Black G8 GT pics

[Spectre]

I've had this car for the past week and I'm very impressed so far. It is FAR more enjoyable to drive than the Grand Prix GXP (as it should be). I'll say more about my likes/dislikes later... here are some pics - yeah, they're not the greatest but better than nothing. :)

http://picsorban.com/upload/g8 - front.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/g8 - left front.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/g8 - right rear.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/g8 - right side.jpg

Notice the DIC between the tach & speedo can be configured as a digital speedometer. Its a decent compromise to a true HUD.
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http://picsorban.com/upload/g8 - center console.jpg

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[1badls2goat]

:cool:

[tyman]

Pontiac/GM needs to put something just a little more than a tiny lip spoiler on it and it'd be badass.

I'm definitely digging black....throw some black Z06 type wheels on it and you have teh sexor.


http://picsorban.com/upload/g8%20-%20right%20side.jpg

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[GMCtrk]

I love it. It's aggressive yet sleek and has a classy look to it, especially rhe side profile.

[IMPOSTER]

Nice!

Originally posted by Spectre

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What a difference. :worship:

[Lyl Hossaz]

Change the rims & Tint it!

[Scotty]

Saw one exactly like that on the highway today. Looked amazing, just as yours does!

[DrFrag]

great looking cars.

would look better with no license plate though :o

[Kman]

Looks great!

[Bad Eddie]

I don't want to be a hater, because I love the idea of this car being here, but I have never liked Pontiac's front ends. Give me the holden or HSV front end and I'd own one right now. That being said, I hope this car does extremely well!

[Harmon Rabb]

that DIC isn't even close to a decent compromise for a true HUD -- however, I don't really care about HUD's, so that wouldn't dissuade me. Just saying that the point of a HUD is allowing you to see info without removing your eyes from the road.

looks great in black. congrats.

[Shaun]

Very nice looking car.:cool: Far better than the Grand Prix. :barf:

Congrats!

[kasim]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
that DIC isn't even close to a decent compromise for a true HUD -- however, I don't really care about HUD's, so that wouldn't dissuade me. Just saying that the point of a HUD is allowing you to see info without removing your eyes from the road.

looks great in black. congrats.

:lol: :werd: i was about to add that.

Btw i saw one in person down in TN this weekend .... looked nice up close.

[Jeffro]

Why does it have GTO wheels on it? Or is that the standard GT wheel? We haven't gotten one that didn't have the sport package w/ 19's.

[Morgan]

I think the G8 is okay honestly, I just dont understand why everyone thinks its just absolutly amazing when it just looks like a grand prix?

[FirehawkNS]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
I think the G8 is okay honestly, I just dont understand why everyone thinks its just absolutly amazing when it just looks like a grand prix?

Reminds me of a BMW.

I like it.

[SphyNxXx]

Looks sharp. I wonder what the bolt pattern is for the wheels on G8s. Some nice aftermarket wheels would really set it off.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
I think the G8 is okay honestly, I just dont understand why everyone thinks its just absolutly amazing when it just looks like a grand prix?

because the car delivers a hell of a lot ,for around 30k.

:cool: congrats

i still have a hard on for white though

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q184/sloloco/CIMG2984.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q184/sloloco/CIMG2988.jpg

[nbmplano]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
because the car delivers a hell of a lot ,for around 30k.

:cool: congrats

i still have a hard on for white though

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q184/sloloco/CIMG2984.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q184/sloloco/CIMG2988.jpg

They should have filled in the center caps on the wheels with the wheel color. It looks kind of bad with that black/ grey center cap.

That thing would look real good with some offset HRE's or similar.

[Camaro68]

Congrats, looks great.

May look into one when the manual comes out.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
I think the G8 is okay honestly, I just dont understand why everyone thinks its just absolutly amazing when it just looks like a grand prix?

It looks nothing like a Grand Prix. Stop being retarded.

[Minty Fresh]

It's a great looking car....but damn, Pontiac has some of the worst factory wheels. Ugh. Almost as bad as the GTO's flowers.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Minty Fresh
It's a great looking car....but damn, Pontiac has some of the worst factory wheels. Ugh. Almost as bad as the GTO's flowers.

the V6 10 spoke wheels are better looking than the V8 version IMO

[keliente]

Congrats!! What options do you have? It looks a little different than mine. I do agree it's a sweet ride though :cool:

[Hobbes]

Not a fan of the stocker wheels, but the car does look great

[BLK98TA]

dude- is that a rental car? :confused:

the key ring looks like a rental tag :o

[Harmon Rabb]

how's the interior quality? is it on par with the gto? the production interior isn't looking as good as the earlier posted pictures showed.

[MapleRed]

Looks sharp in black. :cool:

[Vindicated]

Overall I like it. Especially in white :yup:

Does it have HIDs?? Or are they just projector based halogen headlights?

My main gripe is the taillights, I hate that kind of shit.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Morpheus
It looks nothing like a Grand Prix. Stop being retarded.

:think:

did you look at the pics posted up there :look:

Im not being retarded, you cant tell me those arent very similiar ;)

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
I think the G8 is okay honestly, I just dont understand why everyone thinks its just absolutly amazing when it just looks like a grand prix?

v8, rwd, midsized sedan with a decent interior for $30k. that's why everybody likes the car.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
v8, rwd, midsized sedan with a decent interior for $30k. that's why everybody likes the car.

yeah there is quite a few autos out there that fit that realm

[Morgan]

its just funny how everyone hates on the new camaro and cries out for something more "concept"

and then when they deliver a good looking production model everyone bashes it and runs back to a normal looking pontiac :dunno:

the bandwagon is stong here

[keliente]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
yeah there is quite a few autos out there that fit that realm

Who else makes a car like that rated at 361 hp for $31k MSRP?

[BlueThunder99TA]

Originally posted by BLK98TA
dude- is that a rental car? :confused:

the key ring looks like a rental tag :o

that & the no-smoking signs, looks like an Enterprise rental to me.:cool:

[CT Morgan]

I'll also say that the commercials for the G8 during the Tourney were very good. :D

I hate the wheels, but so few cars come from the factory with decent rollers these days. It's an easy and common change.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
its just funny how everyone hates on the new camaro and cries out for something more "concept"

and then when they deliver a good looking production model everyone bashes it and runs back to a normal looking pontiac :dunno:

the bandwagon is stong here

The G8 looks infinitely better than anything we've seen relating to the production Camaro. They should have left the Camaro dead instead of creating the "cloning gone wrong" mutant we've seen so far.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
the bandwagon is stong here
What damn "bandwagon" are you talking about? If you don't like the car that's your business but don't start making silly ass assumptions about people.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
its just funny how everyone hates on the new camaro and cries out for something more "concept"

and then when they deliver a good looking production model everyone bashes it and runs back to a normal looking pontiac :dunno:

the bandwagon is stong here

the g8 is cool, modern, and will sell very well. the camaro is too little, too retro, too late, and will unfortunately fail (imho).

what's going to be funny is when the G8 GT outperforms the base v8 camaro :bwahaha:

[kasim]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
the g8 is cool, modern, and will sell very well. the camaro is too little, too retro, too late, and will unfortunately fail (imho).

what's going to be funny is when the G8 GT outperforms the base v8 camaro :bwahaha:

God that will be sad if it does ... i do hope it succeeds ... how is the gas mileage in those?

[Morgan]

Originally posted by keliente
Who else makes a car like that rated at 361 hp for $31k MSRP?

Acura is planning one, dont know about the price though.


imposter: the bandwagon refers to one following the majority of a group of people.

take a look at this site whom all pretty much hate the camaro, roll over to camaro5.com and take a look at all the nutswingers who love it.

Id rather have the camaro than a g8 over and over again.

[kasim]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
Acura is planning one, dont know about the price though.



:lol: an acura one of that power would be NO WHERE near $31k

.. gee i guess the M5 would be one as well eh?

[tyman]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
Acura is planning one, dont know about the price though.



Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
yeah there is quite a few autos out there that fit that realm


I thought there were quite a few.....and now its changed to "Acura is planning one..."

lmfao


It looks very, very little like the Grand Prix. And the new Camaro sucks ass.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by tyman
I thought there were quite a few.....and now its changed to "Acura is planning one..."

lmfao


It looks very, very little like the Grand Prix. And the new Camaro sucks ass.

the stipulation in price would significantly cut down my claim and was posted after I had said that ;)

you havent seen the new camaro, youve seen spy pics, the gto has muscle, the challenger does, the charger, there are quite a few cars out there with significant get up. Do you want to add more stipulations to narrow down choices? If so then rule out anything used such as a c5, subarus, and evos.

and yes, Im sorry but the same styling cues from the grand prix are evident in the g8. Just like the goat ;)

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
Acura is planning one, dont know about the price though.


imposter: the bandwagon refers to one following the majority of a group of people.

take a look at this site whom all pretty much hate the camaro, roll over to camaro5.com and take a look at all the nutswingers who love it.

Id rather have the camaro than a g8 over and over again.

head on over to clubsi and take a look at all the nutswingers who love hondas :Picard: having nutswingers does not make a car worthy.

i think i speak for most of the 5th gen "haters" on here when i say that we dislike the car because:

-back end looks bad
-interior spy shots look horrible. radio is awful looking, and i can't believe they kept the gauges from the concept in that awful console location.
-too retro. retro is dead. this would've been cool 5 years ago. not now.
-too fucking heavy

whereas the G8:

-looks sexy. it's the first pontiac with that pontiac nose that actually looks good.
-interior is pretty good.
-modern. not retro.
-heavy, but at least it's a sedan.
-was announced and built in short order, unlike the announced forever ago 5th gen.

i still say that the results will be:
5th gen, epic fail
G8, epic success

[Morgan]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
head on over to clubsi and take a look at all the nutswingers who love hondas :Picard: having nutswingers does not make a car worthy.

i think i speak for most of the 5th gen "haters" on here when i say that we dislike the car because:

-back end looks bad
-interior spy shots look horrible. radio is awful looking, and i can't believe they kept the gauges from the concept in that awful console location.
-too retro. retro is dead. this would've been cool 5 years ago. not now.
-too fucking heavy

whereas the G8:

-looks sexy. it's the first pontiac with that pontiac nose that actually looks good.
-interior is pretty good.
-modern. not retro.
-heavy, but at least it's a sedan.
-was announced and built in short order, unlike the announced forever ago 5th gen.

i still say that the results will be:
5th gen, epic fail
G8, epic success

I can understand all that...

Maybe I just like sports cars, and have always been a camaro fan. Give me a stock Gen5 camaro and the aftermarket is going to explode. Honestly I would hate to see the new camaro be pimped out as horribly as the mustang, with 1 in 5 cars out there being a shitty mustang. Hopefully your low expectations of a camaro will give me exactly what I want.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
imposter: the bandwagon refers to one following the majority of a group of people.

I know what it means, and since you obviously do too then you should realize what little sense it makes for you to say that.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
I can understand all that...

Maybe I just like sports cars, and have always been a camaro fan. Give me a stock Gen5 camaro and the aftermarket is going to explode. Honestly I would hate to see the new camaro be pimped out as horribly as the mustang, with 1 in 5 cars out there being a shitty mustang. Hopefully your low expectations of a camaro will give me exactly what I want.

camaro isn't a "sports car." never has been, never will be. it's far too heavy. it's a ponycar ;)

so you hope that my low expectations will make the camaro a sales failure, unlike the stang? :hmm:

[Morgan]

Originally posted by IMPOSTER
I know what it means, and since you obviously do too then you should realize what little sense it makes for you to say that.

LS2 is a bandwagon, thats not new :lol:

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
LS2 is a bandwagon, thats not new :lol:
Mmhmm, gotcha. ;)

[tyman]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
the stipulation in price would significantly cut down my claim and was posted after I had said that ;)

you havent seen the new camaro, youve seen spy pics, the gto has muscle, the challenger does, the charger, there are quite a few cars out there with significant get up. Do you want to add more stipulations to narrow down choices? If so then rule out anything used such as a c5, subarus, and evos.

and yes, Im sorry but the same styling cues from the grand prix are evident in the g8. Just like the goat ;)

I havent liked the new Camaro since day 1 prototype, it's disgusting.


And the price stipulation was in the quote that you quoted, how was it added afterwards? :confused:


What styling cues are those? The dual grille split by Pontiac's logo? Pontiac's logo on the car?
Otherwise, it looks virtually nothing like a Grand prix. ;)

[Harmon Rabb]

if only evyl could see the 5th gen hating going on in here :bwahaha: :bwahaha:

[BLK98TA]

:rant: is that a damn rental or what? :iraqi:

[BLK98TA]

Alamo rental? :hmm:

[5.0THIS]

Originally posted by BLK98TA
:rant: is that a damn rental or what? :iraqi:


I think it is. I thought he was talking about it in another thread... I dont think he owns it...

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by FirehawkNS
Reminds me of a BMW.

I like it.

It is absolutely nothing like a BMW in any respect.

[DANSBIRD]

I'm kinda w/ Morgan on this one.... IMO, its nothing more than a high powered Grand Prix :shrug: It really does little for me.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
It is absolutely nothing like a BMW in any respect.

the suspension is very similar to a 5-series

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by DANSBIRD
I'm kinda w/ Morgan on this one.... IMO, its nothing more than a high powered Grand Prix :shrug: It really does little for me.

:umm:

a different chassis, engine, transmission, and drivetrain setup makes it exactly the same w/ more power?

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
the suspension is very similar to a 5-series

It's nothing like a BMW. It's a value-priced Pontiac sedan with some pep. I'm glad American car fans have a passable sedan now outside the '08 CTS.

[DrFrag]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
It's nothing like a BMW. It's a value-priced Pontiac sedan with some pep. I'm glad American car fans have a passable sedan now outside the '08 CTS.

"blue car on order" :spit:

[DustinWS6]

I really like the G8. Would love to have one as a DD, while I modded the WS6 more

[DANSBIRD]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
:umm:

a different chassis, engine, transmission, and drivetrain setup makes it exactly the same w/ more power?


:boggled: please show me exactly where I said "its exactly the same w/ more power". I can read. I understand the differences, It looks a lot like a GP, but is rwd & has a larger engine... (yes, we can go over each and every detail individually if youd like, but lets not. IMO (means IN MY OPINION) its nothing more than a high powered Grand Prix.


I find it rather amusing that people will call a GTO a Grand Prix in a heartbeat, but say that about a G8 and they take offense :rotfl:

[Heracles]

Wow, it does look great in white! Its retarded that there is no navigation or satellite radio..other than that, this is a great bang for the buck! Sharp ride.

[Heracles]

_Actually the biggest BEEF I have with the G8, and im so curious to see if anyone else agrees-

Its the gay cheap plasticky shift knob- they could of done better- maybe it looks better in person??

Other than that its bad ass! :D

[XLR8TOR]

Resale value is already being killed.

[numbZ]

I like it.

[TOPPED_OUT]

Originally posted by XLR8TOR
Resale value is already being killed.

QFT....I wonder if that rental is one of the "888" :rolleyes:

[cm_ls1]

the suspension is very bmw - like

mc-pherson strut ( but the virtual pivot point type) which was made famous by the previous m5's great handling, and chapman multilink suspension in the rear, unlike the gto's antiquated trailing arm setup, also steering mounted forward of the front axle gives razor sharp handling.

chassis engineers have accomplished the luxury smoothness, great linear handling and steering feel into a well balanced package.

lol for 30K !!!

i think the g8 with go up in price next year.

a lot is riding on the G8 doing well in the US , and i think they are taking a hit on each one they sell until it catches on.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
the suspension is very bmw - like

mc-pherson strut ( but the virtual pivot point type) which was made famous by the previous m5's great handling, and chapman multilink suspension in the rear, unlike the gto's antiquated trailing arm setup, also steering mounted forward of the front axle gives razor sharp handling.

chassis engineers have accomplished the luxury smoothness, great linear handling and steering feel into a well balanced package.

lol for 30K !!!

i think the g8 with go up in price next year.

a lot is riding on the G8 doing well in the US , and i think they are taking a hit on each one they sell until it catches on.

So they've incorporated technology from a car that ended production over five years ago?

It's not like a BMW. At all. It's a decent sedan with a good powerplant and transmission. A BMW provides all sorts of technologies and luxuries that this car does not. Furthermore, the Pontiac does not provide any semblance of class or prestige, something a BMW offers (and this isn't about whether anyone should care about it or not, that's just the reality).

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE THIS CAR WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A BMW. It was meant to be a well-performing sedan for blue-collar automotive enthusiasts that need the space for a family or whatnot. Pontiac, at the least, didn't roll out a piece of crap like they have always done, sans the GTO.

Then again, since this is another Holden vehicle, I give very little credit to Pontiac. It's no surprise the only two cars I think Pontiac has done a good job on are two cars that hail from Down Under.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE THIS CAR WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A BMW. It was meant to be a well-performing sedan for blue-collar automotive enthusiasts that need the space for a family or whatnot. Pontiac, at the least, didn't roll out a piece of crap like they have always done, sans the GTO.

Then again, since this is another Holden vehicle, I give very little credit to Pontiac. It's no surprise the only two cars I think Pontiac has done a good job on are two cars that hail from Down Under.
:werd: Couldn't agree more.

[keliente]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
Acura is planning one, dont know about the price though.



O rly? Because before you said there were a lot of cars that fit that realm but you can only name one example that *might* happen. :hmm:

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
yeah there is quite a few autos out there that fit that realm

[keliente]

Originally posted by FLEX
_Actually the biggest BEEF I have with the G8, and im so curious to see if anyone else agrees-

Its the gay cheap plasticky shift knob- they could of done better- maybe it looks better in person??

Other than that its bad ass! :D

I think it's a different interior package, mine isn't like that. It's leather wrapped, it looks pretty nice imo.

[Morgan]

Originally posted by keliente
O rly? Because before you said there were a lot of cars that fit that realm but you can only name one example that *might* happen. :hmm:

read the thread















*no you didnt read it or you would have seen my responses ;)

[Potent68]

Originally posted by IMPOSTER
What damn "bandwagon" are you talking about? If you don't like the car that's your business but don't start making silly ass assumptions about people.

If you don't think there is a fucking bandwagon full of people rolling around the CG hating on the new Camaro spy shots, and the way GM is doing the Camaro so far, you're smoking something good. :sorry:

Tom

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by Potent68
If you don't think there is a fucking bandwagon full of people rolling around the CG hating on the new Camaro spy shots, and the way GM is doing the Camaro so far, you're smoking something good. :sorry:

Tom
I don't think there is some "bandwagon" and anyone who does is smoking some better shit that I am. What I do think is that the people who don't like the 5th tend to be louder than those who do. I still don't see where this mystical bandwagon fits in. There are plenty of people here who like the 5th Gen, and I'm one of'em. I think it is just plain DUMB to make such a suggestion just because people are in here complimenting the GT (which is where this all began).

[Potent68]

Originally posted by IMPOSTER
I don't think there is some "bandwagon" and anyone who does is smoking some better shit that I am. What I do think is that the people who don't like the 5th tend to be louder than those who do. I still don't see where this mystical bandwagon fits in. There are plenty of people here who like the 5th Gen, and I'm one of'em. I think it is just plain DUMB to make such a suggestion just because people are in here complimenting the GT (which is where this all began).

I guess I should clarify that my statement did not evolve solely from this thread. I do NOT believe for a minute that we really have that many interior snobs here who are truly going to hate on this new Camaro because of that. That is just one example, obviously, but if you get enough people yelling something loud enough, long enough, eventually the people will start to follow. :shrug:

Tom

[shuck]

Originally posted by IMPOSTER
I don't think there is some "bandwagon" and anyone who does is smoking some better shit that I am. What I do think is that the people who don't like the 5th tend to be louder than those who do. I still don't see where this mystical bandwagon fits in. There are plenty of people here who like the 5th Gen, and I'm one of'em. I think it is just plain DUMB to make such a suggestion just because people are in here complimenting the GT (which is where this all began).

If you really don't believe that there is a group of people that just sit in here and hate on anything GM then you are totally clueless. Hell this isn't really a GM site anymore, you come into CG and post something about GM then you will get negative posts and people trolling and flaming you, this is nothing new.

Here if you don't like the Camaro and say it is ugly that is ok but if you say that about the GT-R then you are a hater:rolleyes:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by shuck
Hell this isn't really a GM site anymore, you come into CG and post something about GM then you will get negative posts and people trolling and flaming you, this is nothing new.


o rly? been into any of the G8 threads? because all you'll find there is large amounts of praise.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
o rly? been into any of the G8 threads? because all you'll find there is large amounts of praise.

how can there be any haters for the g8 .. i mean just look at it !

and when your done looking at it ... think about whats under the hood

http://www.nymcgp.com/media/080324_autoshow/080324_autoshow_17.jpg

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
Furthermore, the Pontiac does not provide any semblance of class or prestige, something a BMW offers (and this isn't about whether anyone should care about it or not, that's just the reality).\

Take that car to Germany and see what the Germans think about it compared to BMWs. Last time I was there I saw a CTS 3.6DI and all the Germans were very distracted by it. I asked a couple what they thought about it were raving about how it was superior to their BMWs/MBs. There is no absolute concerning class/prestige and if you realize that, it becomes harder to chose a car for image over actual merit.

[kasim]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Take that car to Germany and see what the Germans think about it compared to BMWs. Last time I was there I saw a CTS 3.6DI and all the Germans were very distracted by it. I asked a couple what they thought about it were raving about how it was superior to their BMWs/MBs. There is no absolute concerning class/prestige and if you realize that, it becomes harder to chose a car for image over actual merit.

I agree with you to an extent.

Prestige is something that is very random from country to country.

Again ... take Mercedes ... here its a big luxury cars. In the middle east just about everything is mercedes ... taxis, trucks, etc .... big deal. In saudi Arabia the status symbol for a while was big ole Suburbans. All the wealthy saudis had those to go dune riding in.

[Morgan]

Thanks Tom and shuck, exactly backing up my claim:cool:

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by kasim
I agree with you to an extent.

Well to an extent is right, you have to take into account other factors. In the US BMW and MB only sell their vehicles as luxury vehicles, so they only sell with high options/packages for premium prices. At the same price level you will find that other makes make competitive made/equipped cars. However, many people get the misconception that since BMW/MB only sell luxury, that their vehicles are engineered for luxury. However, they, like every other large car maker, are global and have similar practices. The engineering isn't inherently better, which is especially apparent once you look at warranty and reliability data. The only thing truly different is image because of the region.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Well to an extent is right, you have to take into account other factors. In the US BMW and MB only sell their vehicles as luxury vehicles, so they only sell with high options/packages for premium prices. At the same price level you will find that other makes make competitive made/equipped cars. However, many people get the misconception that since BMW/MB only sell luxury, that their vehicles are engineered for luxury. However, they, like every other large car maker, are global and have similar practices. The engineering isn't inherently better, which is especially apparent once you look at warranty and reliability data. The only thing truly different is image because of the region.

looking at reliability data, the only luxury car manufacturer with superior engineering is Lexus, which kicks ass and takes names in that department :lol:

btw, most BMW's and MB's *ARE* engineered for luxury. Perhaps you can argue that the C class and 3/1 series aren't, but anything beyond those base models is.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
looking at reliability data, the only luxury car manufacturer with superior engineering is Lexus, which kicks ass and takes names in that department :lol:

btw, most BMW's and MB's *ARE* engineered for luxury. Perhaps you can argue that the C class and 3/1 series aren't, but anything beyond those base models is.

Engineered for the price point would probably be a more accurate statement IMO as luxury is very subjective, its hard to pinpoint where normal ends and luxury begans.

[Spectre]

Originally posted by BLK98TA
:rant: is that a damn rental or what? :iraqi:

Damn cop... roots me out as a poser. :slap: :D

Yes its a rental car - there's another thread here where I mentioned as such. I suppose I should've mentioned it in my initial post in this thread, but just didn't think to. The car is actually my co-workers rental car and we swapped cars (mine is a GP GXP) for the week. My co-worker got lucky and persuaded the manager of the rental car lot to give him the G8 which was on display. As far as I can tell the G8 I have has very few options... there is a sunroof and a 6 disc CD changer (not sure if thats standard or not).

According to my co-worker the manager told him they had received 3 G8's total. I think its a smart move on Pontiacs part to give a few G8's to the rental fleet because it gives a lot of people the chance to drive one for a few days and see how fun the car really is.

A few interesting things I've found about this car:

- locking the car also locks the gas door - the first time I've seen this on a car in this price range

- rear seat has more room than a Grand Prix; drove myself and 3 other full size guys to lunch without any gripes

- the center console storage bin has a 12v plug inside to you can charge your cellphone, GPS, etc with the lid closed

I'll post some more impressions up later. If you guys have any specific requests for pictures of the G8, let me know today. I've got to give the car back to my co-worker tomorrow. :(

[kasim]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Engineered for the price point would probably be a more accurate statement IMO as luxury is very subjective, its hard to pinpoint where normal ends and luxury begans.


:werd: ... again Mercedes sells tons of cars used for taxis and trucks. I hardly think those are engineered for "luxury"

heck we sell tons of them in the west bank.

[kasim]

Originally posted by Spectre
I think its a smart move on Pontiacs part to give a few G8's to the rental fleet because it gives a lot of people the chance to drive one for a few days and see how fun the car really is.


While rentals are starting to move to have descent cars in their lots.

Traditionally you can tell your car isnt that good if its a fleet car. (rental or company cars). Because those cars are getting their sales as that not as real consumler sales.

Thats how the taurus survived for soo long. And the grand am.

I think its a mistake at this point to give any of them as rentals. It puts that cheap image back into peoples heads

[keliente]

Originally posted by MorganSSeiki
read the thread



*no you didnt read it or you would have seen my responses ;)

I did read the thread. I saw you compare it to cars that were two door, more expensive, less powerful, and otherwise, "not in the realm of the G8 GT".

Which means your original statement does not hold water.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by kasim
I think its a mistake at this point to give any of them as rentals. It puts that cheap image back into peoples heads

As long as only a small handful end up as rentals, it may be beneficial, but only if they have them at a higher rental tier. Last rental car I had was a new CTS and a lot of people were in it, most had never been in a new CTS before and were impressed with it. I think that sort of interaction is beneficial. When you think about rental cars, the people renting the higher tier vehicles are many times people travelling on business who will be traveling to clients/customers/etc.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by shuck
If you really don't believe that there is a group of people that just sit in here and hate on anything GM then you are totally clueless. Hell this isn't really a GM site anymore, you come into CG and post something about GM then you will get negative posts and people trolling and flaming you, this is nothing new.

Here if you don't like the Camaro and say it is ugly that is ok but if you say that about the GT-R then you are a hater:rolleyes:
I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but in this case you are the one who is clueless, shuck. Seeing as you missed the part where I mentioned that the detractors here tend to be louder than the supporters. Clearly that is an acknowledgment of sorts. Again, him coming in here and saying that because people are complimenting the G8 has anything to do with a bandwagon, not working. As far as this not being a GM site, well that's for you to deal with. The G8 happens to be a GM car and if you cruise recent threads you will see some very positive comments. Matter of fact, you will see plenty compliments in this thread until someone showed up talking out of their ass because they were apparently annoyed by all the positive G8 talk.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by IMPOSTER
I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but in this case you are the one who is clueless, shuck. Seeing as you missed the part where I mentioned that the detractors here tend to be louder than the supporters. Clearly that is an acknowledgment of sorts. Again, him coming in here and saying that because people are complimenting the G8 has anything to do with a bandwagon, not working. As far as this not being a GM site, well that's for you to deal with. The G8 happens to be a GM car and if you cruise recent threads you will see some very positive comments. Matter of fact, you will see plenty compliments in this thread until someone showed up talking out of their ass because they were apparently annoyed by all the positive G8 talk.

Shuck doesn't care that we praise the G8; he cares that we have the audacity to not be in love with the 5th gen :nilly:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by shuck
Here if you don't like the Camaro and say it is ugly that is ok but if you say that about the GT-R then you are a hater:rolleyes:

actually, you're a hater if you discount the GT-R's performance. anybody's opinion about its looks is subjective and i don't think anybody would be labeled a hater for saying that the GT-R is ugly.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by kasim
While rentals are starting to move to have descent cars in their lots.

Traditionally you can tell your car isnt that good if its a fleet car. (rental or company cars). Because those cars are getting their sales as that not as real consumler sales.

Thats how the taurus survived for soo long. And the grand am.

I think its a mistake at this point to give any of them as rentals. It puts that cheap image back into peoples heads

The rentals will be in limited numbers though. As far as letting rental companies buy them, GM can't stop that if the rental company is willing to go and buy them at whatever the dealer wants to sell it for. I'm betting that these cars aren't typical fleet orders. I'd have to have the VIN to know for sure though.

Also, I've seen Ferraris, Lambos, Vipers and Vettes as rental cars. Does that cheapen them? I think not. What hurts a car in rental service is when you see a huge number of them.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
actually, you're a hater if you discount the GT-R's performance. anybody's opinion about its looks is subjective and i don't think anybody would be labeled a hater for saying that the GT-R is ugly.

Exactly.

No one has to "like" any car. The "hate" comments only come up when someone makes complete bullshit negative comments about the performance... or insanely sarcastic remarks suggesting that supporters consider the GT-R the fastest car on the planet or that it rolls on water. :rolleyes:

And for the record, I think the 5th Gen Camaro is ugly as hell and the interior looks like ass. In contrast I think the G8 is an excellent looking product. I don't hate GM; I just hate ugly offerings from GM. :p

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
o rly? been into any of the G8 threads? because all you'll find there is large amounts of praise.

Yes because the only threads in CG are G8 threads. You can play dumb all you want but you know it is the truth.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
And for the record, I think the 5th Gen Camaro is ugly as hell and the interior looks like ass. In contrast I think the G8 is an excellent looking product. I don't hate GM; I just hate ugly offerings from GM. :p

I think there's plenty of record with your opinion on this. I'll bet 10% of your post count is this exact quote spread across this forum. :p

[IMPOSTER]

lol

[shuck]

Originally posted by IMPOSTER
I tend to agree with you on a lot of things but in this case you are the one who is clueless, shuck. Seeing as you missed the part where I mentioned that the detractors here tend to be louder than the supporters. Clearly that is an acknowledgment of sorts. Again, him coming in here and saying that because people are complimenting the G8 has anything to do with a bandwagon, not working. As far as this not being a GM site, well that's for you to deal with. The G8 happens to be a GM car and if you cruise recent threads you will see some very positive comments. Matter of fact, you will see plenty compliments in this thread until someone showed up talking out of their ass because they were apparently annoyed by all the positive G8 talk.

I am not the clueless one, I can see that this site has done a total 180 since it started. It is supposed to be a GM site that you can talk about other cars in, but if you look thru the threads if you make a joke about a Mustang, Supra, Viper and you own a GM product they will flame you and insult you, if you say something about a cars interior and you own an F-body then you will get the.......you own a F-body with a piece of shit interior......but if you like or own a Toyota, Ford, MB or BMW then you are ok.

The detractors are noticed more because there are more of them, and most times it is the same group of people. It is excepted now that if you support GM or like one of their products on LS2 then expect to get shit for it.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by shuck
Yes because the only threads in CG are G8 threads. You can play dumb all you want but you know it is the truth.

shall i remind you of what you posted?

Originally posted by shuck
If you really don't believe that there is a group of people that just sit in here and hate on anything GM then you are totally clueless. Hell this isn't really a GM site anymore, you come into CG and post something about GM then you will get negative posts and people trolling and flaming you, this is nothing new.


I just gave many examples of "posting something about gm" and not receiving negative posts, trolling, or flaming.

really, what gm products are discussed in here? the g8 and the 5th gen. we like the g8. we generally think the 5th gen sucks. sorry. :shrug:

i also think the new C class mb is disappointing. i think that BMW has no clue how to design a stylish interior and that their center stacks look the same as they did 20 years ago. i think the Lexus suv (gx?) is pathetic in comparison to the mb offerings, or, hell, even an escalade. i think infiniti's reliability record is shit. i think toyota doesn't make one product i'd consider purchasing, and that the tundra has proven itself to be a pos. i think that the civic si is lame in comparison to, say, the speed-3. i think the new dodge avenger is laughably bad.

and, yes, i think the 5th gen sucks. i'm an equal opportunity hater and call it like i see it.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
Shuck doesn't care that we praise the G8; he cares that we have the audacity to not be in love with the 5th gen :nilly:

Thank you for proving my point.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
actually, you're a hater if you discount the GT-R's performance. anybody's opinion about its looks is subjective and i don't think anybody would be labeled a hater for saying that the GT-R is ugly.

So either you don't read the threads or you just don't know how to read.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I think there's plenty of record with your opinion on this. I'll bet 10% of your post count is this exact quote spread across this forum. :p

:o

LOL, that could be true. I'm clearly unhappy with GM about this.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by shuck
The detractors are noticed more because there are more of them, and most times it is the same group of people. It is excepted now that if you support GM or like one of their products on LS2 then expect to get shit for it.

what's laughable is that many of the people you group into this "group" OWN GM PRODUCTS. i do happen to own a c6.

and i fail to see anybody getting shit for liking the G8. in fact, i think that the entire "group" of people you are referring to (which includes, i'm quite sure, me, rob, and quadcammer) all fucking like the G8 and have made posts to that effect.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
I just gave many examples of "posting something about gm" and not receiving negative posts, trolling, or flaming.


:lol:

so I guess you want to compare the number of positive posts about GM in here compared to negative posts?

[shuck]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
what's laughable is that many of the people you group into this "group" OWN GM PRODUCTS. i do happen to own a c6.

and i fail to see anybody getting shit for liking the G8. in fact, i think that the entire "group" of people you are referring to (which includes, i'm quite sure, me, rob, and quadcammer) all fucking like the G8 and have made posts to that effect.

I think it is funny how you just named members off and I have yet to say a single persons name:rotfl:

[Heracles]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
how can there be any haters for the g8 .. i mean just look at it !

and when your done looking at it ... think about whats under the hood

http://www.nymcgp.com/media/080324_autoshow/080324_autoshow_17.jpg

That is the sweetest color EVAR!! I loved that on the GTO, and the WS6 too..

[FirehawkNS]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
It is absolutely nothing like a BMW in any respect.

Yes there is, it absolutely reminds me of one. Which is the statement I was making that has nothing to do with you thinking I am saying they are the exact same cars.

For someone that is going to be a lawyer, you sure do need to pay attention more.

[FirehawkNS]

Originally posted by shuck
It is excepted now that if you support GM or like one of their products on LS2 then expect to get shit for it.

So true. That's why I have moved on to other boards and sometimes come back here for BS posting. This board is a joke now when it comes to what it was geared to be for. It's like having an apple fan board with nothing but apple haters on it.

[chromemaro]

it looks good. bout time we get some holden-esque cars :D

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by FirehawkNS
Yes there is, it absolutely reminds me of one. Which is the statement I was making that has nothing to do with you thinking I am saying they are the exact same cars.

For someone that is going to be a lawyer, you sure do need to pay attention more.

Incorrect. I was merely indicating that your belief that the car reminds you of a BMW has absolutely no tangible proof or sensible connection.

I win. :p

[terps]

What a beauty! GM is hitting it out of the park these days with their designs...

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by shuck
I think it is funny how you just named members off and I have yet to say a single persons name:rotfl:

you know damn well that if you WERE to name names, all three of ours would be on your list. we'd probably be the top 3.

[FirehawkNS]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
Incorrect. I was merely indicating that your belief that the car reminds you of a BMW has absolutely no tangible proof or sensible connection.

I win. :p

No sir, you are very much Incorrect. You can not point out that it doesn't remind me of a BMW, because in fact it does. It has absolute tangible proof and sensible connection because it does in fact have the styling cues of a BMW IMO. And you can not say it doesn't have those points IMO, because they are MO.


You lose. :p

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by FirehawkNS
No sir, you are very much Incorrect. You can not point out that it doesn't remind me of a BMW, because in fact it does. It has absolute tangible proof and sensible connection because it does in fact have the styling cues of a BMW IMO. And you can not say it doesn't have those points IMO, because they are MO.


You lose. :p

a '78 pinto reminds me of a Ferrari F430. You cannot point out that it doesn't remind me of a F430, because in fact it does. It has absolute tangible proof and sensible connection because it does in fact have the styling cues of a F430 IMO. And you can not say it doesn't have those points IMO, because they are MO. You lose. Fail.

:hmm:

[FirehawkNS]

Originally posted by Harmon Rabb
a '78 pinto reminds me of a Ferrari F430. You cannot point out that it doesn't remind me of a F430, because in fact it does. It has absolute tangible proof and sensible connection because it does in fact have the styling cues of a F430 IMO. And you can not say it doesn't have those points IMO, because they are MO. You lose. Fail.

:hmm:

A 78 pinto reminds you of a F430??

Strange! :bwahaha:



;)

[LV2XLR8]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
how can there be any haters for the g8 .. i mean just look at it !

and when your done looking at it ... think about whats under the hood

http://www.nymcgp.com/media/080324_autoshow/080324_autoshow_17.jpg :drool:

[Jeremiah Weed]

Cool... starting to really like those, except for the fucking standard Pontiac reddish/orange instrument lighting. I HATE the orange instruments. Reminds me of the orange gauges in my old 1988 GrandPrix SE...

[Heracles]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
So they've incorporated technology from a car that ended production over five years ago?

It's not like a BMW. At all. It's a decent sedan with a good powerplant and transmission. A BMW provides all sorts of technologies and luxuries that this car does not. Furthermore, the Pontiac does not provide any semblance of class or prestige, something a BMW offers (and this isn't about whether anyone should care about it or not, that's just the reality).

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE THIS CAR WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A BMW. It was meant to be a well-performing sedan for blue-collar automotive enthusiasts that need the space for a family or whatnot. Pontiac, at the least, didn't roll out a piece of crap like they have always done, sans the GTO.

Then again, since this is another Holden vehicle, I give very little credit to Pontiac. It's no surprise the only two cars I think Pontiac has done a good job on are two cars that hail from Down Under.

A BMW offers more technologies such as? Besides a satellite radio and Nav, if you compare a 5 series to a G8 where do you see the tech advantage? Ive watched many tests on the G8 and all the expert testers said the G8 handles extremely well, and does feel/have the same characteristics of a Bimmer (suspension wise). Also, it earned great reviews in breaking and the slalom.
Just a fyi.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by FLEX
A BMW offers more technologies such as? Besides a satellite radio and Nav, if you compare a 5 series to a G8 where do you see the tech advantage? Ive watched many tests on the G8 and all the expert testers said the G8 handles extremely well, and does feel/have the same characteristics of a Bimmer (suspension wise). Also, it earned great reviews in breaking and the slalom.
Just a fyi.

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