2009 Pontiac G8 GXP packs 402 HP... and a third pedal!

[AlmostFamous]

The Northeast is the Pontiac division's largest market, and the brand -- which has played the stepchild in recent years, banished to the outer limits of exhibition halls -- is finally getting its own coming out party in New York next week. The resurgent Performance Division will flex its muscles at the Javits Center. Joining the 2010 G8 sport truck (and maybe another newcomer sporting the Arrowhead badge) is the highly-anticipated Pontiac G8 GXP.

The new Poncho flagship wears subtle visual tweaks including updated front and rear fascias plus the same 19" HSV wheels that were shown on the G8 concept. More importantly, the GXP packs GM's 6.2L LS3 V8 underhood. In this application (it's also in the Vette, where it makes even more power), the small-block punches out 402 horses and 400 lb-ft of torque rearward via a Tremec 6-speed manual gearbox or a HydraMatic 6L80 auto. (Add another 2 pound-feet of twist if you opt for the latter.) A fully-adjustable suspension helps keep the muscle sedan planted to the tarmac, and stopping power comes from the gang at Brembo. Look for an upgraded interior with glitzier trim and well-bolstered leather sport seats. A Pontiac stand littered with V8s? It's sure been a while. Welcome back to the party, guys. Let the wanton tire destruction begin!

We'll have plenty of live shots for you from the floor on Wednesday.


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PRESS RELEASE:
PONTIAC ANNOUNCES THE 2009 G8 GXP

High-Performance Flagship Combines Progressive Design and Powerful Performance

NEW YORK – Today Pontiac announced the flagship of its GXP performance series, the G8 GXP high-performance sedan, at the New York Auto Show. This 2009 model will join the Solstice, G6 and Torrent GXP models in Pontiac dealerships in late 2008. The G8 GXP takes the G8's responsive driving experience, refined passenger environment and aggressive good looks to a new level. It also delivers an enjoyable driving experience, thanks to a 6.2L V-8 that produces in excess of 400 horsepower.

"More than just raw power, the GXP delivers the sophisticated yet exciting driving experience that enthusiasts expect in a car costing far more than the GXP," said Jim Bunnell, Buick-Pontiac-GMC general manager

Engine performance

The heart of the G8 GXP is the 6.2L LS3 small-block V-8, currently rated at 402 horsepower (300 kW)* and 402 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm)* pending final SAE certification. This engine is the newest member of GM's small-block V-8 family. It features a revised, larger-bore cylinder block, high-flow, L92-style cylinder heads; larger-diameter pistons; unique camshaft and camshaft timing; revised valvetrain with offset intake rocker arms; high-flow intake manifold; and high-flow fuel injectors.

The LS3 engine has an aluminum cylinder block with cast-in-place iron cylinder liners. Larger bores help create a 376-cubic-inch displacement. The block casting also features revisions and machining in the bulkheads to enhance its strength and improve bay-to-bay breathing. New pistons were designed for high-rpm performance.

New, high-flow cylinder heads aid engine breathing and are based on the large port and valve design found on the LS7 engine and other GM L76 engines. The larger-capacity, straighter intake port-design optimizes intake flow to the combustion chamber, an effect augmented by large valves, measuring 2.16 inches (55.0 mm) on the intake side and 1.59 inches (40.4 mm) on the exhaust side.

Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph.

Six on the floor

A new six-speed Tremec TR6060 manual transmission is optional on the G8 GXP. This next-generation manual smoothly transfers the engine's power and torque to the rear wheels with a reduction in shift throw. The transmission features a host of refinements including premium gear synchronizers; stronger gears, housing, and bell housing; a single-piece counter shaft; and machined gear teeth.

The standard Hydra-Matic six-speed 6L80 automatic transmission is technologically advanced and robust. It uses a clutch-to-clutch operation and an integrated 32-bit transmission controller to deliver smooth and precise shifts. The six-speed has a generous 6.04:1 overall ratio that enables a "steep" first-gear. The result is strong launch acceleration along with "tall" overdrive ratios that lower engine rpms for better fuel economy and reduced noise.

A 3.27 final drive ratio comes with automatic-equipped GXPs, and a 3.70 gear is matched with the manual transmission. A limited-slip differential is standard.

High-performance suspension

The G8 GXP rides on the G8's 114.8-inch (2915 mm) wheelbase with wide front ( 62.7 inches / 1,592 mm) and rear ( 63.3 inches / 1,608 mm) tracks. The four-wheel independent suspension is fully adjustable and is tuned for the highest performance in the G8 family. The GXP's ride and handling was developed and validated on racetracks and highways around the world, including the famed Nürburgring racing circuit. It rewards the driver with sharp, immediate responses, as well as a well-balanced road feel during spirited driving.

The suspension employs a MacPherson strut design in the front and a four-link, coil-over-shock design in the rear. A direct-acting front stabilizer bar, decoupled rear stabilizer bar and lateral ball joints on the rear suspension deliver increased lateral stiffness for more responsive handling. The front suspension features fully adjustable caster, camber and toe; the rear suspension has fully adjustable camber and toe, for more precise tuning.

Steering and brakes

The steering rate for the GXP is tuned to provide immediate response with definitive driver feedback. Like the G8 sedan and GT, the GXP's steering box is located ahead of the front axle line for a quicker, more direct feel.

The Brembo braking system matches the GXP's boost in performance with an equivalent increase in stopping power. The system includes 14-inch (355 mm) vented front and 12.76-inch (324 mm) rear disc rotors, with special quad-piston alloy calipers in front. The alloy calipers on the rear brakes have single-piston actuation. The four-wheel disc brake system includes standard anti-lock brakes and traction control.

Wheels and tires

The GXP rides on 19-inch polished aluminum wheels with a special machined face. Performance-oriented summer P245/40R19 tires are standard, and a comparable all-season tire is available. Combined with the suspension and steering enhancements, this setup gives the GXP exceptional cornering grip.

Exterior styling

The G8 GXP exhibits strong Pontiac design cues. A unique front fascia with a lower splitter and a distinctive rear fascia diffuser contribute to its sporty look. The dual-port grille, fog lamps, bold wheels and confident, wheels-at-the-corners stance are all unmistakably Pontiac traits.

Interior amenities and comfort

The G8 GXP's interior is driver-oriented with aesthetic and tactile details like instruments with a sporty appearance that match the car's performance. Interior materials consist of satin and chrome trim and high-quality textured materials throughout. The instrument cluster glows with crisp, white light on the primary instruments. Pontiac's signature red lighting illuminates the rest of the instrument panel cluster.

Standard comfort and convenience amenities include:

* Highly bolstered two-tone sport seats with color-coordinated gauge cluster and GXP embroidery
* Leather-trimmed steering wheel and gear shifter
* Power-adjustable front seats
* Fog lamps
* Alloy sport pedals
* A 230-watt Blaupunkt audio system
* XM Satellite Radio

The seats offer firm support to hold occupants in place during aggressive cornering. The standard heated leather seats were designed to deliver excellent comfort during long drives. They are available in Ebony or an Ebony/Red two-tone.

Safety

Maintaining the G8's tradition of a full suite of standard safety features, the G8 GXP includes:

* Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and traction control
* Electronic stability control
* Seat-mounted thorax air bags and dual-stage frontal air bags for front passengers, with automatic passenger sensing system
* Roof rail side-impact air bags for both seating rows
* OnStar9


:eek: :) :D :cool: :thumbup:

[QWIKLS1]

Just in time for $4 gas.

:wootnaan:

[Kata Skopos]

400hp? why not shoot for srt8 #s? oh well, i still plan on pimping one eventually :D

[AlmostFamous]

Originally posted by needcash
400hp? why not shoot for srt8 #s? oh well, i still plan on pimping one eventually :D


It has the 430HP LS3. More than likely, the power difference between the GXP and Corvette is the same as the Camaro SS and Z28.

[cm_ls1]

does anyone seriously believe that 402hp # ? underrated

:D

[triggerjerk]

Smaller cam? Wimpy tune?:D

[cm_ls1]

"Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph."

and here conservative estimates from gm :)

[Robs98SS]

I'm Excited. This is probably going to be my next car. I will be between the G8 or a used CTS-V.

Way to go pontiac

[Kata Skopos]

side note: they didnt have a G8 to sit in at the MN auto show... just one on a stand :rolleyes: theyre going to be out SOON are they not :o

[BradL]

Is there a GXP coupe coming out? If so my next car will either be the 2010 Camaro, a vette or that.:cool:

[Kata Skopos]

on g8gt.com theres a thread about that. Theres chopped pics of one and some rumors IIRC

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by needcash
side note: they didnt have a G8 to sit in at the MN auto show... just one on a stand :rolleyes: theyre going to be out SOON are they not :o

They're out now. We have 2 sold ones on the ground right now.

[Hobbes]

Oh hell yes. I will take that exact color

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by Morpheus
They're out now. We have 2 sold ones on the ground right now.

which makes it 8 times lamer they didnt have at least 2 trim models to sit in here :rolleyes:

[Quadcammer]

not bad. I don't think I'd buy one, but it seems like a good package.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by needcash
which makes it 8 times lamer they didnt have at least 2 trim models to sit in here :rolleyes:

The cars have just now hit. the 2 we have are 2 of the 1st 888 with one of those being #83. They probably have quite a few show models on the circuit though. I'm guessing they didn't have one to sit in because you're area is most likely not a strong selling region for tese types of cars. The areas where RWD V8 sedans sell well are the regions that the car is getting the most showcase.

[Last of a Breed]

Obviously it's just a show car, but if the orange won't be offered on the '09 models, why is the GXP shown in orange? I was hoping to purchase one in orange but it doesn't look like Pontiac will be offering that color for '09.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by Last of a Breed
Obviously it's just a show car, but if the orange won't be offered on the '09 models, why is the GXP shown in orange? I was hoping to purchase one in orange but it doesn't look like Pontiac will be offering that color for '09.

It's a pre-production model but they could have an orange that's available on GXP only for next year. That color could also be the new Sport Red for 2009 but I don't know that for sure. There is still no orange listed on any model for 2009 on my screen.

[Sir Ringo]

:drool:

Pontiac has really built a wonderful car IMO. If I was in the market for a performance DD in that price range I think this car would be at the top of my list.

[Last of a Breed]

Originally posted by Morpheus
It's a pre-production model but they could have an orange that's available on GXP only for next year. That color could also be the new Sport Red for 2009 but I don't know that for sure. There is still no orange listed on any model for 2009 on my screen.

Early next year as an '10 model or '09? Has GM offered different colors mid cycle?

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by Last of a Breed
Early next year as an '10 model or '09? Has GM offered different colors mid cycle?

The car will be an 09 model and should hit showrooms early 09. I was told possibly as early as Dec this year but that was a long shot. More like late jan, early feb.

GM has changed/added colors mid-cycle before but I don't know if Holden has a habit of doing that.

[Blade]

Not overrated. GM uses the new SAE system or whatever for all of their cars now.

It probably just has more restrictive exhaust or a more conservative tune.

I like it. :cool:

How much $$$ is it?

[5.0THIS]

God I hope they didnt do something to neuter the LS3 as far as smaller cam or something inside the motor. Hopefully it is all in the exhaust or intake, maybe tune.

[Last of a Breed]

Originally posted by Morpheus
The car will be an 09 model and should hit showrooms early 09. I was told possibly as early as Dec this year but that was a long shot. More like late jan, early feb.

GM has changed/added colors mid-cycle before but I don't know if Holden has a habit of doing that.

Thanks. Man, I don't know what to do now. G8 GXP, Camaro coming out, CTS. Then there's always the Vette.

[TOPPED_OUT]

:cool: I would DEFINATELY consider buying one of those.

[SIK02SS]

:drool:

[Davy_Baby9]

Originally posted by TopleSS
Is there a GXP coupe coming out? If so my next car will either be the 2010 Camaro, a vette or that.:cool:

I believe the coupe version on the zeta platform will be called the GTO.

[krispycobalt]

Should had the same 430hp config as the vette, there really isn't enough difference between 361 and 402 unless its underrated.

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
"Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph."

and here conservative estimates from gm :)

Same exact conservative 0-60 and 1/4 mile estimates that the LS2 GTO had :) That means it's definitely underrated by a few horses...

but then again, 3.72 gears are pretty aggressive

[Checkmate]

That orange MUST be available on the Camaro.

[IMPOSTER]

Ok, I am really liking this car. :cool:

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Should had the same 430hp config as the vette, there really isn't enough difference between 361 and 402 unless its underrated.

Yet the fact that you can only get a manual tranny on the GXP is a huge difference. The HP difference will most likely be because of the exhaust. Free it up and I'm sure it will help a lot.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Yet the fact that you can only get a manual tranny on the GXP is a huge difference. The HP difference will most likely be because of the exhaust. Free it up and I'm sure it will help a lot.

Shouldnt have to modify the car to get the performance out of it it should have from the factory IMO.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Shouldnt have to modify the car to get the performance out of it it should have from the factory IMO.

WTF world do you live in and why are you posting on a website where 99% of the members have modded their car at some point in time?

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Yet the fact that you can only get a manual tranny on the GXP is a huge difference. The write-up mentions a 6-speed auto will be available.

edit: nm, I misread your post.

[IMPOSTER]

Just showed the car to my wife and these were her exact words: "Is that a Grand Am?".

:Picard:

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Shouldnt have to modify the car to get the performance out of it it should have from the factory IMO.

A majority of the cars on the road are choked by their exhausts and subject to other "de-tuning" practices to meet noise output goals and emissions standards. You can't please the masses by building all your cars with longtubes and single chambered mufflers.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Shouldnt have to modify the car to get the performance out of it it should have from the factory IMO.

Considering the GT is nearly as fast as a SRT-8 Charger; this car will have performance that easily is the best in it's price class. Maybe some of the other vehicles need a performance enhancement? Sounds like this thing is going to be fairly serious despite any published rating.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124883/pageNumber=1

Forget for a moment that in every performance category the G8 GT walks all over the Charger R/T. Go ahead and overlook the G8's more aggressive decoration and attractively sinister countenance. Just concentrate your mind on this: The Pontiac is cheaper. Its $29,995 base price is $1,460 under the cost of a Charger R/T, and the as-tested price of this red G8 GT is a thick $3,810 less than the as-tested price of this Charger R/T.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Morpheus
WTF world do you live in and why are you posting on a website where 99% of the members have modded their car at some point in time?

What does this have to do with modding anything? This has to do with GM should be aiming for. The car should have come with 430hp as the LS3 in the vette has that. The exhaust noise output the vette already has a quiet exhaust so I would have a hard time believing the HP drop is from a more restrictive exhaust. Its main competition has 425hp, why does this have less? If GM wants to succeed they need to aim to be better than every competitor in every category without exception, including minor HP differences. It is minor, but 'minor' drawbacks is what GM 100% should avoid if they want to succeed.

[Speedfreak]

Looks like they might have a winner there. Get some 17's on there and black out the rice tails!

Hate to see what the msrp is gonna be :mad:

[PMD Power]

I hope it doesn't cost too much over the G8 GT, only an advertised 30 more hp doesn't seem worth it if the other G8'S are getting a stick soon as well.

[Potent68]

Go GM!!! If I could justify having another vehicle right now I would DEFINITELY be buying one! :drool:

Tom

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by PMD Power
I hope it doesn't cost too much over the G8 GT, only an advertised 30 more hp doesn't seem worth it if the other G8'S are getting a stick soon as well.

No stick on the G8 GT. The Active Fuel Management will not work with a manual.

[TOPPED_OUT]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Considering the GT is nearly as fast as a SRT-8 Charger; this car will have performance that easily is the best in it's price class. Maybe some of the other vehicles need a performance enhancement? Sounds like this thing is going to be fairly serious despite any published rating.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124883/pageNumber=1


Charger R/T maybe....but SRT-8????

Now, this GXP could very well be a contender...

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by TOPPED_OUT
Charger R/T maybe....but SRT-8????

Now, this GXP could very well be a contender...

The G8 GT already spanks the crap out of the Charger R/T. The SRT-8 is only a tiny bit faster than the GT.

Thrust Control
Behind the G8's V8 rests GM's simply outstanding 6L80 six-speed automatic transmission. This is the same tranny GM puts in the Corvette. It's even geared the same, with 5th and 6th gears both being overdrives.

Left in Drive, the 6L80 executes crisp, quick shifts that keep dang near peak torque traveling back to the 2.92:1 final-drive gears back inside a limited-slip differential. GM has always made outstanding automatics, but this one is the best ever. And it gets better when shifted manually.

With the gearshift lever in automanual mode (no paddle shifters), the powertrain control module will blip the throttle for precise downshifts and hold the gear until the driver is fully ready to upshift again. No, the shifts themselves aren't as quick as a regular manual transmission would be and it's not the transcendent shifting ability of something like Audi's DSG dual-clutch system, but for a shiftable automatic it's among the very best.

The G8's quickest acceleration runs were actually made with the transmission in Sport mode but left to shift itself. With the blast from zero to 60 mph taking only 5.4 seconds and the quarter-mile flashing by in just 13.7 seconds at 104 mph, this is a stupendously quick car.

Quick enough that there's a chance the G8's engine is underrated at 361 hp. Until we get a G8 GT on a chassis dyno, we'll just have to credit its transmission for getting the absolute most from its companion engine.

Needs a Bigger Hemi
Frankly, the Charger R/T's Mercedes-made five-speed automatic feels prehistoric compared to the G8's six-speed. You can shift the Charger yourself using autostick, but the computer steps in if it thinks you're holding the gear too long and shifts. And when left to its own devices, the Dodge's shifts are slower and softer. It's not a bad transmission by any stretch of the imagination...but the 6L80 has stretched our imagination.

The best acceleration runs in the Charger (which weighs just 29 pounds more than the G8) were accomplished by simply stabbing the accelerator and hanging on. The run from zero to 60 mph took a respectable 6.1 seconds, with the quarter-mile consumed in 14.5 seconds at 97 mph.

In fact, the G8 GT isn't just quicker than the Charger R/T, but nearly as quick as the much more expensive 425-hp Charger SRT8. That beast's 6.1-liter Hemi sped it to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds and ripped up the quarter-mile in 13.6 seconds at 105 mph.

If there's one place where the Charger has the G8 covered, it's sound. The Charger R/T is nowhere near loud, but the exhaust note has exactly the right burbling tenor everyone wants to hear from a V8. In contrast, there's virtually no sound from the G8 GT's exhaust at all.

Every G8 GT should come with a Post-It note on the dash with Flowmaster's 800-number written on it.

[Kata Skopos]

i thought people were getting mid 12s in the srt8s :confused:

[DrFrag]

how much?????????????????????

[Anewconvert]

Originally posted by QWIKLS1
Just in time for $4 gas.

:wootnaan:


I was just hinking about how well this car would have sold if they had released it in 2002 instead of 2008. Pontiacs line up would have sold even better in times of $1.50 a gallon vs $4.00



BC

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by needcash
i thought people were getting mid 12s in the srt8s :confused:

Some are... The only numbers we have for the GXP are the "factory" numbers which are, as we all know, notoriously slow.

[jeeplaw]

"Go ahead and overlook the G8's more aggressive decoration "

Riiiight. Now, i'm obviously a Charger guy, however I love cars of all sizes, engine options, etc. But Edmunds just lost me on that one sentence. Can someone tell me that the G8 looks MORE aggressive than this?

http://imagecloset.com/2/b18dae70694ba8a88fd2f6221653ab84/2006-Dodge-Charger-SRT8-TOP.jpg

Don't get me wrong, the G8 looks good for a euro/american hybrid. But more aggressive? Not in my book.

[IMPOSTER]

lol Yeah that's crazy talk, unless they were comparing it to the look of the R/T. Looking at the G8 GT the word "aggressive" certainly does not come to mind. Now, a dark Grey GXP on the other hand... :drool:

[Snuffalofogus]

I want a goddamn six speed for the GT :damnit:

[Potent68]

Originally posted by jeeplaw
"Go ahead and overlook the G8's more aggressive decoration "

Riiiight. Now, i'm obviously a Charger guy, however I love cars of all sizes, engine options, etc. But Edmunds just lost me on that one sentence. Can someone tell me that the G8 looks MORE aggressive than this?

http://imagecloset.com/2/b18dae70694ba8a88fd2f6221653ab84/2006-Dodge-Charger-SRT8-TOP.jpg

Don't get me wrong, the G8 looks good for a euro/american hybrid. But more aggressive? Not in my book.

I have never thought that looked agressive. Instead it's always been ugly as sin to me with the way they designed the rear doors and window area on the Chargers. :Puke:

Obviously this is personal opinion though. :shrug:

Tom

[SeanPlunk]

I'm guessing we're getting a first look at the base V8 for the new Camaro. The G8 is nice - good work GM.

[MT Wallet]

Yup, I see myself getting a used one.

Nice job GM!

[PMD Power]

Originally posted by Morpheus
No stick on the G8 GT. The Active Fuel Management will not work with a manual.

IIRC the base G8 and G8 GT were supposed to have a manual option in '09.. or did that change?

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Anewconvert
I was just hinking about how well this car would have sold if they had released it in 2002 instead of 2008. Pontiacs line up would have sold even better in times of $1.50 a gallon vs $4.00



BC


I'd love to see E85 capability on the LS3 and believe GM should be doing this with all of their performance-oriented engines.

I'd definitely enjoy ethanol's benefits during summer driving and the additional 1-3% HP increase on ignition advance alone. :D

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by PMD Power
IIRC the base G8 and G8 GT were supposed to have a manual option in '09.. or did that change?

Yes. The only way to get a manual is with the GXP.

[Anewconvert]

Originally posted by Imperator
I'd love to see E85 capability on the LS3 and believe GM should be doing this with all of their performance-oriented engines.

I'd definitely enjoy ethanol's benefits during summer driving and the additional 1-3% HP increase on ignition advance alone. :D

if they find a way to make E85 cheaper than gasoline without subsidizing it I will be all fo rit. Until then I see it as money wasted elsewhere, even if it doesnt come straightout of my pocket in gas.



BC

[ATF]

Very nice. However there are those of us who still prefer a coupe over a sedan. I hope Pontiac has an option for us some time in the near future, if not then I guess I'll have to "settle" for the Camaro. :)

[Gravy Train]

I can agree with that, and think (or at least really hope) that we're on the cusp of just that, but the refining process and reprocussions to agriculture are so expensive that producers have no choice but to develop a process for cellulose-based ethanol.

As nice as it is to have a couple E85 stations nearby, I'm feeling the pinch on the other end, working for FritoLay. Corn, wheat and logistics blindsided us last year. :(

[ATF]

Originally posted by Imperator
I can agree with that, and think (or at least really hope) that we're on the cusp of just that, but the refining process and reprocussions to agriculture are so expensive that producers have no choice but to develop a process for cellulose-based ethanol.

As nice as it is to have a couple E85 stations nearby, I'm feeling the pinch on the other end, working for FritoLay. Corn, wheat and logistics blindsided us last year. :(

They are going to be switching to switchgrass for production of bio-fuels. That should ease the strain on the corn and wheat production in this country.

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by ATF
They are going to be switching to switchgrass for production of bio-fuels. That should ease the strain on the corn and wheat production in this country.

:hijack: they need to quit with that garbage and let us get our own oil :wall:

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
What does this have to do with modding anything? This has to do with GM should be aiming for. The car should have come with 430hp as the LS3 in the vette has that. The exhaust noise output the vette already has a quiet exhaust so I would have a hard time believing the HP drop is from a more restrictive exhaust. Its main competition has 425hp, why does this have less? If GM wants to succeed they need to aim to be better than every competitor in every category without exception, including minor HP differences. It is minor, but 'minor' drawbacks is what GM 100% should avoid if they want to succeed.

GM couldn't do it... the vette is supposed to have the most powerful base engine. :sorry: It's the law.

[Big_Red_1]

Originally posted by Anewconvert
if they find a way to make E85 cheaper than gasoline without subsidizing it I will be all fo rit. Until then I see it as money wasted elsewhere, even if it doesnt come straightout of my pocket in gas.



BC

:werd:

E85 is a joke.

As for the G8 GXP, that will be a freakin' sweet DD......last gen M5 performance for much less $$

[Macky Sasser]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Considering the GT is nearly as fast as a SRT-8 Charger; this car will have performance that easily is the best in it's price class. Maybe some of the other vehicles need a performance enhancement? Sounds like this thing is going to be fairly serious despite any published rating.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124883/pageNumber=1

How is the GT nearly as fast as an SRT8 Charger? The SRT8 cars run well into the 12s with anyone who isn't a complete tool behind the wheel. We all know about Brent's 300 SRT8 that went 12.5, albeit in great Atco air. Their have been a slew of SRT8s that have went high 12s stock, and some with mild bolt-ons that have went low/12 mids.

[Blade]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
GM couldn't do it... the vette is supposed to have the most powerful base engine. :sorry: It's the law. Yes they could do it, and did do it with the GTO and CTS-V.


We're talking about a GXP weighing over 4,000lbs. With the vette weighing in at a little bit over 3200lbs, I don't think an LS3 c6 has much to worry about, stock vs stock. With that said, i'm wondering why the GXP has less HP as well.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by Imperator
I'd love to see E85 capability on the LS3 and believe GM should be doing this with all of their performance-oriented engines.

I'd definitely enjoy ethanol's benefits during summer driving and the additional 1-3% HP increase on ignition advance alone. :D ethonol is just a stupid idea

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by Blade
Yes they could do it, and did do it with the GTO and CTS-V.


We're talking about a GXP weighing over 4,000lbs. With the vette weighing in at a little bit over 3200lbs, I don't think an LS3 c6 has much to worry about, stock vs stock. With that said, i'm wondering why the GXP has less HP as well.

Eh.., GXP isn't a base model, so my arguement is moot... the CTS-V is not a base model so we can toss that one out of the equation. GTO had the base Corvette motor for 2 years, so GM kinda cheated their rule for a short period.

[Kata Skopos]

either way its gay... ALL GMs should have the same motor options...


I want to see the ZR1 motor in everyhting from the malibu to the the saturn sky, to the cadillac DTS


maybe not the aveo :o

[cm_ls1]

"Well, SRT8s, meet the 2009 G8 GXP, here to rough you up a bit on your home turf."


http://www.caranddriver.com/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_12/1275006-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_12.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/10_g8gxpny08.jpg

But not the center console gauges.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/08_g8gxpny08.jpg


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/04_pontiac_g8_gxp_i.jpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_5/1275090-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_5_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_10/1274978-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_10_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_11/1274992-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_11_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_9/1275146-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_9_gallery_image_large.jpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_6/1275104-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_6_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_7/1275118-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_7_gallery_image_large.jpg

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[Jeffro]

Originally posted by Blade
Yes they could do it, and did do it with the GTO and CTS-V.


We're talking about a GXP weighing over 4,000lbs. With the vette weighing in at a little bit over 3200lbs, I don't think an LS3 c6 has much to worry about, stock vs stock. With that said, i'm wondering why the GXP has less HP as well.

My guess would be exhaust and intake just like on the GT.

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_12/1275006-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_12.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/10_g8gxpny08.jpg

But not the center console gauges.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/08_g8gxpny08.jpg


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/04_pontiac_g8_gxp_i.jpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_5/1275090-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_5_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_10/1274978-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_10_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_11/1274992-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_11_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_9/1275146-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_9_gallery_image_large.jpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_6/1275104-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_6_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_7/1275118-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_7_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_8/1275132-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_8_gallery_image_large.jpg cleaning nut stain out of shorts now:eek:

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_12/1275006-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_12.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/10_g8gxpny08.jpg

But not the center console gauges.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/08_g8gxpny08.jpg


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/04_pontiac_g8_gxp_i.jpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_5/1275090-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_5_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_10/1274978-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_10_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_11/1274992-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_11_gallery_image_large.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_9/1275146-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_9_gallery_image_large.jpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/news/auto_shows/2008_new_york_nyias_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_auto_shows/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_6/1275104-1-eng-US/2009_pontiac_g8_gxp_6_gallery_image_large.jpg

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:eek:

The G8 is truly the first affordable car in recent time that has given me thoughts about buying an new car.

[TOPPED_OUT]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
GTO had the base Corvette motor for 2 years, so GM kinda cheated their rule for a short period.

GM cheated their rule for a lot longer than that didn't they (F-body comes to mind).

At any rate, I don't think this car was intended to be a competitor or 'option' to cars such as the C6, etc. I think it competes well (HP wise) for those cars it's intended to compete with.

For those who desire SRT-8 or C6 power for that matter....well there's the GXP.....and it SHOULD come in less than those two respectively.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
"Well, SRT8s, meet the 2009 G8 GXP, here to rough you up a bit on your home turf."

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I never thought I could be this pumped over a 4-door Pontiac but here we are. lol

edit: no need for the thumbs.

[CT Morgan]

I think this car is a tremendous success for GM. It has a couple little things that can use improvement (nav lol), but very nice offering.

A coupe version would just be sick.

[kasim]

Originally posted by Anewconvert
if they find a way to make E85 cheaper than gasoline without subsidizing it I will be all fo rit. Until then I see it as money wasted elsewhere, even if it doesnt come straightout of my pocket in gas.



BC

:werd: I am really not sure about the whole E85 thing.

You get less mpg. It costs more produce. And its debatable if the energy taken to produce it even is less than the energy to produce. Not to mention we'd be dependent on a crop ... so still dependence and an even more volatile one at that.

[tyman]

Bad...ace.

[Davy_Baby9]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
I think this car is a tremendous success for GM. It has a couple little things that can use improvement (nav lol), but very nice offering.

A coupe version would just be sick.


ISnt the couple version the GTO? I thought the 2-door pontiac on the zeta chassis will be the new GTO??

Thats what I heard awhile ago though.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Davy_Baby9
ISnt the couple version the GTO? I thought the 2-door pontiac on the zeta chassis will be the new GTO??

Thats what I heard awhile ago though.

I haven't seen anything solid on that at all. If so then it would make sense and be a great car. :)

[5.0THIS]

GXP looks good. :cool: I need to go check out a G8 one of these days :)