynext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2Y8...B98134&index=1


also, my Supra makes 540whp on a bone stock engine and I have had zero problems with it as well.


To all the haters out there, stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

fuck your car,how about that

[Lowboost]

Originally posted by ill deuce
fuck your car,how about that

[Sax1031]

Originally posted by Lowboost
I guess so

2JZ's come STOCK with Forged internals. Here is a guy that I know personally named ky who currently has 194,000 miles on his BONE STOCK engine making 700+whp Daily Driven Supra on E85 pump gas. Before this set up, he had a pt67 and made 600+whp on race for a while with no issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZAHvFn3_c

Here is another guy I know personally with a Bone Stock 2JZ in a 80's z31 300zx. His name is Marc and it is daily driven and he beats on it every day and street races it multiple times a week. Here are a few videos to prove it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbFr_BW_278

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...GSX_680993.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...own_681038.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Me6...rom=PL&index=6

Here is a vid with Marc in it when he had a pt67 turbo and a built auto in his 300zx. And yes, this is still the same engine as the one he currently has. The red Supra has a BONE STOCK engine as well

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-oh_207361.htm

Here is another:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...-C6_193988.htm

I know this car is not bone stock but here is to show the capability of the 2jz at its finest. Fully built engine, STOCK getrag tranny, differential, etc. Took 1st place at the Texas Mile and is faster then a Bugatti Veyron which only does around 200mph in the Mile. This is the same car that holds the fastest quarter mile record for 6 speed Supras as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6mOk...aynext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2Y8...B98134&index=1


also, my Supra makes 540whp on a bone stock engine and I have had zero problems with it as well.


To all the haters out there, stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

[FastTurbo]

530whp/500tq so 600whp at the motor for 60,000 miles here on my old car. Motor didn't burn a drop of oil or coolant and was daily driven in all seasons minus winter/rain.

[Kata Skopos]

what kind of power can you get from stock internal/turbo supras?

[FastTurbo]

Originally posted by Kata Skopos
what kind of power can you get from stock internal/turbo supras?

450-475whp on stock twins...some less some more.


I put down 420whp with my stock twins with just a downpipe, exhaust, boost cut controller and a .50 cent home made boost controller Went 12.9@118mph on 18" wheels/tires.

[Immortal]

Originally posted by Kata Skopos
what kind of power can you get from stock internal/turbo supras?

a couple have made over 1000rwhp, but thats just on a dyno, it wont last on the street.

800-850rwhp is about the max you should push it.

[Kata Skopos]

no, i mean with the stock turbos. sorry

[Lowboost]

Originally posted by FastTurbo
450-475whp on stock twins...some less some more.

He is right. But to get that kind of power on the stock twins, you will need racegas to get there.

[skibum]

*Waits for Dave to come in a claim all the supra guys are lying*

[Sax1031]

Originally posted by skibum
*Waits for Dave to come in a claim all the supra guys are lying*

Where did dave go?

[skibum]

Originally posted by Sax1031
Where did dave go?

probably looking for one single example of an engine blowing up so he can claim hes right, toyota's are crap and the only worthwhile cars are from GM. lol

[four o two]

I just get tired of his rhetoric. OK, fine, you're not a fan of imports, you hate the GT-R, etc. Fine. But going around spouting total bullcrap and making it painfully apparent that you have no idea what you're talking about, that your hate for anything from across the Pacific is so strong it biases everything you say, yeah sorry... I gotta shut you down on that one.

[Sax1031]

Originally posted by four o two
I just get tired of his rhetoric. OK, fine, you're not a fan of imports, you hate the GT-R, etc. Fine. But going around spouting total bullcrap and making it painfully apparent that you have no idea what you're talking about, that your hate for anything from across the Pacific is so strong it biases everything you say, yeah sorry... I gotta shut you down on that one.

Describes most die hard GM nuts.

[RanGer498]

GOOD thing we dont hide when call out guys and gals
Feel free to come to our NE SUPRA Meet and see for yourself some nice SUPRAS with high's that are daily driven ....


click here for link to NE SUPRA meet that will be held in Nj on June 13 2009

[RanGer498]

ps: I dout Dusty will chime in he has more important things to do like run his business MVP motorsports.

HIS car is already proven time and time again at the meets and events it performs at .

[chromemaro]

wow

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Immortal
a couple have made over 1000rwhp, but thats just on a dyno, it wont last on the street.

800-850rwhp is about the max you should push it.

These guys are saying you can daily-drive a 1300 HP 2JZGTE. What? You can't? What the fuck?

I don't think Immortal has ever agreed with me on anything. There's always a first.

I've seen a lot of cars run on tracks/dynos but I've seen no daily drivers here.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by FastTurbo
450-475whp on stock twins...some less some more.


I put down 420whp with my stock twins with just a downpipe, exhaust, boost cut controller and a .50 cent home made boost controller Went 12.9@118mph on 18" wheels/tires.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by four o two
I just get tired of his rhetoric. OK, fine, you're not a fan of imports, you hate the GT-R, etc. Fine. But going around spouting total bullcrap and making it painfully apparent that you have no idea what you're talking about, that your hate for anything from across the Pacific is so strong it biases everything you say, yeah sorry... I gotta shut you down on that one.

No one at Toyota has come up with a system that suspends the laws of physics. There are no daily-driver stock-bottom-end 1200 Horsepower engines like this that run 100,000 miles. You haven't found one yet.

I am duly impressed by the setup Marc Evans has but I don't for a minute believe that he's driving it across the country with the horsepower setting at 1000. It's not happening.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Sax1031
Describes most die hard GM nuts.

I never said GM's were better. I simply said no one at Toyota has yet suspended the laws of physics and there's no one driving around in a 1000 horsepower supra and getting more than 10,000 miles out of it. No way, No how. They have a 1000 Hp supra for 20 seconds and then they have a 400 horsepower Supra.

[four o two]

Originally posted by dave1w41
These guys are saying you can daily-drive a 1300 HP 2JZGTE. What? You can't? What the fuck?

I don't think Immortal has ever agreed with me on anything. There's always a first.

I've seen a lot of cars run on tracks/dynos but I've seen no daily drivers here.

He's talking about daily driving 1000hp on stock internals, Einstein. 800-850 is the max "daily driver" amount of power you want to push with stock internals.

[Cobra Commander]

The question is how often and for how long do people push them. There are a lot of high HP cars that dyno something ridiculous and then get grandma'ed around for the rest of their life.

I respect the Supra (or any car) guys that daily drive and put passes on them.

[Sax1031]

Originally posted by dave1w41
I never said GM's were better. I simply said no one at Toyota has yet suspended the laws of physics and there's no one driving around in a 1000 horsepower supra and getting more than 10,000 miles out of it. No way, No how. They have a 1000 Hp supra for 20 seconds and then they have a 400 horsepower Supra.

850rwhp, or the max you should push it, for street use makes the supra a 1000hp car. Of course that is using ~15% drivetrain loss in the numbers.

[Romulus]

Originally posted by Lowboost

I know this car is not bone stock but here is to show the capability of the 2jz at its finest. Fully built engine, STOCK getrag tranny, differential, etc. Took 1st place at the Texas Mile and is faster then a Bugatti Veyron which only does around 200mph in the Mile. This is the same car that holds the fastest quarter mile record for 6 speed Supras as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6mOk...aynext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2Y8...B98134&index=1

Disclaimer: I like supras.. I'll never own one because I think they are over priced, but I do like them..

That being said, I think anything remotely linked to SW should be more of an idea of what can be done when unlimited money is thrown at it rather than the virtue of the parts themselves

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by four o two
He's talking about daily driving 1000hp on stock internals, Einstein. 800-850 is the max "daily driver" amount of power you want to push with stock internals.

Really? Because that's exactly what I've been saying since my first post. But you wanted an argument so badly you made one up.

[skibum]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Really? Because that's exactly what I've been saying since my first post. But you wanted an argument so badly you made one up.

He said 800-850RWHP and you agreed to that. So quick... Dave... figure a 20% drivetrain loss... tell me what you get. Here is a hint... its a 4 digit number of HP.

[Sax1031]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Really? Because that's exactly what I've been saying since my first post. But you wanted an argument so badly you made one up.

No you agreed with immortal that 800-850rwhp was the max for daily use.

Using a 15% loss in the drivetrain at 850rwhp makes the Supra a 1000hp car.

Not that hard to understand. Take the GM blinders off.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by RanGer498
GOOD thing we dont hide when call out guys and gals
Feel free to come to our NE SUPRA Meet and see for yourself some nice SUPRAS with high's that are daily driven ....


click here for link to NE SUPRA meet that will be held in Nj on June 13 2009

Hmm, I just might make it this time around

[Cobra Commander]

I think what he was trying to say was in relation to how you drive them.

You can't beat up on an 850 rwhp stock internal car like a taxi driver does with a stock Caprice and expect it to last 100,000 miles.