I don't care what people say, the Pontiac G8 GT is crap.

[Verbs]

I don't get the hype. It's heavier, slower, and the interior isn't nicer than the GTO, and it costs more? That's a lot of money for 2 extra doors. It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.

What's so special about this thing?

[gmendoza]

Because it's ...
:new:


:shrug:

[Rob Almighty]

Honestly, I think the hype is because it's a RWD sedan with a good powerplant. Since this is the first time they've done something like this in a long, long, time, they have the GM fanatics foaming at the mouth.

I agree. While I think the exterior design is the best Pontiac has ever done for a sedan, that doesn't say much to me. The interior is a step back from the GTO, which has, to this day, the finest interior any GM vehicle has ever seen.

Lastly, the simple fact is it's affordable to most of the target audience. It gives those who can never afford performance sedans like the BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz AMG sedans, or even the Cadillac CTS-V a taste of what it's like to have a sedan with some luxury (though I use that term loosely for the G8) and pep. Clearly, this is going to start a shit storm, because you're not allowed to talk about that...but it's the truth. The first thing people mention about this sedan his how nice it is and how it's far better in terms of overall build quality and luxuries than any other car of its kind...but when you talk about how nice a Mercedes interior is, you're a shallow whore that only wants to show off how much money you make.

Catch 22, broseph.

[carpenter]

Originally posted by vyrbs
I don't get the hype. It's heavier, slower, and the interior isn't nicer than the GTO, and it costs more? That's a lot of money for 2 extra doors. It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.

What's so special about this thing?

Most poeple love the look of it. It's a 4 DOOR car that has an aggressive sporty look. It is fairly quick and offers plenty of room. Interior is indeed lackluster. Why are you trying to compare it to a 2 door?

IMO the GTO while having a beautiful interior, the exterior styling looks like shit.

and what is the sticker price on a 2006 GTO and how much were morons paying on markup for these things when they came out?

[Jack Daniels]

Haven't seen the interior in person. The exterior could have been done a little better IMO. I prefer the smooth lines of the GTO over the harder edges of the G8. And hood scoops? No thank you. All that said, if I were in the market for a 4 door performance sedan, I'd give it a good hard look.

[WCFields]

Originally posted by carpenter


and what is the sticker price on a 2006 GTO and how much were morons paying on markup for these things when they came out? Probably the same stupid markups a few dealers are asking for the G8. :lol:

[XLR8TOR]

Originally posted by vyrbs
I don't get the hype. It's heavier, slower, and the interior isn't nicer than the GTO, and it costs more? That's a lot of money for 2 extra doors. It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.

What's so special about this thing?

Didn't the LS2 GTO sticker for about the same as a base GT?

[carpenter]

Originally posted by XLR8TOR
Didn't the LS2 GTO sticker for about the same as a base GT?

more. $31,290...and that was 2 years ago.

[XLR8TOR]

Originally posted by carpenter
more. $31,290...and that was 18 months ago.

That's what I thought. If it had the G8's styling they might still be making it. I didn't buy one because of the styling.

[Big Block Stingray]

Quick, sporty, 4door w/ a V8 under $30,000.... what's not to like???? :confused:

[carpenter]

Originally posted by XLR8TOR
That's what I thought. If it had the G8's styling they might still be making it. I didn't buy one because of the styling.

same here and with many other people as well. I believe even Lutz admitted they were too late with the GTO's styling.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by carpenter
Most poeple love the look of it. It's a 4 DOOR car that has an aggressive sporty look. It is fairly quick and offers plenty of room. Interior is indeed lackluster.
That pretty much sums it up for me, plus the fact that it's rwd. I could deal with the interior.

[XLR8TOR]

Originally posted by carpenter
same here and with many other people as well. I believe even Lutz admitted they were too late with the GTO's styling.

SAP grilles should have been standard from the beginning... or some HSV styling.

[Verbs]

Originally posted by Big Block Stingray
Quick, sporty, 4door w/ a V8 under $30,000.... what's not to like???? :confused: I thought I clarified that in post 1.

[carpenter]

Originally posted by vyrbs
I thought I clarified that in post 1.

you also clarified that is was more expensive than a GTO and it's not, even 2 years later the MSRP is less on a 2008 G8 than a 2006 GTO.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
Honestly, I think the hype is because it's a RWD sedan with a good powerplant. Since this is the first time they've done something like this in a long, long, time, they have the GM fanatics foaming at the mouth.

I agree. While I think the exterior design is the best Pontiac has ever done for a sedan, that doesn't say much to me. The interior is a step back from the GTO, which has, to this day, the finest interior any GM vehicle has ever seen.

Lastly, the simple fact is it's affordable to most of the target audience. It gives those who can never afford performance sedans like the BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz AMG sedans, or even the Cadillac CTS-V a taste of what it's like to have a sedan with some luxury (though I use that term loosely for the G8) and pep. Clearly, this is going to start a shit storm, because you're not allowed to talk about that...but it's the truth. The first thing people mention about this sedan his how nice it is and how it's far better in terms of overall build quality and luxuries than any other car of its kind...but when you talk about how nice a Mercedes interior is, you're a shallow whore that only wants to show off how much money you make.

Catch 22, broseph.

rob ftw :bwahaha:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by vyrbs
I don't get the hype. It's heavier, slower, and the interior isn't nicer than the GTO, and it costs more? That's a lot of money for 2 extra doors. It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.

What's so special about this thing?

name other cars that offers the same features/performance as the G8 for the same price:

charger
...???

its cheaper and I would argue better than the charger, everything else that you get that is that large and has the same speed costs much much more

the only part of the interior that makes it not as good as the GTO is that they plastic in the GTO is kinda spongee while the G8 is pretty much hard/no sponge

[Quadcammer]

on the contrary ern. I think its a decent car. Im not going to be buying one (shocker to you all, im sure), but it looks pretty good (the back end is a little uninspiring to me), and the interior design is good (not sure about materials). Price is fine.

Its a fine automobile, just not one that really fits my needs.

[Nick7810]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
The interior is a step back from the GTO, which has, to this day, the finest interior any GM vehicle has ever seen.

.

Not nicer than this.....

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l125/bosanac3/ncts8.jpg

[Nick7810]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
The first thing people mention about this sedan his how nice it is and how it's far better in terms of overall build quality and luxuries than any other car of its kind...but when you talk about how nice a Mercedes interior is, you're a shallow whore that only wants to show off how much money you make.

Catch 22, broseph.

I always imagine people buying this car because of the performance it offers. I would buy the G8 because of that but if I was looking for build quality, nice interior etc. I would just look at a car like the new CTS which is only ~2-3K more, entry level.

[tyman]

Low-mid 13's for a 4000# curb weight car is slow? :haha:



And because its heavier, a hair slower and the interior isnt as nice as a discontinued car....its automatically crap?


lmfao...wow...:Picard:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by #88
I always imagine people buying this car because of the performance it offers.

eh. it's got decent performance; decent looks; decent interior; is a big 4 door with lots of space; and has a reasonable price. i think all those factors are why someone would buy one. i don't see someone buying it solely for performance.

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by vyrbs
I don't get the hype. It's heavier, slower, and the interior isn't nicer than the GTO, and it costs more? That's a lot of money for 2 extra doors. It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.

What's so special about this thing?

Of course it's heavier, it's a sedan. It's the most powerful car under $30k with good looks too. There's really no comparison to the GTO in my eyes. The G8 actually has me considering it whereas I saw the GTO as a joke. Also, the new 6sp is lightyears ahead of the 60e in the GTO

[kasim]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
eh. it's got decent performance; decent looks; decent interior; is a big 4 door with lots of space; and has a reasonable price. i think all those factors are why someone would buy one. i don't see someone buying it solely for performance.

:lol: in fairness you can also afford a higher priced car.

Let me ask you, if the car you could afford was max at $35k ... which would be the max for MANNYYYY americans ... would you like it more?

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by kasim
:lol: in fairness you can also afford a higher priced car.

Let me ask you, if the car you could afford was max at $35k ... which would be the max for MANNYYYY americans ... would you like it more?

G8 or a fucking accord. LOL.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by vyrbs
It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.



yeah , whatever

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2372011080_011dc42e0a.jpg

[kasim]

Originally posted by GMCtrk
G8 or a fucking accord. LOL.

Exactly.

Its always a trade off. A Top of a line accord has more features but slower.

This car has a descent amount of features. An i think verbs.rob have a point that there is OVER excitement cause its GM. I mean if htat interior came out in an accord we'd be like ... eh ok. Its just the first time they balanced a package well.

but btw .... i think the new two door accord is ok.

but that 4 door is just as fugly as can be. My granddad got a good deal on the 07 since the 08s are coming out, he was worried at first in case he might like the 08s. I showed him some pics of one and he was like .... good thing i bought that instead.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by GMCtrk
G8 or a fucking accord. LOL.

what's funny is that the v6 accord is only a bit slower in the 1/4 :rotfl:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by kasim
:lol: in fairness you can also afford a higher priced car.

Let me ask you, if the car you could afford was max at $35k ... which would be the max for MANNYYYY americans ... would you like it more?

i already like it :think:

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
what's funny is that the v6 accord is only a bit slower in the 1/4 :rotfl:

What's more funny is you consider a full second difference "a bit".

The car is a better performer than any other FWD family sedan out there. It's meant to be a poor man's M5, which in years past many car mags did comparo's against Holden Commodore's, and the Holden's were quite competitive for half the cost.

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
what's funny is that the v6 accord is only a bit slower in the 1/4 :rotfl:

huh?

[kasim]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
i already like it :think:

Damnit you and your stupid name change.

I thought i was responding to Rob!

[kasim]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
What's more funny is you consider a full second difference "a bit".

The car is a better performer than any other FWD family sedan out there. It's meant to be a poor man's M5, which in years past many car mags did comparo's against Holden Commodore's, and the Holden's were quite competitive for half the cost.

Don't M5's have nav and bluetooth :D

[Gravy Train]

Woah woah woah there... I wouldn't go so far as to compare this car with the M5, not even the E39. The GXP might put up comparable numbers, but the only category in which the GT compares with the E39 M5 is the 1320.

I'm actually thinking of a cheaper car for myself after the STS-V goes, and the G8 might be one of them, but if the interior disappoints me compared to the outgoing (2004-2007) CTS-V, I'm going to stick with a Caddy.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
What's more funny is you consider a full second difference "a bit".

The car is a better performer than any other FWD family sedan out there. It's meant to be a poor man's M5, which in years past many car mags did comparo's against Holden Commodore's, and the Holden's were quite competitive for half the cost.

recent car and driver (i think) that i read at the dentist's office: 14.0 @ 103 for the accord v6. what did those yokels run with a g8gt? 13.8? that's not exactly a second difference :boggled:

[NoRiceInside]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
recent car and driver (i think) that i read at the dentist's office: 14.0 @ 103 for the accord v6. what did those yokels run with a g8gt? 13.8? that's not exactly a second difference :boggled: but, but it ran a 13.5 at atco :lol:

[FlagSStaff]

Originally posted by carpenter
and what is the sticker price on a 2006 GTO and how much were morons paying on markup for these things when they came out?

The dealer here in Tucson has NO markup...

[SphyNxXx]

The G8 is a great car. Its not intended to compete with M5, etc so don't compare the interior to one. I would put the G8 against cars like Maximas and Avalons rather than BMWs or Mercedes. I recently drove an 05 Avalon that my dad was looking at and it was nothing to write home about.

[CT Morgan]

For its price point I think this is a great offering from GM. It is actually looks good. I MUCH prefer the looks of this vehicle to the boring GTO.

I can't speak to its interior quality, but it's hard to imagine that it's "great" at this price point. That's asking a lot! "Good" with a well thought out design is what I would hope to see.

[tyman]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
For its price point I think this is a great offering from GM. It is actually looks good. I MUCH prefer the looks of this vehicle to the boring GTO.



I agree completely.

[Marklar]

I dont necessarily agre with Rob and I'm one of the BMW nuthuggers (having owned a couple).
The G8 is an impressive car for the money. No other car in it's pricerange offers the same performance and .....damn it's got good looks. Everytime i look at the car i think M3. I dont know who to credit for that but somewhere, someone designed the G8 while comparing it to an M3 bodystyle in their peripheral vision, no question in my mind. I see the M3 fender-tag on a lot of cars this year..totally M3-based. Nuthugging complete - i'd rather have an M3.

BUT...this thing is half the price.
Half.
It looks so aggressive and sinister i cant imagine how sexy the GXP will be. Yeah the interior can use some cues from BMW but a loaded G8 MSRP's for less than a BASE 3-series. Its simply not an apples-apples comparison.

I wont pay that for a BMW these days though...at least not in a new car. As soon as you plop a 335i used in front of a new G8, I'm taking the bimmer all day long.

The G8 is an AWESOME car for the price..probably th best bang for buck available. Could it be better? Yeah. Will it? I'm certain once GM gets their heads out of their asses and deliver the options americans demand (navigation, cold weather packages) they will become more popular.

I'd rather have a G8 than any other acr in the $32K pricerange. Onec you step it up to $38-$42K though - you're in german territory and you blow past GM by a mile..even considering the CTS.

No car on the road can compete with $40K+ worth of BMW IMO..not Lexus, Mercedes, Acura or GM. Below that mark, there's room for competition.

I'm still a G8 fan..I love that bodystyle. Its the interior i expect more out of...i just have to tell myself over and over again that it's worth it...even though i honestly believe its a car more suited to $24,999 with a year's worth of wear on the odometer.

[Macky Sasser]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
what's funny is that the v6 accord is only a bit slower in the 1/4 :rotfl:

Yes because lots of Accord are running close to low 13s?

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by marklar
I'd rather have a G8 than any other acr in the $32K pricerange. Onec you step it up to $38-$42K though - you're in german territory and you blow past GM by a mile..even considering the CTS.

I don't think so. The German offerings for $38-$42K are still pretty limited. That's prime territory for the Japanese and even CTS--all with equipment that demands much more $$ from the Euro marques. Otherwise you gotsta step yo' game up.


No car on the road can compete with $40K+ worth of BMW IMO..not Lexus, Mercedes, Acura or GM. Below that mark, there's room for competition.

http://www.doubledeez.net/funney/holdonnigga.gif

[Heracles]

Hmm, lets see- better looks than the GTO, its a Sedan (taken more seriously for every day use) and did I say it is a really damn good looking car? :cool:

Oh...also with a tune these babys are low 13s @ 105+ mph.

If you can do better w/30K brand new, more power to ya!

I seen one in white at the local pontiac dealership, it is such a damn sweet exciting looking car...almost as exciting when the last gen WS6s were coming out..:cool:

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by vyrbs
I don't get the hype. It's heavier, slower, and the interior isn't nicer than the GTO, and it costs more? That's a lot of money for 2 extra doors. It looks like they took all the left over Grand Prix/Grand Am/GTO parts left in the shop to make this car.
What's so special about this thing?

How many sets of golfclubs can you fit in the trunk of a GTO ?

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Macky Sasser
Yes because lots of Accord are running close to low 13s?

But brah, if you take the best time an Accord ran, and the worst time a G8 ran, it's only 2 tenths difference. Obviously that's a fair representation of both cars. I mean who really expects a car with a 100 whp advantage with RWD, and a 250lb weight disadvantage to actually be quicker?

[mrgto]

This thread is so moronic.....

[BishopSS]

Just put a bow-tie on it and I'll be happy with the craptastic interior and the lack of buttons.

I'm looking for an updated version of my 95 Impala SS :mad:

[PacerX]

WTF is up with the BMW interior nuthugging?

Has BMW put an interior in a car lately that ISN'T a gigantic field of black or grey plastic?

And talk about terrible seats... hard as a rock...

Oh, and to top it all off:

"standard leatherette upholstery"

Otherwise known as VINYL.

Yougottabefuckingkiddingme.

$40,000 car with VINYL????

[kasim]

Originally posted by HSV-GTS-300
How many sets of golf balls can you fit in the trunk of a GTO ?

Fixed :D

... btw .. that really was one of the biggest killers for me with the GTO. I ALMOST got one but heck i dont even think i'd be able to fit my bags i take for the day into that trunk

[2002BLueWs6]

Having owned an E39 M5 and an 05 GTO, I think I'm qualified to say that the G8 is indeed very impressive. I went and drove a loaded G8 GT last week and came away extremely impressed. I'm amazed that GM is able to produce a vehicle of this calibur for under 30k..

Serisouly most of you guys are in here bashing a car you haven't even driven or sat in. Do yourselves a favor and go DRIVE the G8 before making idiotic statements:rolleyes:

[cm_ls1]

i think verbs vyrbs whatever figured he would get a lot of attention if he made this topic - and guess what :)

[redline]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i think verbs vyrbs whatever figured he would get a lot of attention if he made this topic - and guess what :)

I think you might be on to something. :hmm:

[Marklar]

Originally posted by redline
I think you might be on to something. :hmm:

he usually says something controversial and lets the thread blow up never to return..or return after it dies down, then says something else to spark it back up again. ;)

[Verbs]

Originally posted by carpenter
you also clarified that is was more expensive than a GTO and it's not, even 2 years later the MSRP is less on a 2008 G8 than a 2006 GTO. Base MSRP you are correct; I was looking at fully loaded MSRP which is more for the G8 from what I read. I could be wrong. :dunno:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by PacerX
WTF is up with the BMW interior nuthugging?

Has BMW put an interior in a car lately that ISN'T a gigantic field of black or grey plastic?

And talk about terrible seats... hard as a rock...

Oh, and to top it all off:

"standard leatherette upholstery"

Otherwise known as VINYL.

Yougottabefuckingkiddingme.

$40,000 car with VINYL????

who nutshugs bmw interiors? :think: i constantly insult them. lexus and mb know how it's done.

and, scarily enough, the new CTS shows that at least one team working for gm knows as well :o

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by PacerX
WTF is up with the BMW interior nuthugging?

Has BMW put an interior in a car lately that ISN'T a gigantic field of black or grey plastic?

And talk about terrible seats... hard as a rock...

Oh, and to top it all off:

"standard leatherette upholstery"

Otherwise known as VINYL.

Yougottabefuckingkiddingme.

$40,000 car with VINYL????

Well I guess one can't instill an air of superiority over the peons driving a mere Poncho. Some folks need their egos fed by others...

[Verbs]

Originally posted by GMCtrk
G8 or a fucking accord. LOL. For that price I'd also consider a Mitsubishi Evo X and a Caddy CTS among a few others....

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Macky Sasser
Yes because lots of Accord are running close to low 13s?

and where are the lots of STOCK g8gt's running close to low 13's? :think:

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by vyrbs
For that price I'd also consider a Mitsubishi Evo X and a Caddy CTS among a few others....

A boy racer mobile? That doesn't exactly exude high class.

[Verbs]

Originally posted by Macky Sasser
Yes because lots of Accord are running close to low 13s? Oh come on, if the Accord ran on the same day it as the G8 I'm sure it would have hit high 13s. High 13s compared to mid 13s isn't that big of a gap.

[Jeffro]

It's not more expensive than the GTO. It's actually less expensive than the 2006 GTO was.

I'd like to say something about the GTO interior. While it's design was great, the materials were just as bad or worse than other GM cars. I've seen countless GTOs with the rear seat leather that was seperating at the seams. The silver tape on the steering wheels that peels off. Silver tape on the shifter that peels off, sunshades that use plastic supports that get brittle after a couple of years. The GTO had great seats and interior layout but that's about it.

[byebyebye]

I have driven a lot of cars, including the G8, GTO, and 335. That being said, the G8 is great for what it is. A sedan with enough performance to satisfy an enthusiast while commuting to work or hauling the family.

The interior is more than acceptable, the dimensions seem to be just right, it has a usable trunk, and the ride and handling is pretty impressive.

If you guys want to make comparisons, think more along the lines of Charger or G35, maybe 3 series. Those seem to be the ones I have heard mentioned from the consumers looking at them.

Comparing these to a M5 :Picard:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by aliwantsnss
I have driven a lot of cars, including the G8, GTO, and 335. That being said, the G8 is great for what it is. A sedan with enough performance to satisfy an enthusiast while commuting to work or hauling the family.

The interior is more than acceptable, the dimensions seem to be just right, it has a usable trunk, and the ride and handling is pretty impressive.

If you guys want to make comparisons, think more along the lines of Charger or G35, maybe 3 series. Those seem to be the ones I have heard mentioned from the consumers looking at them.

Comparing these to a M5 :Picard:

yeah. the M5 has 500hp, runs 120mph trap speeds (since we're using the G8GT's best times in here, we might as well use the BMW's), has a SMG gearbox, and would utterly annihilate a G8GT on any track. of course, for 3x the price, it better :lol:

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
A boy racer mobile? That doesn't exactly exude high class.

neither does a G8

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
neither does a G8

For the price point - it does.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
For the price point - it does.

no it doesn't. a G8 is every bit as classless as an EVO or STi. :sorry:

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
For the price point - it does.

I can't agree with you there.

Pontiac typically doesn't relate to class at any price point.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
no it doesn't. a G8 is every bit as classless as an EVO or STi. :sorry:

its just as bad as an 86 Tercel!!

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
no it doesn't. a G8 is every bit as classless as an EVO or STi. :sorry:

It's not nearly as boy racer as the other two. :dunno:

Classy would be a stretch though.

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
I can't agree with you there.

Pontiac typically doesn't relate to class at any price point.

I'll freely admit it's scraping the bottom of the barrel in that regards, but when compared to the aforementioned boy racer Evo/STI? Please.

Cadillac would be considered the bare minimum as far as luxury vehicles go from GM's offering.

[Bird of Fire]

Treed on the boy racer! :ripped:

[Jeffro]

I don't think the G8 is classy but that's not the image that this car is supposed to have. It's supposed to a nice midsize sedan with some muscle to it. One that your average person can afford.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
I can't agree with you there.

Pontiac typically doesn't relate to class at any price point.

Depends on who you ask, if you ask people that buy $70k cars, then they will say no, thus why they would never buy a $70k Pontiac and thus why there is no $70k Pontiac. If you ask people that buy $30k cars, they will probably say it has some class. If you ask people that buy $12k cars, they will also probably say it has some class. For how smart some of you guys are (or claim to be) you seem to lack the capability to see from other points of view.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Depends on who you ask, if you ask people that buy $70k cars, then they will say no, thus why they would never buy a $70k Pontiac and thus why there is no $70k Pontiac. If you ask people that buy $30k cars, they will probably say it has some class. If you ask people that buy $12k cars, they will also probably say it has some class. For how smart some of you guys are (or claim to be) you seem to lack the capability to see from other points of view.

its not that i lack the capability, i just disagree with you.

I think a person shopping in the 30k range will think a toyota, acura, or honda is classy. They may also think the low end Audi A4 is classy. Pontiac's brand image has never been about class, so i don't believe that the invokes those kinds of emotions.

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
its not that i lack the capability, i just disagree with you.

I think a person shopping in the 30k range will think a toyota, acura, or honda is classy. They may also think the low end Audi A4 is classy. Pontiac's brand image has never been about class, so i don't believe that the invokes those kinds of emotions.

You are right to an extent. Pontiac has always been the fun/excitement lineup.

But if you put it next to an EVO....it's not really a contest. Sure it becomes a lesser of two evils argument in your opinion, such as which is a better beer: Busch or Rolling Rock. So while not classy in the grand scheme of things, in regards to its competition, it's the least classless you could say :o

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
It's not nearly as boy racer as the other two. :dunno:

Classy would be a stretch though.

thats kind of like saying that a stripper is classier than a hooker :rotfl:

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
thats kind of like saying that a stripper is classier than a hooker :rotfl:

What kind of stripper are we talking about here? Topless, fully nude, or those rip off pastie wearing hos that aren't technically naked. :hmm:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Depends on who you ask, if you ask people that buy $70k cars, then they will say no, thus why they would never buy a $70k Pontiac and thus why there is no $70k Pontiac. If you ask people that buy $30k cars, they will probably say it has some class. If you ask people that buy $12k cars, they will also probably say it has some class. For how smart some of you guys are (or claim to be) you seem to lack the capability to see from other points of view.

like my esteemed colleague oliver, i just disagree with you.

a base, no option CTS can be called classy by someone purchasing a lower $30k range car. not a pontiac. the same goes for an is250 or 328.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
its not that i lack the capability, i just disagree with you.

I think a person shopping in the 30k range will think a toyota, acura, or honda is classy. They may also think the low end Audi A4 is classy. Pontiac's brand image has never been about class, so i don't believe that the invokes those kinds of emotions.

I know I could show the G8 GT to many people that arn't obsessed with cars like we all are, so they likely wouldn't even know the brand/model (which is a good majority of people it seems from my experience) and I bet many would think there would be some class to it. Most people think of class/luxury as an Audi A4, so its not that hard to impress the unwashed masses. The whole idea of 'class' is something that is personal and not absolute, what is classy to someone can be completely unacceptable to another.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
like my esteemed colleague oliver, i just disagree with you.

a base, no option CTS can be called classy by someone purchasing a lower $30k range car. not a pontiac. the same goes for an is250 or 328.

Seeing how many people have thought the GTO is classy, my experiences give evidence otherwise.

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
neither does a G8

I'm not saying it's a luxury car by any stretch, but I'd say it does more than the Evo. Give it the test - a salesperson is taking you out to lunch. He pulls up in a harsh riding Evo or a G8. Which do you think is a more fitting vehicle for the purpose?

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
thats kind of like saying that a stripper is classier than a hooker :rotfl:

Well I've "dated" a stripper or two and I've never been with a hooker so I'm okay with that. :D LOL.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I don't think the G8 is classy but that's not the image that this car is supposed to have. It's supposed to a nice midsize sedan with some muscle to it. One that your average person can afford.

Agreed.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Seeing how many people have thought the GTO is classy, my experiences give evidence otherwise.

is a grand prix classy?

[shuck]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i think verbs vyrbs whatever figured he would get a lot of attention if he made this topic - and guess what :)

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
I'm not saying it's a luxury car by any stretch, but I'd say it does more than the Evo. Give it the test - a salesperson is taking you out to lunch. He pulls up in a harsh riding Evo or a G8. Which do you think is a more fitting vehicle for the purpose?

if he were a salesperson who routinely drives clients around, i'd think he was a complete dumbass for not spending a few extra bucks on a CTS, which is a MUCH more fitting vehicle for this purpose. ;)

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I don't think the G8 is classy but that's not the image that this car is supposed to have. It's supposed to a nice midsize sedan with some muscle to it. One that your average person can afford. It amazes me the bitching and moaning over this car.........the car is exactly as you say and they did a pretty good job. I sat in on this weekend, didn't get a chance to drive and overall thought it was a nice car. The things I didn't like can be fixed for the most part

Horrible wheels, Give me a decent set of 17's.
Not to hot on the leather, just seemed wierd.........and to dark inside. But the red inserts should fix that. Exhaust is offensively quite. Catback anyone....and the tuning/tranny shifting is being dealt with by the afermarket. Rice tails..........exchange for base cars no prob.

Somebody even found a solution to the the :cry: nav pussies :mad:

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
yeah. the M5 has 500hp, runs 120mph trap speeds (since we're using the G8GT's best times in here, we might as well use the BMW's), has a SMG gearbox, and would utterly annihilate a G8GT on any track. of course, for 3x the price, it better :lol:

Since we want to compare the G8 and M5 I will play..... the Bentley Continential GT has better interior, more power and more luxury and more prestige than the M5 so the M5 is nothing impressive.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
You are right to an extent. Pontiac has always been the fun/excitement lineup.

But if you put it next to an EVO....it's not really a contest. Sure it becomes a lesser of two evils argument in your opinion, such as which is a better beer: Busch or Rolling Rock. So while not classy in the grand scheme of things, in regards to its competition, it's the least classless you could say :o

i agree totally about the evo, and I was not making that comparison.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
I'm not saying it's a luxury car by any stretch, but I'd say it does more than the Evo. Give it the test - a salesperson is taking you out to lunch. He pulls up in a harsh riding Evo or a G8. Which do you think is a more fitting vehicle for the purpose?
im not arguing that an evo is classy. its not.

Im not doing a relative comparison, im just saying I don't think either really is viewed as classy

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by shuck
Since we want to compare the G8 and M5 I will play..... the Bentley Continential GT has better interior, more power and more luxury and more prestige than the M5 so the M5 is nothing impressive.

Yeah, I don't know how the hell one could even start with M5/G8 comparison. :boggled:

[byebyebye]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
is a grand prix classy?
NO but my new Malibu is :wall:

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i think verbs vyrbs whatever figured he would get a lot of attention if he made this topic - and guess what :)
lol Exactly why I made gave my opinion on the car and left it at that. It's generated some conversation though. :D I think that's t a good thing because, aside from the occassional GT-R spat, it's been pretty dead around here.

I am a big fan of the G8 GT but it doesn't strike me as classy. I don't necessarily see that as a knock against the car and I think others are saying the same thing.

[tyman]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Seeing how many people have thought the GTO is classy, my experiences give evidence otherwise.

Could you point those people out? I'd like to know who not to ever talk to for fear of becoming more retarded by association.

[Verbs]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
Pontiac has always been the fun/excitement lineup. Before the GTO came out, going back to the 80s and 90s, name some products that Pontiac put out that were more "fun and exciting" than anything Chevy had to offer at the same time?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by shuck
Since we want to compare the G8 and M5 I will play..... the Bentley Continential GT has better interior, more power and more luxury and more prestige than the M5 so the M5 is nothing impressive.

if you removed the fact that the M5 destroys the GT in every single performance category, i'd agree with you ;) the M5 is 1/2 the price and has much better performance :shrug:

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by vyrbs
Before the GTO came out, going back to the 80s and 90s, name some products that Pontiac put out that were more "fun and exciting" than anything Chevy had to offer at the same time?

Turbo TA... if you're going back to the 80's. LOL.

Keep in mind that GM sells that Pontiac excitement line. ;)

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
if he were a salesperson who routinely drives clients around, i'd think he was a complete dumbass for not spending a few extra bucks on a CTS, which is a MUCH more fitting vehicle for this purpose. ;)
Maybe he likes to have a quick car, and sacrifices some comfort for performance?

The salespeople who court me typically drive fairly generic cars, either company car Imapalas/Taurii, average sedans like Accords, Chargers, Acura TL's, or SUV's like Jeep GCs or Tahoes. A G8 would be suitable, but I'd raise an eyebrow at an Evo/STi (especially the previous models) coming around. Generally in technical sales, like residential real estate, you want to strike a balance between class/comfort, and not be overly ostentatious. No one wants the person selling them a house to look like they take overly excessive commissions to cover their S-class.

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by vyrbs
Before the GTO came out, going back to the 80s and 90s, name some products that Pontiac put out that were more "fun and exciting" than anything Chevy had to offer at the same time?

Meh. 80's and 90's (non fbody aside) were a dark time for performance across the board.

Ever since the wheels were moved outboard at the request of Knudsen, and the "Wide track pontiac" monikor was bestowed upon the line, it's been known as a youthful/exciting car company. Performance lacklusting in 1.5 decades since the 1950's doesn't mean it lost that image.


Pontiac is a marque of automobile produced by General Motors and sold in the United States, Canada and Mexico from 1926 to the present. In the GM brand lineup, Pontiac is a mid-level brand featuring a sportier, high-performance driving experience for a reasonable price, and its advertisements appeal to younger customers.[citation needed]

:shrug:

edit - just to shut you up, Fiero. Sporty 2 seater car, handled well, looked good for the time, and was pontiac exclusive.

[Verbs]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
Meh. 80's and 90's (non fbody aside) were a dark time for performance across the board.

Ever since the wheels were moved outboard at the request of Knudsen, and the "Wide track pontiac" monikor was bestowed upon the line, it's been known as a youthful/exciting car company. Performance lacklusting in 1.5 decades since the 1950's doesn't mean it lost that image.



:shrug:

edit - just to shut you up, Fiero. Sporty 2 seater car, handled well, looked good for the time, and was pontiac exclusive.

It's gonna take more than a Fiero to shut me up, son.

[keliente]

I bought a G8 GT because I'm a poor f-body loving redneck and by golly this thing is the closest to a BMW I'll ever be able to afford!

Reckon I might get me one of those flat screen electric picture boxes too, son!

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by vyrbs
It's gonna take more than a Fiero to shut me up, son.

:meh: Don't talk back to me little man. :boxer: I'll put your car keys on the top shelf. WHAT NOW?>! WHAT NOW?!?!?

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by keliente
I bought a G8 GT because I'm a poor f-body loving redneck and by golly this thing is the closest to a BMW I'll ever be able to afford!

Reckon I might get me one of those flat screen electric picture boxes too, son!

Pardon me madam, could you spare some chewing tobacco?

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
is a grand prix classy?

before or after the interior falls apart and the suspension bounces like a prom date?

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by keliente
I bought a G8 GT because I'm a poor f-body loving redneck and by golly this thing is the closest to a BMW I'll ever be able to afford!

Reckon I might get me one of those flat screen electric picture boxes too, son!

at least you can admit it.

[Bird of Fire]

:corn2:

[IMPOSTER]

"Alright, we're taking it up a notch!"

[Big_Red_1]

Some of you are pulling shit out of your asses. The G8 has never been compared to the E60 M5. :lol:

It has been compared to the E39 M5 however and I'm willing to bet that performance wise the GXP G8 will match or beat an E39 M5.

Having said that, I would rather have a used E39 M5 than a new G8 GXP. Not only would it be an "overall" better car, but the resale value alone makes it the better choice.

[keliente]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
Pardon me madam, could you spare some chewing tobacco?

I reckon that won't be a problum.

[byebyebye]

Originally posted by keliente
I reckon that won't be a problum.
How is your pony?

[keliente]

Originally posted by aliwantsnss
How is your pony?

She's fine :cool:

[Morgan]

LOL

Thank you verbs, I questioned the intense bandwagoning of the G8 here and was quickly crucified. :rotfl: I knew I wasnt the only one lol

[keliente]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
LOL

Thank you verbs, I questioned the intense bandwagoning of the G8 here and was quickly crucified.

Inorite it's crazy, people on a GM website actually liking a GM car :confused:

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by keliente
She's fine :cool:

Wanna go to a monster truck show later? I'll even take you to a nice place to eat some vittles afterwards - like Sizzler! :deal:

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
if you removed the fact that the M5 destroys the GT in every single performance category, i'd agree with you ;) the M5 is 1/2 the price and has much better performance :shrug:

Exactly, people buying the GT don't buy it because it can rack out 9 second 1/4's or lap the ring with an Enzo, just like people don't buy the G8 thinking it is just as good or the equivalent of a M5.

Obviously BMW turns out some nice vehicles, the M5 is a nice piece, same as the G8, while it doesn't scream hey look I have money, I have great prestige and I am high class, it looks good, has good performance at a great price.

This is what I love about CG, GM or Ford is expected to build a vehicle that has great performance, looks good, great reliability and has the interior of a 80K vehicle but yet should be priced no more than 30K:umm:

[keliente]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
Wanna go to a monster truck show later? I'll even take you to a nice place to eat some vittles afterwards - like Sizzler! :deal:

Golden Corral, or I'm not going. A girl's gotta have standards, you know.

[shuck]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
LOL

Thank you verbs, I questioned the intense bandwagoning of the G8 here and was quickly crucified. :rotfl: I knew I wasnt the only one lol

So when people like a car that others like it is bangwagon......shit I just thought it was a preference:boggled:

[byebyebye]

Originally posted by keliente
Golden Corral, or I'm not going. A girl's gotta have standards, you know.
I think they have hitching posts for your ride.

[jeeplaw]

Well shit, what happens when you make upwards north of 150k and god forbid settle for another 4DR lead sled, aka my Dodge Charger Daytona? I've said it before and I'll say it again, classy to some is slumming it to others.

Yes, i'm a lawyer who doesn't drive what's considered a "classy, high end automobile". Oh noes. Can i afford something in the 80k+ range? Probably. Would it make financial sense to me, probably not.

To me, my charger has the looks and balls to mirror me and what i want in a car- for a right price. Sure, i *could* come off more classy in my ride. Friend at work just outright bought a 911 brand new. Always loved the Porsche's, but my old school muscle car roots drew me back. I'll never claim it's classy, BUT, i could care less. My big HEMI stickers on my hood are dead giveaways :cool:

I like the G8, and am glad there's more muscle on the streets of America, but at the same time I'd never buy it. I like some of my cars a little more sinister.

EDIT: we're also at a great pricepoint/performance point in the buying market. 350+ HP for around 30k? That's good stuff.

[Jack Daniels]

Ridiculous snobbery from those who can't even afford to be snobs. :rotfl:

[Morgan]

Originally posted by keliente
Inorite it's crazy, people on a GM website actually liking a GM car :confused:

lol, just like the new camaro huh ;)

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by keliente
Golden Corral, or I'm not going. A girl's gotta have standards, you know.

WTF?!?! You upitty material whore. :madbono:

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
Ridiculous snobbery from those who can't even afford to be snobs. :rotfl:

so at what point can you afford it?

[DANSBIRD]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
LOL

Thank you verbs, I questioned the intense bandwagoning of the G8 here and was quickly crucified. :rotfl: I knew I wasnt the only one lol :werd: as did i.

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by jeeplaw
Well shit, what happens when you make upwards north of 150k and god forbid settle for another 4DR lead sled, aka my Dodge Charger Daytona? I've said it before and I'll say it again, classy to some is slumming it to others.

Yes, i'm a lawyer who doesn't drive what's considered a "classy, high end automobile". Oh noes. Can i afford something in the 80k+ range? Probably. Would it make financial sense to me, probably not.

To me, my charger has the looks and balls to mirror me and what i want in a car- for a right price. Sure, i *could* come off more classy in my ride. Friend at work just outright bought a 911 brand new. Always loved the Porsche's, but my old school muscle car roots drew me back. I'll never claim it's classy, BUT, i could care less. My big HEMI stickers on my hood are dead giveaways :cool:

I like the G8, and am glad there's more muscle on the streets of America, but at the same time I'd never buy it. I like some of my cars a little more sinister.

EDIT: we're also at a great pricepoint/performance point in the buying market. 350+ HP for around 30k? That's good stuff.

Very refreshing post, completely parallels my feelings on the matter. I have no problem with people liking upscale and classy (perceived) vehicles. However, when you start telling others that they can't afford this or that and never will be, then you have a problem.

[CT Morgan]

Plenty of people with serious financial resources choose to stay away from the elite vehicle class. :dunno:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Plenty of people with serious financial resources choose to stay away from the elite vehicle class. :dunno:

for damn good reason, -30% ROI in 2-3 years is probably one of them

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by shuck
So when people like a car that others like it is bangwagon......shit I just thought it was a preference:boggled:
lol That is precisely what I initially took issue with (in the other thread) but I'm done with it.

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Big_Red_1

It has been compared to the E39 M5 however and I'm willing to bet that performance wise the GXP G8 will match or beat an E39 M5.


Probably true. The outgoing ('04-'07) CTS-V already established that however. Its performance will likely be equaled or eclipsed by the G8 GXP, as it should with its hardware.


Having said that, I would rather have a used E39 M5 than a new G8 GXP. Not only would it be an "overall" better car, but the resale value alone makes it the better choice.


MY 1999-2003 with a caseload of well-documented [and costly] long-term reliability issues vs. 2009-2010 MY car with new technology, under warranty...

Okay, I'll take your statement as a severe case of "preferencing." :lol:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Imperator
MY 1999-2003 with a caseload of well-documented [and costly] long-term reliability issues vs. 2009-2010 MY car with new technology, under warranty...

class and prestige aren't cheap, gotta pay to play

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by mrgto
This thread is so moronic.....

Who was the guy who was asking the Forum for advice on how to pack his GTO so that guy + wife + daughter could go on a full weekend roadtrip ? I rememember saying something trashy like "Good luck just fitting the shoes in".
That guy ended up taking the wifes' V6 away instead, just so the luggage would fit.

:hmm:

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
class and prestige aren't cheap, gotta pay to play

How many years have passed since the E39 was in production? Do W210s exhibit any more "class" than a new Avalon or TL?

[DarkPhoenix]

I went to the Pontiac dealer today and sat in one. Very sharp car, the online pics do not do it justice. For me, the G8 is a V8 RWD performance sedan. Now that I have a daughter, I need a 4 door car, and the G8 fits that bill.

[Verbs]

Originally posted by Imperator
Probably true. The outgoing ('04-'07) CTS-V already established that however. Its performance will likely be equaled or eclipsed by the G8 GXP, as it should with its hardware.

The G8 GXP eclipsing the CTS-V's low 13 second 1/4 mile, great brakes, and solid handling? I highly doubt it.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by vyrbs
The G8 GXP eclipsing the CTS-V's low 13 second 1/4 mile, great brakes, and solid handling? I highly doubt it.

We're talking about the outgoing V. The G8 GT is already running low 13's in the 1/4 so why wouldn't the GXP get into the 12's?

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by vyrbs
The G8 GXP eclipsing the CTS-V's low 13 second 1/4 mile, great brakes, and solid handling? I highly doubt it.


Hmm, as I understand, the G8 GXP *should* be modeled after the HSV [Commodore] GTS. That car is curretly fitted with a 425HP/405 ft-# 6.2, the same Tremec Txxx 6-speed manual, same 3.73 rearend ratio (no hopamatic Getrag though), the same 4-piston front/rear Brembo calipers with 14.4"F / 13.8"R rotors and 245/35 R20 front 275/30 R20 rear tires.

The numbers should be close. I'd expect the CTS-V to slightly edge the GXP on handling though, especially with FE3 and lower curb weight.

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by HSV-GTS-300
Who was the guy who was asking the Forum for advice on how to pack his GTO so that guy + wife + daughter could go on a full weekend roadtrip ? I rememember saying something trashy like "Good luck just fitting the shoes in".
That guy ended up taking the wifes' V6 away instead, just so the luggage would fit.

:hmm:


LOL. We did a week trip to SC and FLA in the GTO. Me + wife + two teenage daughters, no problem. :rotfl:

[79 Bird of Prey]

Will the G8 GXP have magnetic ride control like the new CTS V?

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by 79 Bird of Prey
Will the G8 GXP have magnetic ride control like the new CTS V?

The HSV VE GTS has MRC and was released about Sept 06.
So the engineering and tech is available in the parts bin.

Depends what budget the GXP is being built to, as to which toys get fitted.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Imperator



MY 1999-2003 with a caseload of well-documented [and costly] long-term reliability issues vs. 2009-2010 MY car with new technology, under warranty...

Okay, I'll take your statement as a severe case of "preferencing." :lol:

like what?

is vanos all you've got. Maybe Mafs. bfd. its a great car, and always will be.

go drool over your fucking sts-v.

instead of magazine racing, its now time for magazine "your bmw or MB is a reliability nightmare", when in fact you have no fucking clue.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
go drool over your fucking sts-v.

What's so bad about the STS-V? Very attractive car with a nice interior and great power.

[Quadcammer]

nothing. its fine. But his asinine insinuation that the E39 M5 has serious long term reliability issues is just flat out bullshit.

im tired of this horseshit.

[Dolemite]

Decent car overall, but the interior fucking sucks. I went to the autoshow with an open mind...it was one of the cars I was considering buying. Not no'mo though.

[Gravy Train]

LOL, here we go. I'll leave my previous statement as-is, but for clarification, I never stated the M5 as a "maintenance nightmare," just several widely-known issues that can set a long-term or second-hand owner back. Okay, so the MAFs will either trip a light or bring the car down on power... easy repair, but expensive parts. You can also replace the VANOS accumulator on your own but the repair is never complete until you get your hands on a MoDiC. To the unsuspecting owner who does his service through the dealer, it will get pricey quickly.

Clutch? Brakes? Coolant? What about the fun interior plastics that get brittle over time? Yeah, every car has its maintenance issues as it ages... My STS-V is probably going to be an even bigger headache outside of its warranty period. But given two cars with similar performance figures, one brand new with warranty and the other 5+ years old and out of warranty, I don't see how the latter is a no-brainer-better choice, dash molesting and badge-coddling aside.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by Sir Ringo
What's so bad about the STS-V? Very attractive car with a nice interior and great power.


The powerplant is a piece of shit (no offense, Roger).

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
The powerplant is a piece of shit (no offense, Roger).

How's that? The car might not be on the same level performance wise as the E55 or M5 but precisely what is your reasoning for calling a 469hp 4.4L DOHC V8 a "piece of shit"?

Or is it the badge in front of the engine that does it? :p

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
The powerplant is a piece of shit (no offense, Roger).

LOL, like all factory-supplied FI engines, right? ;) Actually I think GM finally sorted out all of the N*'s issues with the hand-built LC3, then killed it.

It's smooth, quiet, produces a nice, broad torque curve (over 400ft-# from 2500-5500 RPM) and pulls down a consistent 14MPG 60% city/40% hwy behind the corporate 6-speed auto. Aside from the muffled blower whine, it doesn't make any pretty noises, looks ugly under cover and is a PITA to work on.

[Kal-El]

because im sorry but unlike you i cant afford a fuckin M5 or brand new ZO6, RS4568, or a new AMGE55, thats all i will be able to afford for the next few years. Sorry but my in laws to be don't give me quattroportes like robs, not knockin him but some of us are po.

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Sir Ringo
How's that? The car might not be on the same level performance wise as the E55 or M5 b

Eh, mine put a carlength on a 6-speed E90 M5 from dead stop to 80MPH before we shut down. It would get yanked by an E55 on the highway though. Tune + blower mods are pretty cheap and would put it right with the E55 or slightly ahead. :dunno:

[jmd]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
is a grand prix classy?

FWD is never classy unless it's because the 4WD or AWD setup is broken.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by Sir Ringo
How's that? The car might not be on the same level performance wise as the E55 or M5 but precisely what is your reasoning for calling a 469hp 4.4L DOHC V8 a "piece of shit"?

Or is it the badge in front of the engine that does it? :p

The Northstar is crap.

Actually I think GM finally sorted out all of the N*'s issues with the hand-built LC3, then killed it.

Don't ruin this fantasy. Your car has heat soak and Northstar written all over it.

ALL.

OVER.

IT.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
nothing. its fine. But his asinine insinuation that the E39 M5 has serious long term reliability issues is just flat out bullshit.

im tired of this horseshit.

:lol:

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
The Northstar is crap.



Don't ruin this fantasy. Your car has heat soak and Northstar written all over it.

ALL.

OVER.

IT.


B...b-b-but it's got 4 liquid/air Laminova intercoolers built into the supercharger!

It still detonates the same, nevermind the fact that the electric-driven intercooler pump failed for a brief period late last fall. :o I think they applied a few "lessons learned" to the LSA and LS9 regarding intercooler efficency.

You can drive it in another few weeks and let me know what you really think. :help:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
The Northstar is crap.

only when it breaks, what a PITA series of motors to work on

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Imperator
LOL, here we go. I'll leave my previous statement as-is, but for clarification, I never stated the M5 as a "maintenance nightmare," just several widely-known issues that can set a long-term or second-hand owner back. Okay, so the MAFs will either trip a light or bring the car down on power... easy repair, but expensive parts. You can also replace the VANOS accumulator on your own but the repair is never complete until you get your hands on a MoDiC. To the unsuspecting owner who does his service through the dealer, it will get pricey quickly.

Clutch? Brakes? Coolant? What about the fun interior plastics that get brittle over time? Yeah, every car has its maintenance issues as it ages... My STS-V is probably going to be an even bigger headache outside of its warranty period. But given two cars with similar performance figures, one brand new with warranty and the other 5+ years old and out of warranty, I don't see how the latter is a no-brainer-better choice, dash molesting and badge-coddling aside.

uh, Mafs can be found for $70 bux a piece.

Vanos repairs are typically around $600-$800. For a car that cost $75k brand new, thats not a big deal.

Clutch, sure, once every 60k miles if that, its like 2,000. Again, big deal.

Brakes? expensive rotors (which last a long time). Pads are dirt cheap and easy to replace.

Coolant? come on now...

Interior plastics? We had a 2000 for 60k miles until late 2007 and precisely zero interior plastics needed to be replaced.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by jeeplaw
Well shit, what happens when you make upwards north of 150k and god forbid settle for another 4DR lead sled, aka my Dodge Charger Daytona? I've said it before and I'll say it again, classy to some is slumming it to others.


do you consider your charge to be "classy?" i'm thinking no.

[krispycobalt]

main reason brakes don't last as long as they should is because people don't change the brake fluid and disassemble the calipers periodically to re-grease the slides

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
do you consider your charge to be "classy?" i'm thinking no.

maybe not the charger (its a Dodge :o, even lower potential for 'classy' than Pontiac), but what about a 300?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
maybe not the charger (its a Dodge :o, even lower potential for 'classy' than Pontiac), but what about a 300?

i'd say the 300 scrapes into the lower echelon of class :yup:

[cm_ls1]

is it bad that i find this car , fuckin good looking , and drool to throw a cam in the l76/ls3 ?

the main difference now it that the chassis and steering are up to par.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l215/danielz1836/IMG_1888.jpg

[Quadcammer]

cmls1 are you on the G8 sales team because you pimp this car harder than hookers on 42nd street.

[cm_ls1]

i should be ... aye ? :cool:

Originally posted by GMCtrk
That was Quadcammer in the pink sweater.

:lol:

[jeeplaw]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
do you consider your charge to be "classy?" i'm thinking no.

No, i don't think of it as classy in the classical sense of an older Jag, a late model Maranello or even an Astin Martin. However, i do find that it's in a class of it's own in regards to exterior looks, power/performance as a combination for the price point that I got in at.

Trust me, i've had my car valet'd at societal functions where I'm definately the odd ball out..and i love it. I'm also the same guy who drove a lifted and built up 83 CJ7 while in law school. It's all relative.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by jeeplaw
No, i don't think of it as classy in the classical sense of an older Jag, a late model Maranello or even an Astin Martin.

if you made 1/3 of what you do, would your opinion about its classiness or lack thereof change?

[jeeplaw]

Nope. What it comes down to is that I'm a car/truck guy. My perspective at looking at cars has been colored by my father and his 67 GTO (which he bought on a whim after he bought his '67 Jag which he sent back once he found out that it didn't ship with the glass through transport to New Haven harbor from overseas) and my experiences with different cars (and jeeps) throughout my life. I'm only 33, but, i've experienced a bunch because of my love for cars. I have many many friends who are more well of than me that own stables of great cars. Modern day and classic.

What it comes down to is that i'm a driver. Plain and simple, i love to drive. Torque puts my ass back in my seat, and the handling of a car keeps it planted on corners. Classiness is fine for impressing and showing off. I have no problem with that. But classiness should never be confused with:
1) the soul of a car
2) the performance of a car
3) who that person is ;)

I may have my eyes set on the caddie in the future. To me, it's not about classiness (although one can argue it is), but it's the power, performance and comfort. Whenever I test drive a car, this may sound weird, but I listen to it to see what the car is telling me. Exhaust tone, squealing (or lack thereof) of tires on hard corners, stability of the seats, and so forth.

In the end, if I was making a 1/3 of what I'm making now, my opinion of my charger wouldn't change. It may not be "classy", but i still feel that it's in a class of it's own based on looks/performance/comfort. Truth be told, i still perfer the look of a Charger over a MB Cl500. I'm also a huge Bimmer fan as well.

The G8 just happened to slide right into the performance/comfort market segment, but to me the exterior of the Charger trumps it. Anyways, that's my longwinded response

[jeeplaw]

Oh yea, this may not be "classy"

http://www.1320video.com/img/07NAIAS/IMG_4075.sized.jpg

But it screams i'm gonna rip out your heart and feed it back to you :D

The G8 has more a civil look to it, with more of a european flair to it, which is nice for an American car

http://www.carphotosite.com/data/media/311/2008_Pontiac_G8_GT_Show_Car_001.jpg

Me? I'm your typical trial lawyer with a sports background. I'm going to go head to head with you in court and verbally beat the shit out of you and persuade the jury that my position is absolute. At the end of the day, i slide back into my car that's as every bit of agressive as I am ;)

[Quadcammer]

the charger is a bloated whale, it looks about as aggessive as a guppy. and the interior is vomit worthy.

oh and cars don't have a soul. they are simply metal and plastic.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
if you made 1/3 of what you do, would your opinion about its classiness or lack thereof change?

Originally posted by jeeplaw
Nope.

yet earlier, you said this ...

Originally posted by jeeplaw
I've said it before and I'll say it again, classy to some is slumming it to others.


:hmm: are you atypical in that your opinion of class doesn't depend on what you earn, or did you just impeach yourself, counselor? ;)

[tater]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
the charger is a bloated whale, it looks about as aggessive as a guppy. and the interior is vomit worthy.

oh and cars don't have a soul. they are simply metal and plastic.

....in your opinion.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by pre
....in your opinion.

yes, in my opinion. what the fuck else would it be?

however, a car does not have a soul. This is a fact. It is a machine.

[Bird of Fire]

Soul in a biblical sense? No.
In a x-factor sense? Yes.

[tater]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
yes, in my opinion. what the fuck else would it be?

however, a car does not have a soul. This is a fact. It is a machine.

What is your def. of soul?

[jeeplaw]

You and I clearly enjoy cars on a different level, that's all. Out of curiousity, what kind of car do you think looks aggressive?

Oh, and no shit a car doesn't have an actual soul. HOWEVER, each vehicle has traits and nuances all to itself. So whereas it's not a soul in the religious sense, it has it's own identity. Does that make sense to you in the non-literal sense?


Originally posted by Quadcammer
the charger is a bloated whale, it looks about as aggessive as a guppy. and the interior is vomit worthy.

oh and cars don't have a soul. they are simply metal and plastic.

[JRothschild13]

From what I gathered in this thread is that class=$. Is that correct?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
the charger is a bloated whale, it looks about as aggessive as a guppy. and the interior is vomit worthy.

oh and cars don't have a soul. they are simply metal and plastic.

i actually think the charger srt-8 is gorgeous and aggressive. :shrug: the interior is disappointing, though.

[keliente]

Originally posted by JRothschild13
From what I gathered in this thread is that class=$. Is that correct?

:clap2:

But you're forgetting that if you own a G8 GT it's because you can't afford a BMW or Mercedes. Not because you like the car or anything silly like that.

[byebyebye]

:corn: everyone loves a good sword fight.

[jeeplaw]

http://www.saynotocrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/invishighfive.jpg

Originally posted by keliente
:clap2:

But you're forgetting that if you own a G8 GT it's because you can't afford a BMW or Mercedes. Not because you like the car or anything silly like that.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
i actually think the charger srt-8 is gorgeous and aggressive. :shrug: the interior is disappointing, though.

:yup:

Problem is, the SRT-8's interior is that of a $20k car (i.e. the base interior ) with some niceties.

[jeeplaw]

Yep, that's my quibble too with the Dodge. Interior is to bland. But I do love the seats, the navigation, hands free bluetooth phone, etc.

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by keliente
:clap2:

But you're forgetting that if you own a G8 GT it's because you can't afford a BMW or Mercedes. Not because you like the car or anything silly like that.

Obviously your uncouth palette is incapable of appreciating the finer things in life. :shrug: Now go fetch me my slippers and pipe you rogue wench.

[keliente]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
Obviously your uncouth palette is incapable of appreciating the finer things in life. :shrug: Now go fetch me my slippers and pipe you rogue wench.

I'm busy actually. I'm waiting for a prick in a used mercedes to come sweep me off my feet :love:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by JRothschild13
From what I gathered in this thread is that class=$. Is that correct?

no. we discussed a srt-8 not being classy but a CTS being classy, despite the fact the srt-8 is more expensive.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by keliente
:clap2:

But you're forgetting that if you own a G8 GT it's because you can't afford a BMW or Mercedes. Not because you like the car or anything silly like that.

well considering the 335i is a better car in every single way, if the person has the money, why wouldn't they buy the better car?

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by keliente
I'm busy actually. I'm waiting for a prick in a used mercedes to come sweep me off my feet :love:

since you HAVE to be referring to me, I will state that I would gladly take my "used mercedes" over the brand new G8. Furthermore, I could have easily purchased or leased a brand new E-Class. They had a deal for $570 a month for a new E350. Thats nothing.

However, since I have some semblance of financial sophistication, I purchased a used, low mileage E class that has things like navigation, zenons, awd, etc. for a small percentage of my net worth. Its cost me almost zero in repairs in the past 1.25 years, and its comfortable, quiet, smooth, and good in all weather conditions.

In fact, i'll go so far as to say that I would rather drive a 198X Mercedes S class than any new GM sedan, CTS included.

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
well considering the 335i is a better car in every single way, if the person has the money, why wouldn't they buy the better car?

Originally posted by Quadcammer
However, since I have some semblance of financial sophistication, I purchased a used, low mileage E class that has things like navigation, zenons, awd, etc. for a small percentage of my net worth.

:hmm:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
In fact, i'll go so far as to say that I would rather drive a 198X Mercedes S class than any new GM sedan, CTS included.

^ thats how you can tell someone is a nut hugger

[keliente]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
since you HAVE to be referring to me, I will state that I would gladly take my "used mercedes" over the brand new G8. Furthermore, I could have easily purchased or leased a brand new E-Class. They had a deal for $570 a month for a new E350. Thats nothing.

However, since I have some semblance of financial sophistication, I purchased a used, low mileage E class that has things like navigation, zenons, awd, etc. for a small percentage of my net worth. Its cost me almost zero in repairs in the past 1.25 years, and its comfortable, quiet, smooth, and good in all weather conditions.

In fact, i'll go so far as to say that I would rather drive a 198X Mercedes S class than any new GM sedan, CTS included.

You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you...

I wasn't talking about you, as far as I know you have an audi and a cobra. Calm down.

[keliente]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
well considering the 335i is a better car in every single way, if the person has the money, why wouldn't they buy the better car?

The 335i is a better car to YOU. Your opinion =/= others.

[jeeplaw]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
well considering the 335i is a better car in every single way, if the person has the money, why wouldn't they buy the better car?

Styling and exterior looks.

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by JRothschild13
From what I gathered in this thread is that class=$. Is that correct?

I'd ammend that to say class=$ when you don't have the $ but like to make others think you do.

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
well considering the 335i is a better car in every single way, if the person has the money, why wouldn't they buy the better car?

Welp, at least the G8 doesn't have overheating problems.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
Welp, at least the G8 doesn't have overheating problems.

you know this how?

they've been out for 20 minutes, who knows what problems they may have.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by jeeplaw
Styling and exterior looks.

as has been clear to this forum, Im not a huge fan of anything styled by Chris Bangle, and even I would say that the E92 coupe is better looking than the G8.

The sedans are a wash.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
^ thats how you can tell someone is a nut hugger

its widely recognized that the 126 S-Class (mid 80s to 91) was one of the best series of vehicles every built by Daimler Benz. Some still regard them as the best luxury sedan ever built in terms of comfort, ride quality, and build quality.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
well considering the 335i is a better car in every single way, if the person has the money, why wouldn't they buy the better car?

No it is not

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
its widely recognized that the 126 S-Class (mid 80s to 91) was one of the best series of vehicles every built by Daimler Benz. Some still regard them as the best luxury sedan ever built in terms of comfort, ride quality, and build quality.

And some still say the world is flat.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by shuck
No it is not

let see, equal acceleration, 335i is easier and cheaper to modify, better braking and handling, better handling feel, far better interior materials, more available options, available awd, far better build quality, free maintenance, etc.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by shuck
And some still say the world is flat.

whether you believe it or not, there is a lot of backing for that theory.

[Bird of Fire]

Here's what I've gathered thus far.

If you buy a Pontiac G8, it's all you can afford, and you're a poor piece of crap. It's not at all because that's what you like and are biased towards.
If you buy a used *.German it's because you're financially smart. It's not at all because that's what you like and are biased towards.

That about cover it? :dunno: :ski:

[keliente]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
let see, equal acceleration, 335i is easier and cheaper to modify, better braking and handling, better handling feel, far better interior materials, more available options, available awd, far better build quality, free maintenance, etc.

Do you not believe that people are entitled to their own opinions?

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by keliente
Do you not believe that people are entitled to their own opinions?

When he gets on a roll he forgets that. ;)

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by keliente
Do you not believe that people are entitled to their own opinions?

some things are opinions. others are factual.

if you want to tell me the G8 looks better to you, thats fine.

if you want to say that it has better material quality, that is not fine, because its simply not true.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
its widely recognized that the 126 S-Class (mid 80s to 91) was one of the best series of vehicles every built by Daimler Benz. Some still regard them as the best luxury sedan ever built in terms of comfort, ride quality, and build quality.

Was being the key term. A current specimen of those vehicles has way too much age on it to make for any valid comparison. Oh and as far as build quality goes, the Lexus LS holds that title. :slap:

[jdsgn]

lol at quad taking an 80s Mercedes over a new G8..... I already didn't give any of the "im rich and sophisticated crowd" any credit on this board but wow that was impressive. :cool:

[JRothschild13]

http://www.autotrend.com/pic/9446.jpg

[keliente]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
some things are opinions. others are factual.

if you want to tell me the G8 looks better to you, thats fine.

if you want to say that it has better material quality, that is not fine, because its simply not true.

But you just told me a few posts back that the 335i is the better car, so if I have the money why didn't I buy that? "Better" is simply an opinion.

I don't want a BMW, that's why I didn't buy one.

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
some things are opinions. others are factual.

if you want to tell me the G8 looks better to you, thats fine.

if you want to say that it has better material quality, that is not fine, because its simply not true.

My friend just dropped 60 on a 335 vert. All I could do was laugh. Yeah, the seats have nice leather, but they are uncomfortable. To quote him, the seats in his 94 accord were more comfortable. The 335 also looks like ass, especially from the side. The interior is cramped and the dash is fucking horrible. The radio also seemingly takes 8000 seconds to change stations. And to think that you can get a G8 for HALF of that just blows me away. Again, I say let schmucks like yourself waste money for perceived class and status. Quit pushing your elitist attitude and knocking others for their choices.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
its widely recognized that the 126 S-Class (mid 80s to 91) was one of the best series of vehicles every built by Daimler Benz. Some still regard them as the best luxury sedan ever built in terms of comfort, ride quality, and build quality.

And some still think that cars from the 30s, 40s, 50s are better and the best ever made. However, to saying you would rather drive a car aged 2+ decades than a brand new is just something I have a hard time believing.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
if you want to say that it has better material quality, that is not fine, because its simply not true.

Actually a lot of what BMW does on 1/3 series for interior trim panels is use ABS plastic but they just put a film on it to give it 'premium' look/feel. However its still ABS plastic.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
you know this how?

they've been out for 20 minutes, who knows what problems they may have.

eh. the engine is just a variation of the lsx, which doesn't have overheating problems. i'd put money on the G8 NOT having engine issues.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
eh. the engine is just a variation of the lsx, which doesn't have overheating problems. i'd put money on the G8 NOT having engine issues.

thats not the point jeremy and you know it.

The 335i has been taken out and beat on for at least a year. Who knows what issues the g8 will have. weak rearend perhaps?

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Was being the key term. A current specimen of those vehicles has way too much age on it to make for any valid comparison. Oh and as far as build quality goes, the Lexus LS holds that title. :slap:

i agree that the lexus hold the title for reliability, but im not convinced about build quality.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by keliente
But you just told me a few posts back that the 335i is the better car, so if I have the money why didn't I buy that? "Better" is simply an opinion.

I don't want a BMW, that's why I didn't buy one.

granted, but most people would consider faster better than slower, shorter stopping better than longer, higher grip/better feel over lower grip/worse feel etc.

These items just aren't very subjective.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Actually a lot of what BMW does on 1/3 series for interior trim panels is use ABS plastic but they just put a film on it to give it 'premium' look/feel. However its still ABS plastic.

fine, that may be the case. Regardless, it looks and feels better.

In addition, the leather quality is higher. It also has the option for real wood (which most luxury car buyers appreciate)

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by GMCtrk
My friend just dropped 60 on a 335 vert. All I could do was laugh. Yeah, the seats have nice leather, but they are uncomfortable. To quote him, the seats in his 94 accord were more comfortable. The 335 also looks like ass, especially from the side. The interior is cramped and the dash is fucking horrible. The radio also seemingly takes 8000 seconds to change stations. And to think that you can get a G8 for HALF of that just blows me away. Again, I say let schmucks like yourself waste money for perceived class and status. Quit pushing your elitist attitude and knocking others for their choices.

i actually think the 335 looks pretty good. i do agree that the interior kind of sucks, however.

regardless of whether you care about class or status, others do - and those others who do care have an opinion of you that may matter, depending on your career and what not. :shrug: as someone pointed out in here -- what would you think of a sales rep who picked you up in an EVO?

btw, the G8 isn't a vert ;)

you can lease a 335i sedan in the mid $500 range, 12k mi/yr, for 36 months or even 24 months. what does it cost to lease a G8? ;)

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
let see, equal acceleration, 335i is easier and cheaper to modify, better braking and handling, better handling feel, far better interior materials, more available options, available awd, far better build quality, free maintenance, etc.

So now if the 335i is equal in acceleration as another car that makes it better:lol:

Cheaper to modify, so both cars have been out a short period of time so how do you know how much they will cost to modify? When did you drive the 335i and when did you drive the G8?

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
whether you believe it or not, there is a lot of backing for that theory.

So lets hear it chief.........since you want to dismiss everyone opinion I am sure we can dismiss your opinion just as easy.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
its widely recognized that the 126 S-Class (mid 80s to 91) was one of the best series of vehicles every built by Daimler Benz. Some still regard them as the best luxury sedan ever built in terms of comfort, ride quality, and build quality.

That may be true, but they're also 20 years old. Even the previous generation S-class does not impress me much, let alone one from two decades ago. I'm sure those cars were nothing short of fantastic when they came out, but cars have advanced by leaps and bounds over the last 5 years, let alone the last 20, and I'm sure you know that.

Personally, there's nothing to get excited about here. Even your average person would recognize the age of this car - it's not going to garner you much respect.

Well, as a kid, I always loved headlight wipers for some reason, but that's about all :D

http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00010-copie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00011-copie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00001-copie.jpg

[jdsgn]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
what would you think of a sales rep who picked you up in an EVO?


I think i would probably like the guy because its obvious he doesn't fall into the same shallow traps as most of you. I really don't even think its an actual issue. It's something that certain people have made an issue when in reality as long as your car is newer, and very presentable most people won't even know what the hell kind of car they are in. Most of the wealthiest people I know have no idea what type of car is next to them without looking at the badge.

[jmd]

Originally posted by aliwantsnss
:corn: everyone loves a good pencil fight.

Fixed. To suit the contendors.

[Bird of Fire]

Originally posted by Sir Ringo
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00010-copie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00011-copie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00001-copie.jpg

:faint: That car shits pure class. :love:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
you can lease a 335i sedan in the mid $500 range, 12k mi/yr, for 36 months or even 24 months. what does it cost to lease a G8? ;)

too much at the moment due to demand, costs more to lease a G8 GT than a $40k CTS (employee pricing), more than $500/mo

gotta wait for the cars to cool off

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by shuck
So now if the 335i is equal in acceleration as another car that makes it better:lol:

Cheaper to modify, so both cars have been out a short period of time so how do you know how much they will cost to modify? When did you drive the 335i and when did you drive the G8?

wow, you made it a whole 6 words into my post before replying. I bet you did real well on your SAT reading comprehension.

I mentioned about 8 other things there, but you convienently skipped over them.

The 335i has been out for over a year and is a factory forced induction car. A simple chip adds 65bhp and 100lb ft of torque. Id say we have a clear winner there.

I have driven a 335i about 6 months ago. I have not driven a G8.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by shuck
So lets hear it chief.........since you want to dismiss everyone opinion I am sure we can dismiss your opinion just as easy.

I said "some" believe. I did not say I believe. I said that I would take one over a G8, and thats true.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Sir Ringo
That may be true, but they're also 20 years old. Even the previous generation S-class does not impress me much, let alone one from two decades ago. I'm sure those cars were nothing short of fantastic when they came out, but cars have advanced by leaps and bounds over the last 5 years, let alone the last 20, and I'm sure you know that.

Personally, there's nothing to get excited about here. Even your average person would recognize the age of this car - it's not going to garner you much respect.

Well, as a kid, I always loved headlight wipers for some reason, but that's about all :D

http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00010-copie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00011-copie.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/c126s/DSC00001-copie.jpg

Im not sure what you're getting at here. I realize its old and that new cars have much more features/options, etc.

Im also not saying its anything to get excited about. I would still rather take one over a G8. Not because its classier (which I feel it is), but because I like the looks, and the feel of a mercedes to the looks and feel of a pontiac.

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
thats not the point jeremy and you know it.

The 335i has been taken out and beat on for at least a year. Who knows what issues the g8 will have. weak rearend perhaps?

Preproduction models of the 335i being tested in mags were already pushing oil temps past 300 F after a quick jaunt around a track. That the cooling system was undersized for a TT vehicle was a given. Any proof they've rectified that?

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
Im not sure what you're getting at here. I realize its old and that new cars have much more features/options, etc.

Im also not saying its anything to get excited about. I would still rather take one over a G8. Not because its classier (which I feel it is), but because I like the looks, and the feel of a mercedes to the looks and feel of a pontiac.

Oh, I'm not surprised at you preferring that over the G8 - that's perfectly reasonable. The Benz is definitely classier, though I'd argue that's far from being a strong point of either vehicle. But over the CTS?

I'm not even talking about features/options as much as all the aspects of the car. Interior materials of what used to be the finest luxury vehicles aren't impressive by today's standards...in my opinion, anyway :)

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
thats not the point jeremy and you know it.

The 335i has been taken out and beat on for at least a year. Who knows what issues the g8 will have. weak rearend perhaps?

it's a gm vehicle. of course the rear will be a piece of shit. that's a given :lol: (someone name for me a GM performance vehicle made in the past 10 years with a strong rear)

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
it's a gm vehicle. of course the rear will be a piece of shit. that's a given :lol: (someone name for me a GM performance vehicle made in the past 10 years with a strong rear)

At least it has LSD :o

:jk: I think the 335i is a fantastic car, interior qualms aside.

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
i actually think the 335 looks pretty good. i do agree that the interior kind of sucks, however.

regardless of whether you care about class or status, others do - and those others who do care have an opinion of you that may matter, depending on your career and what not. :shrug: as someone pointed out in here -- what would you think of a sales rep who picked you up in an EVO?


That was me, and that was only because we got into a silly discussion about the "class" of a $30k vehicle, and I was merely stating that most would be content to be picked up by a typical sedan like the G8 (which had been deemed uncouth by the LS2 tea and crumpets society), but would raise an eye at an STi/Evo.

[NHRATA01]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
it's a gm vehicle. of course the rear will be a piece of shit. that's a given :lol: (someone name for me a GM performance vehicle made in the past 10 years with a strong rear)

Haven't seen any ZO6's eat a diff on the way to a high 10 second pass. C5s and C6s on the whole are more than sufficient when it comes to rears.

[keliente]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
granted, but most people would consider faster better than slower, shorter stopping better than longer, higher grip/better feel over lower grip/worse feel etc.

These items just aren't very subjective.

Whatever small performance difference there may be between a 335i and a G8, it is not worth $10k to me. My G8 is near fully loaded (sans sunroof) at $31k. A base 335i is $41,600 per BMW's website.

It's funny how LS2 will preach on about other people's business and finances, spending money smartly when it comes to cars...but when it comes to prestige and status symbol cars, all of that goes out the window.

[Schnell]

Those hoods scoops are absolutely horrendous.

[Bird of Fire]

http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/toptens/billionaire/01-billionaires.html

:OMG: :zNIELLYY:

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
wow, you made it a whole 6 words into my post before replying. I bet you did real well on your SAT reading comprehension.

I mentioned about 8 other things there, but you convienently skipped over them.

The 335i has been out for over a year and is a factory forced induction car. A simple chip adds 65bhp and 100lb ft of torque. Id say we have a clear winner there.

I have driven a 335i about 6 months ago. I have not driven a G8.

I just realized, you are not a snob you are just someone who thinks he is better than others when in reality your just an average joe.

Even though you want to act like a 5th grader I will respond anyway. I commented on the first thing you post, funny how you get upset at me because of that....I wonder why? How about because you made a comment that made you look foolish and I called you out on it. I still welcome your answer though, how does the BMW being equal to a different car in a category make it better in that same category?

And continuing with your wonderful post, the G8 just came out and you magically know how much it will gain with mods and the 335i will gain more....the G8 has been out 20 minutes, how do you know how much power they will gain with mods?

And you say that you have not drove the G8 yet but you know the 335i has a better handling feel.......could you explain how you know this?

[shuck]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
I said "some" believe. I did not say I believe. I said that I would take one over a G8, and thats true.

And some believe that they are boring and wouldn't spend a penny on them.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by shuck
I just realized, you are not a snob you are just someone who thinks he is better than others when in reality your just an average joe.


:rotfl:

[Rob Almighty]

I win.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
I loose.

Fiksed.

:bwahaha:

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by shuck
I just realized, you are not a snob you are just someone who thinks he is better than others when in reality your just an average joe.


you work at home depot and/or deliver pizza.

The only thing you should be concerned with is whether my pizza is on time or not.

average joe?

lets see. My salary is well above the national average for all individuals. For 24 year olds, I think im well above average in that regard.

Assets, same as above.

3 promotions in less than 3 years, MBA candidate from the best part time MBA program in the country, etc etc.

You must have a high opinion of average joes.

[Bird of Fire]

Last time I tried to suck my own dick I couldn't reach :(

[NoRiceInside]

http://skezdispenser.com/picKLE-cache/funny/cats/cookie_640.jpg

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Bird of Fire
Last time I tried to suck my own dick I couldn't reach :(

it happens. stretch for a bit and try again.

[WCFields]

Originally posted by NHRATA01
Haven't seen any ZO6's eat a diff on the way to a high 10 second pass. C5s and C6s on the whole are more than sufficient when it comes to rears. Hmm...seems to me we've seen a few pics of stock ZO6's splititng the rear end in pieces at the track. :think:

[IMPOSTER]

This thread just keeps on givin'.

[keliente]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
you work at home depot and/or deliver pizza.

The only thing you should be concerned with is whether my pizza is on time or not.

average joe?

lets see. My salary is :blah:

We get it Quad, you're a real catch. So enjoy your high line cars, enjoy the prestige they bring you as you flaunt to your peers how affluent you are and how much status you've gained.

And perhaps accept the fact that there are people that have the same salary as you but do not care for german cars. :eek:

And that's ok.

[Jack Daniels]

For me, the roar of an American V8 trumps prestige every time. :o

Old people drive Mercedes Benzes. :yup:

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by keliente
We get it Quad, you're a real catch. So enjoy your high line cars, enjoy the prestige they bring you as you flaunt to your peers how affluent you are and how much status you've gained.

And perhaps accept the fact that there are people that have the same salary as you but do not care for german cars. :eek:

And that's ok.

:cool: