It's Official. The UTE is coming to the U.S. Will be called the Pontiac G8 ST.

[AlmostFamous]

Pontiac pickup will be named G8 ST


http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7140/untitledhi4.png


Mike Levine over at Pickuptruck.com has managed to scoop a tasty nugget of info about the Pontiac-branded ute that will soon be for sale in the U.S. The Aussie-import based on the same platform as the rear-wheel-drive G8 sedan will be called the G8 ST, as in "Sport Truck".

That pang of disappointment you feel is the missed opportunity of paying homage to GM's most well known car-based pickups and their colorful names: the Chevy El Camino and GMC Caballero. Rather than dubbing Pontiac's ute the "Tamale" or "El Camino Redux", we get a measly little two-letter suffix. Sigh.

Also of note is that the pickup will only be available with a 6.0L V8 and is likely to start around $31,000.


http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/30/no-el-camino-for-you-pontiac-pickup-will-be-named-g8-st/

[Immortal]

looks like an asshole

no thanks

[1995blacktattop]

thats dumb.... not the fact they are bringing it over, but what they are calling it... why not give it to chevy as the El Camino?

[Element]

Ugh.

[Quadcammer]

that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.


you never know... with the way George W has been running this country.... it might sell pretty well......



(for those who don't get it, just think about the kind of people who drive 80s el caminos...... you know, the militia types who want to overthrow the government :lol: )

[AlmostFamous]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.


This will be a niche vehicle to compliment the G8. GM is only expecting to sell 20,000. GM already spent the money to bring the G8 over to the United States. It's costing them nothing to bring the Ute and the Sports Wagon over to the United States as well. This will also help the Holden plant run at full capacity which saves GM money rather than running at a lower capacity.

While the Ute won't be to most people's liking, they do have a cult following and GM will have no problem selling 20,000. Plus it has the unique factor. Performance? V8, M6, and rwd. The Ute is also .3 seconds faster than the G8 in the 1/4.

[TK_05]

I won't complain about more options but that is definitely not for me.

[1995blacktattop]

oh and heres the obligatory "what is a ute" pic :rotfl:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/MyCousinVinny3g.JPG

[George El Dorado]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.

I think so too. 30k is more than most El Camino/truckcar fans make in a year.

[Tristan]

:hmm: I'd drive it

[AlmostFamous]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
thats dumb.... not the fact they are bringing it over, but what they are calling it... why not give it to chevy as the El Camino?


This car is obviously related to the G8. GM wants to move away from badge engineering every model for every brand. Plus, this vehicle would never meet the expectations of using the El Camino name just like the Manaro didn't meet the expectations as a GTO. "It doesn't look retro enough." "It's doesn't look aggressive."

[jmd]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.

Apparently you've been too busy polishing your horns under the bridge to notice resale values of 78-87 El Caminos and Caballeros.

[triggerjerk]

So there is no market for a Firebird, but there is for an el camino? . . .

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
So there is no market for a Firebird, but there is for an el camino? . . .

apparantly not.... maybe they can compromise and come up with a combination of the 2? :rotfl:

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/3rd%20Gen%20Images/87ta15.jpg

[triggerjerk]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
apparantly not.... maybe they can compromise and come up with a combination of the 2? :rotfl:

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/3rd%20Gen%20Images/87ta15.jpg

That is not funny :nilly:

[shuck]

Originally posted by jmd
Apparently you've been too busy polishing your horns under the bridge to notice resale values of 78-87 El Caminos and Caballeros.

:rotfl:

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
That is not funny :nilly:

oh yes it is! :rotfl:

[DrFrag]

my guess is they dont want to waste time and money on a "new" car that they know wont sell well. now they dont have to worry about making new bumpers and stuff for a "new" car, they can just reuse stuff they got.

they know the car isnt gonna sell probably more than 20k a year but it doesnt cost them much to make it this way, whereas if it was an "el camino" with a unique front end, it would probably cost them a lot of money that wouldnt get recouped :shrug:

[SIK02SS]

so how many Aztecs did they sell in its 1st year? let alone the whole time it was in production?





wait, was it only in prod for a year? :think:

[WCFields]

If they done something about the styling, (the Poncho nose sucks big time), I'd dig it.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by jmd
Apparently you've been too busy polishing your horns under the bridge to notice resale values of 78-87 El Caminos and Caballeros.

Wow, so are they now worth more than a full tank of gas?


cool!

[Vindicated]

This will fail miserably

[George El Dorado]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
Wow, so are they now worth more than a full tank of gas?


cool!

About fox body money.

http://motors.listings.ebay.com/_W0QQsocmdZListingItemList?sofocus=unknown&sbrftog=1&socmd=ListingItemList&catref=C3&from=R2&satitle=&sacat=6001%26catref%3DC6%26curcat%3Dtrue&a39=1937&a41=10461&a38v1y=1978&a38v2y=1987&a10239=-24&a39705=-24&a18=-24&a10244=-24&alist=a39%2Ca41%2Ca38v1y%2Ca38v2y%2Ca10239%2Ca3801%2Ca85%2Ca 10246%2Ca33512%2Ca10241%2Ca10244%2Ca39705%2Ca18&pfmode=1&reqtype=2&gcs=13&pfid=2473&pf_query=&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=10001&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&sadis1=100&fpos1=10001&lsot1=&fsop=2%26fsoo%3D2&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&sadis2=100&fpos2=10001&lsot2=

[GMCtrk]

I'd roll a GMC cabellero :D

[89BB]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
thats dumb.... not the fact they are bringing it over, but what they are calling it... why not give it to chevy as the El Camino?

:umm: Because that's a horrible idea

[shuck]

Originally posted by George El Dorado
About fox body money.

http://motors.listings.ebay.com/_W0QQsocmdZListingItemList?sofocus=unknown&sbrftog=1&socmd=ListingItemList&catref=C3&from=R2&satitle=&sacat=6001%26catref%3DC6%26curcat%3Dtrue&a39=1937&a41=10461&a38v1y=1978&a38v2y=1987&a10239=-24&a39705=-24&a18=-24&a10244=-24&alist=a39%2Ca41%2Ca38v1y%2Ca38v2y%2Ca10239%2Ca3801%2Ca85%2Ca 10246%2Ca33512%2Ca10241%2Ca10244%2Ca39705%2Ca18&pfmode=1&reqtype=2&gcs=13&pfid=2473&pf_query=&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=10001&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&sadis1=100&fpos1=10001&lsot1=&fsop=2%26fsoo%3D2&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&sadis2=100&fpos2=10001&lsot2=

Don't waste your time with him.

[IMPOSTER]

Originally posted by George El Dorado
[B]About fox body money.

Leave us out of this! :mad:

[Rob Almighty]

White trash enters the year 2008!

[BlueStreak]

Originally posted by Polemicist
White trash enters the year 2008!
There will be a whole herd of wheezing, struggling import car owners gasping this, as they squint at the taillights of a G8 ST and choke on its hot pushrod V8 exhaust :crybaby:

Even though I'm not a fan of alpha-numeric car names, I do think it wise that GM is not trying to revive an old model name for this. One thing we don't need is another cynical chorus like we saw with the GTO :rolleyes:

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by BlueStreak
There will be a whole herd of wheezing, struggling import car owners gasping this, as they squint at the taillights of a G8 ST and choke on its hot pushrod V8 exhaust :crybaby:

Even though I'm not a fan of alpha-numeric car names, I do think it wise that GM is not trying to revive an old model name for this. One thing we don't need is another cynical chorus like we saw with the GTO :rolleyes:

I don't care if it has 10,000 horsepower. It looks like a shit-stained laundry bag.

[Hobbes]

Not a fan of a car truck, especially with a 31k price tag

[techium]

I remember when the aussies posted this everyone raved about how they would like to see one in the states, and now that it's comming it seems the general opinion is you dont want it. :rotfl:

That thing will sell worse than the Aztek.

[jmd]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
Wow, so are they now worth more than a full tank of gas?

cool!

In an average month on eBay there will be a clean 87 bringin over 7 grand. You do the math compared to what they sold for new.

There are people who would prefer this to a small truck and there is a market.

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

I want a black one with 20's up front and 22's in the rear.

[WillieD]

That looks pretty sweet. If I could get by with a 2 seater then I would consider getting one.

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by 92LT1RS
:hmm: I'd drive it

[89BB]

Originally posted by jmd
In an average month on eBay there will be a clean 87 bringin over 7 grand. You do the math compared to what they sold for new.

There are people who would prefer this to a small truck and there is a market.

If there is a market, it's a very small one, and this thing will not last.

[ramairetransam]

i like the ute , its a sweet truck , but i dont think it will sell that well . Its needs to be much cheaper though .

[cm_ls1]

it looks like most of you think it will fail . who knows , they should at least bring it to test the waters.

here is a small review i found - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=jx4khtkMYaU

[Jack Daniels]

It will only fail if GM has high expectations to sell a lot of them. It appears that is not the case.

[jmd]

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
This will be a niche vehicle to compliment the G8. GM is only expecting to sell 20,000. GM already spent the money to bring the G8 over to the United States. It's costing them nothing to bring the Ute and the Sports Wagon over to the United States as well.

:2thumbs:

Originally posted by 89BlownBrd
If there is a market, it's a very small one, and this thing will not last.

Maybe they should just hire you for your insight. :clap2: :umm:

The GTO was a lower production vehicle where 97% of the vehicle was already ready for US sales, other than cosmetics & crash testing. It worked, and worked well enough that it showed them what it would take to have Holden do the G8 and the Ute for the US market. It didn't need to be a fleet sales volume monster, and neither does the Ute. But people still pay good money for a niche (car-truck) vehicle that hasn't been available new for 20 years. Why would sales be non-existent for new ones priced in the 31k range? :boggled:

[Camaro68]

:barf:

[89BB]

Originally posted by jmd
:2thumbs:



Maybe they should just hire you for your insight. :clap2: :umm:

The GTO was a lower production vehicle where 97% of the vehicle was already ready for US sales, other than cosmetics & crash testing. It worked, and worked well enough that it showed them what it would take to have Holden do the G8 and the Ute for the US market. It didn't need to be a fleet sales volume monster, and neither does the Ute. But people still pay good money for a niche (car-truck) vehicle that hasn't been available new for 20 years. Why would sales be non-existent for new ones priced in the 31k range? :boggled:

The GTO was actually a decent car, and looked how it turned out.

[MTU 5.0]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.

:Picard:

I don't think they are looking for it to be a high volume seller.

[MTU 5.0]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
you never know... with the way George W has been running this country.... it might sell pretty well......



(for those who don't get it, just think about the kind of people who drive 80s el caminos...... you know, the militia types who want to overthrow the government :lol: )

You get two.

:Picard: :Picard:

[1995blacktattop]

now if ionly they made this.... i bet there'd be a higher resale value on late 80s car-trucks

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/560000-560999/560870_108_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/560000-560999/560870_107_full.jpg

[BlueStreak]

The GTO was a lower production vehicle where 97% of the vehicle was already ready for US sales, other than cosmetics & crash testing. It worked, and worked well enough that it showed them what it would take to have Holden do the G8 and the Ute for the US market. It didn't need to be a fleet sales volume monster, and neither does the Ute. But people still pay good money for a niche (car-truck) vehicle that hasn't been available new for 20 years. Why would sales be non-existent for new ones priced in the 31k range?
:werd:

Plus, the changes needed for the G8 ST will be just about nil. Holden already has the Ute, and Pontiac already has the G8 sedan (hence the IP and front clip). Should be pretty easy for this thing to make a profit, and it will definitely be a good showroom draw to get people's attention, especially those who "don't quite need a truck" but want a cargo bed sometimes. I believe it will be a hit.

[judge smails]

Worst name ever. I wish this fucking trend of alpha numeric names would end.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

i think it looks ok for what it is. v8 power is a plus.20k units might be tough to move though.

[Immortal]

so, is it actually a word, aka - oot (oo sound as in "boo") or "yout"? or is as the letters U T E?

or maybe some completely other pronunciation?

[Toolish Hawk]

Saw those all over Austrailia when i was there. Definatley interesting, but i dont think they will fly here

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
Pontiac pickup will be named G8 ST


http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7140/untitledhi4.png





http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/30/no-el-camino-for-you-pontiac-pickup-will-be-named-g8-st/

[Kal-El]

i don't understand why Holden isn't just brought over here, fuck putting pontiac and chevy noses on that shit.

[01z28]

Originally posted by Kal-El
i don't understand why Holden isn't just brought over here, fuck putting pontiac and chevy noses on that shit. :werd:

Plus Mexico already has this truck
http://www.projektomotor.com/images/upload/Tornado_74.jpg

[jmd]

Originally posted by 89BlownBrd
The GTO was actually a decent car, and looked how it turned out.

Please elaborate what makes the Ute in your opinion deficient. The LS_ series Gen IV engine? The Hydramatic or TTC drivetrain parts? The Holden derived interior? The usefulness of a car based Ute that can do most all things a small truck can do but get better mileage than an actual pickup?

AU has had better seats (in the HSV line) better powertrain options in non "sports cars" and Utes that this country has lacked for years. And the Ute isn't "a decent car." :uhok:

We need fewer FWD buyers and more Aussie people who use their brain and respect mechanicals.

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by Immortal
so, is it actually a word, aka - oot (oo sound as in "boo") or "yout"? or is as the letters U T E?

or maybe some completely other pronunciation?

its a word

it sounds like yout, kind of like how Joe Peschi mispronounced Youth in my cousin vinny by not pronouncing the h

[Element]

Originally posted by jmd
Please elaborate what makes the Ute in your opinion deficient. The LS_ series Gen IV engine? The Hydramatic or TTC drivetrain parts? The Holden derived interior? The usefulness of a car based Ute that can do most all things a small truck can do but get better mileage than an actual pickup?

AU has had better seats (in the HSV line) better powertrain options in non "sports cars" and Utes that this country has lacked for years. And the Ute isn't "a decent car." :uhok:

We need fewer FWD buyers and more Aussie people who use their brain and respect mechanicals.

It's fucking ugly, and that's going to sway most of the market against it.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by jmd


We need fewer FWD buyers and more Aussie people who use their brain and respect mechanicals.

what we have and what we need are far from the same thing.

most people don't have terribly fond memories of the el caminos, and there is probably a good reason they haven't made one in a while.

[kasim]

Negative ghostrider ....

You know and sadly i even like the Chevy SSr

[1995blacktattop]

lol i just stumbled across this and thought it should go here...

C4-camino?

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/gallery/data/528/c4pickup1.jpg

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/gallery/data/528/c4pickup2.jpg

[01z28]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
lol i just stumbled across this and thought it should go here...

C4-camino?

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/gallery/data/528/c4pickup1.jpg

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/gallery/data/528/c4pickup2.jpg please stop with the silly pictures :hs:

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by 01z28
please stop with the silly pictures :hs:

I actually thought the C4 Elcamino was kind of :cool:

its definately more useful than a standard C4 :wall:

[89BB]

Originally posted by jmd
Please elaborate what makes the Ute in your opinion deficient. The LS_ series Gen IV engine? The Hydramatic or TTC drivetrain parts? The Holden derived interior? The usefulness of a car based Ute that can do most all things a small truck can do but get better mileage than an actual pickup?

AU has had better seats (in the HSV line) better powertrain options in non "sports cars" and Utes that this country has lacked for years. And the Ute isn't "a decent car." :uhok:

We need fewer FWD buyers and more Aussie people who use their brain and respect mechanicals.

Originally posted by Element
It's fucking ugly, and that's going to sway most of the market against it.

I just don't see 20,000 people buying this abotripon.

[Lil Mac]

Originally posted by 89BlownBrd
I just don't see 20,000 people buying this abotripon.


:werd:

It's a cool idea and all.. but how many people would actually buy one?

[OvrKill]

I think it is bad ass

[Sturmovik]

Its not any different than a Lightning and it has a large fan base. But the difference is that its based on a car chassis, rather than a box ladder chassis. So it handles no different to the G8 sedan. It probably even has similar payload capacity to a Lightning too :lol:

Its pronounced 'yute', its short for utility. So however you pronounce the first half of utility, then thats how you say it.

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by Immortal
so, is it actually a word, aka - oot (oo sound as in "boo") or "yout"? or is as the letters U T E?

or maybe some completely other pronunciation?

As Sturm said it's 'yoot'

[Sandman]

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
This car is obviously related to the G8. GM wants to move away from badge engineering every model for every brand. Plus, this vehicle would never meet the expectations of using the El Camino name just like the Manaro didn't meet the expectations as a GTO. "It doesn't look retro enough." "It's doesn't look aggressive."


Then they should stop making all their cars look alike :Picard:

Who out there really wants to buy a next gen El Camino? :uhok:

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by jmd
Apparently you've been too busy polishing your horns under the bridge to notice resale values of 78-87 El Caminos and Caballeros.

:spit: :haha: That's like the best post I've ever seen! :lol:

[dave1w41]

If they had a crewman version of it I would definitely be looking at it for a replacement for the minivan.
http://www.nextcar.com.au/rt.i.holden.VZ.crewman.ss.bridge.JPG

[Scotty]

I don't think I'd go out of my way to buy one, but I don't think they're all that bad.

It's good to have some variety in the market.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by George El Dorado
I think so too. 30k is more than most El Camino/truckcar fans make in a year.


:haha:

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Originally posted by SIK02SS
so how many Aztecs did they sell in its 1st year? let alone the whole time it was in production?





wait, was it only in prod for a year? :think:

Year
2001 27,322
2002 27,728
2003 26,928
2004 22,696
2005 10,648 (as per henry at pontiac)

Low production volmes indeed.

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by dave1w41
If they had a crewman version of it I would definitely be looking at it for a replacement for the minivan.
http://www.nextcar.com.au/rt.i.holden.VZ.crewman.ss.bridge.JPG

That thing is the biggest tax dodge.

"It's my work car, gotta hauls the tools"

"It's a 6 litre V8 with leather for fucks sake"

"Yeah... err, I need to get to jobs quickly :umm:"

[ozhawk]

The ford falcon UTE (utility) was the only thing that kept Ford alive in this country for many years until the current sedan shape came along and began selling again.
All the younger tradesmen who want looks, power, luxury, performance Sat-Sun and can throw a few tools in the back Mon-Fri will snap it up. ;) Trust me............Price is a local issue, dont know how that compares to anything else you can get there.

[Harmon Rabb]

the shit i took this morning was prettier, but i think it'll do ok considering gm isn't planning on it being a sales hit :shrug:

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
That thing is the biggest tax dodge.

"It's my work car, gotta hauls the tools"

"It's a 6 litre V8 with leather for fucks sake"

"Yeah... err, I need to get to jobs quickly :umm:"

The reason I like it is it would probably get nearly the same economy as a minivan (we rarely carry more than 4 passengers) but it has real performance and the utility that we need. And it's not a minivan.

[EABiker]

Besides, you can probably haul more in it than in a Tundra without breaking the tailgate! :rolleyes:

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by EABiker
Besides, you can probably haul more in it than in a Tundra without breaking the tailgate! :rolleyes:

That shouldn't be too hard. I could put more weight on the storm door on the back of my house than you can on the tailgate of a Tundra.

[scottyboost]

Does GM actually have any feet left to shoot? At about the same price, the GTO was a poor seller and considered a failure. Do they really expect this turd to sell at a base STARTING at 31k? This think aint gonna work unless they have v6 base models with a starting price just north of an S-10 (or whatever the hell they're called now) - or comparable to the base price of a mid sized sedan such as the Impala, which starts at 22k.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the car. But at that price, you can get.......a truck!

[cm_ls1]

im not saying too much , other than bring it.

i think its a culture shock , when you see one passing another car effortlessly on a tight bend for the first time , with that 6L singing , you will smile ;)

[Hack Job]

http://images.automotive.com/cob/factory_automotive/images/Features/auto_shows/2004_CIAS/2005_Subaru_Baja__tailgate.jpg
http://cache.boston.com/cars/galleries/beach_cars05/baja.jpg

??? :dunno: Subaru already tried this in the US. I don't know if it will catch on.

edit: less than 30k sold over its 4yr lifespan.

[MapleRed]

Hopefully, they are wrong on that starting price. Its too high. $27k is probably more reasonable.

And 30k units w/ only a V8? That seems awfully high too. Aren't they expecting to sell around that many G8's? And that is with two engine options and a lower starting price with the V6.

[MTU 5.0]

Originally posted by Scotty-Z
It's good to have some V-8 RWD variety in the market.

Fixed.

[cm_ls1]

haha , nice comparo .. i am seriously laughing hard !

http://cache.boston.com/cars/galleries/beach_cars05/baja.jpg 0-60 in 8 seconds (for the turbo) , and 17 sec 1/4 ? lol , and handling , has anyone even bothered testing this ?

and


0-60 in 5 seconds, mid 13s quarters , nearly .90 of cornering G
]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/SiriX2k6/SiriX%20Ute/PB220109.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/SiriX2k6/SiriX%20Ute/PB220106.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/SiriX2k6/SiriX%20Ute/PB220103.jpg

[Hack Job]

I wasn't comparing performance, I was saying the car/truck concept has been tried here recently.

BTW c&d rated it at 7.3 0-60 and 15.5@90 in the 1/4.

[AlmostFamous]

Originally posted by scottyboost
Does GM actually have any feet left to shoot? At about the same price, the GTO was a poor seller and considered a failure. Do they really expect this turd to sell at a base STARTING at 31k? This think aint gonna work unless they have v6 base models with a starting price just north of an S-10 (or whatever the hell they're called now) - or comparable to the base price of a mid sized sedan such as the Impala, which starts at 22k.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the car. But at that price, you can get.......a truck!


There's a debate going that the G8 ST will be sold with the LS3 and not the L92. Considering GM mentioned it would come with the same powertrain option as the Camaro and the G8 ST is $6000 cheaper than the G8 in Australia.

[426HEMI]

I like it and I'd drive it. Just not at a $31k price point, especially considering the horrendous depreciation on American made vehicles. Used and in the mid/low $20's? I'd be all over it.

[jmd]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
I like it and I'd drive it. Just not at a $31k price point, especially considering the horrendous depreciation on American made vehicles. Used and in the mid/low $20's? I'd be all over it.

Well, a 31k car is going to end up in the mid 20's.... so you'll basically get exactly that.

The suggestions that a lower priced, lower option model be built aren't as feasible as we'd like: the GTO was a simple import because of lack of optionability. M6 or A4 and that was about it, save for interior & exterior colour. For a low production model, they're simply not going to be interesting in providing multiple powertrain differences, or other options. If they give it desirable options and let it hit the low target goals, it will move how it needs to move.

[Frankster_p]

I seriously dont get it.

The big 3 in America have made and continue tomake some of the most outdated ugly frownt wheel drive puss barges in the world.

And now you get this which is a cheap muscle car.
versatile too.

Whats it need?
Ripply cladding?
Chiken decals on the hood?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Frankster_p
Chiken decals on the hood?

:hmm:

[ScotWithOne_t]

I do not think it is good.

[AlmostFamous]

Check out this awesome Holden advertisement of the UTE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEHFBfVGvrI


:thumbup:

[Davy_Baby9]

I would buy the shit out of that.

1. Quick...check
2. Looks...check
3. Haul stuffs...


Too bad it didn't come with an AWD option for the northern states.

[Anewconvert]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
I like it and I'd drive it. Just not at a $31k price point, especially considering the horrendous depreciation on American made vehicles. Used and in the mid/low $20's? I'd be all over it.

truth


BC

[jmd]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
thats dumb.... not the fact they are bringing it over, but what they are calling it... why not give it to chevy as the El Camino?

Because GM doesn't base model names like you write your posts.

Let's see how much 80's we can add in here!

[OvrKill]

I like it a lot. I think it will sell okay. There are a lot of people in the US that just don't want to be followers and will buy something like this.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
There's a debate going that the G8 ST will be sold with the LS3 and not the L92. Considering GM mentioned it would come with the same powertrain option as the Camaro and the G8 ST is $6000 cheaper than the G8 in Australia.

That would be awesome if it came w/ the LS3 for that price. :yup:

[LS1MONSTER]

Pontiac should have just re badged it as the Trans Am.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by LS1MONSTER
Pontiac should have just re badged it as the Trans Am.

But it needs body cladding and a chicken decal for the hood before they can do that. :yup:

[DAFFYDRUNK]

I think I could pimp a V8 Ute. I'm not big on pickup trucks, but the Ute is kinda cool. If I can get the same vibe I get from the GTO, and have more space to haul computer crap, what's not to like.

I think it will actually sell in the US. Probably better that it's not gonna be called something like El Camino. The people that think El Caminos are dumb redneck cars won't be put off by "G8 ST". The El Camino freaks won't be put off by "G8 ST" like, say, a former 66 GTO owner might have been regarding the new GTO.

[89BB]

Originally posted by jmd
Because GM doesn't base model names like you write your posts.

Let's see how much 80's we can add in here!

:clap2:

[Jeffro]

I don't think it will be a good seller. They'd be better off making a G8 wagon.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I don't think it will be a good seller. They'd be better off making a G8 wagon.

I think they're making a G8 wagon, too. Maybe it hasn't been announced yet. :think:

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by MapleRed
I think they're making a G8 wagon, too. Maybe it hasn't been announced yet. :think:

According to our Pontiac Rep, the wagon is a no-go.

[BlazedTech]

Originally posted by cm_ls1




http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/SiriX2k6/SiriX%20Ute/PB220106.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/SiriX2k6/SiriX%20Ute/PB220103.jpg
That one looks awesome. The pontiac, not so much.

[silverSS]

the Chevy version that was posted looks 2000x better than the "G8 ST"

[jmd]

Originally posted by Morpheus
According to our Pontiac Rep, the wagon is a no-go.

Perhaps they're taking their hint from Chrysler axing the Magnum.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by jmd
Perhaps they're taking their hint from Chrysler axing the Magnum.

That's kind of sad about the Magnum. At least, it would give Pontiac 100% of that market. :shrug:

[Hobbes]

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
Check out this awesome Holden advertisement of the UTE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEHFBfVGvrI


:thumbup:

That was very :cool:

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
Check out this awesome Holden advertisement of the UTE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEHFBfVGvrI


:thumbup:

Very cool commercial.

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

I want one. :drool:

[kasim]

They should have kept the SSr instead .... and just upped the power and some of the interior styling

[kasim]

Originally posted by Hobb3s
That was very :cool:

:werd: actually that lime green one isnt too bad...

[ill deuce]

Originally posted by jmd
Because GM doesn't base model names like you write your posts.

Let's see how much 80's we can add in here! yeah,pontiac decided to become BMW and be strictly alpha-numeric

[jmd]

Originally posted by kasim
They should have kept the SSr instead .... and just upped the power and some of the interior styling

The SSR is based on the Trailblazer partially. It's a heavier platform and as a kind of "one-off" that doesn't share as much with other models, costs more.

The G8 ST is probably going to be lighter, more fuel efficient is already produced for AU market so it's going to instantly have a large cost advantage and already has a 4-door model in case that is needed. The SSR was a nice thought at something unique in styling but I don't see where it has any other foundation of advantage.

[Tannim]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
thats dumb.... not the fact they are bringing it over, but what they are calling it... why not give it to chevy as the El Camino?

:stupid2:

[Bueller]

I would personally rather see a G8 wagon! :cool:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/no337/wagon2.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/no337/wagon1.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/no337/wagon3.jpg

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by Rob Almighty
I don't care if it has 10,000 horsepower. It looks like a shit-stained laundry bag. :eek: :cuss: :lame: Not really feeling it. Who is the target market?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Morpheus
According to our Pontiac Rep, the wagon is a no-go.

Thats ashame. I think the wagon would sell better than the pick-up.

[jmd]

Originally posted by whitebody
I would personally rather see a G8 wagon! :cool:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/no337/wagon2.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/no337/wagon1.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/no337/wagon3.jpg

All it needs now is the four-rings Horch/DKW/Wanderer/Audi emblem on both ends instead of the Holden symbol, and that car would find acceptance membership-wide on LS2.com

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by jmd
All it needs now is the four-rings Horch/DKW/Wanderer/Audi emblem on both ends instead of the Holden symbol, and that car would find acceptance membership-wide on LS2.com

who on ls2 doesn't like the g8? :think: we just bitch about gm being idiotic and leaving out features present on every competitor.

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Berman
who on ls2 doesn't like the g8? :think: we just bitch about gm being idiotic and leaving out features present on every competitor.

Because LS2 has been permeated by a bevy of trust fund douchnozzles that value prestige over performance. :o

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
Because LS2 has been permeated by a bevy of trust fund douchnozzles that value prestige over performance. :o

i think some of it valuing luxury and features over outright performance.

i'd rather have a mid-high 13 sec car with nav, bluetooth, heated/cooled seats, and every luxo feature vs a low 13 sec car whose only features include ac and a radio. :shrug:

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Berman
i think some of it valuing luxury and features over outright performance.

i'd rather have a mid-high 13 sec car with nav, bluetooth, heated/cooled seats, and every luxo feature vs a low 13 sec car whose only features include ac and a radio. :shrug:

To wit. :o


;)

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
To wit. :o

;)

features and luxury do not equal prestige :slap:

you should bitch about a punch of nancy boys who care about butt warmers more than performance. then you'd have a valid point :shrug:

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by Berman
i think some of it valuing luxury and features over outright performance.

i'd rather have a mid-high 13 sec car with nav, bluetooth, heated/cooled seats, and every luxo feature vs a low 13 sec car whose only features include ac and a radio. :shrug:

Nav, heated seats.... who gives a fuck.

That's as lame as the other idiot bitching it didn't have a HUD.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
Nav, heated seats.... who gives a fuck.

That's as lame as the other idiot bitching it didn't have a HUD.

yeah. who gives a fuck about a vehicle being competitive and having the same features offered by every other car in its class. crazy! :nilly:

i give a fuck. a lot of prospective buyers give a fuck. :sorry:

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
Nav, heated seats.... who gives a fuck.

That's as lame as the other idiot bitching it didn't have a HUD.

:werd: My GTO is just about perfect. :yup:

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Berman
yeah. who gives a fuck about a vehicle being competitive and having the same features offered by every other car in its class. crazy! :nilly:

i give a fuck. a lot of prospective buyers give a fuck. :sorry:

Nobody gives a fuck what you give a fuck about, nancy boy. :sorry:


:p

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
:werd: My GTO is just about perfect. :yup:

btw, the only people who can say heated seats arent nice are those who havent owned a car with them. they kick ass in the cold.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
Nobody gives a fuck what you give a fuck about, nancy boy. :sorry:


:p

:fangs:

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Berman
btw, the only people who can say heated seats arent nice are those who havent owned a car with them. they kick ass in the cold.

We currently own two cars with them. My wife and daughters rave about them. Hmmmm.... Perhaps it's time for you to stop shaving down there. :o

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
We currently own two cars with them. My wife and daughters rave about them. Hmmmm.... Perhaps it's time for you to stop shaving down there. :o

no way. a real man shaves his taint. :flex:

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by Berman
btw, the only people who can say heated seats arent nice are those who havent owned a car with them. they kick ass in the cold.

Maybe I live in too warm a place, I really hate heated seats. I don't need hot air blowing on to my arse. HUD is just a wank and nav isn't something I particularly care about.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
Maybe I live in too warm a place, I really hate heated seats. I don't need hot air blowing on to my arse. HUD is just a wank and nav isn't something I particularly care about.

heated seats don't blow hot air. the seats just get hot.

[Jack Daniels]

Heated seats are ok for about 5 minutes, then I want them off. I have NAV in my cell phone and a portable Garmin unit. I mostly use it for my work and I'm not driving my personal car anyway. It's nice but I really don't need it built in. Matter of fact, the cell phone NAV is pretty damned good.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
Heated seats are ok for about 5 minutes, then I want them off. I have NAV in my cell phone and a portable Garmin unit. I mostly use it for my work and I'm not driving my personal car anyway. It's nice but I really don't need it built in. Matter of fact, the cell phone NAV is pretty damned good.

i agree with you on the heated seats, but those first 5 minutes make the seat go from freezing to nice and cozy :shrug:

will you at least admit that, regardless of what the manliest man ever jack clint harry daniels eastwood callahan thinks, plenty of buyers want heated seats and nav and it's asinine to not offer those features?

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Berman
i agree with you on the heated seats, but those first 5 minutes make the seat go from freezing to nice and cozy :shrug:

will you at least admit that, regardless of what the manliest man ever jack clint harry daniels eastwood callahan thinks, plenty of buyers want heated seats and nav and it's asinine to not offer those features?

Personally, I think its asinine to not offer GTO seats in every single GM car made. :o

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
Personally, I think its asinine to not offer GTO seats in every single GM car made. :o

i hope your daughter gets knocked up. :damnyou:

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by Berman
heated seats don't blow hot air. the seats just get hot.

True, it's not a jet of hot air.

I still don't wake up wishing for hot arse cheeks.

[Quadcammer]

how can anybody hate something that makes them more comfortable.

Would you rather sit on ice cold leather until the coolant comes up to temp, or would you prefer a warm seat.

They add extremely little weight, and very minor expense.

I would not buy another car without them.

[GMRL]

This reminds me of that episode of King of the Hill when Hank is buying a new truck.

"Vanity mirrors and Heated seat?s Well let me put my dress on and hop in."

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
how can anybody hate something that makes them more comfortable.

Would you rather sit on ice cold leather until the coolant comes up to temp, or would you prefer a warm seat.

They add extremely little weight, and very minor expense.

I would not buy another car without them.

It's a nice amenity, just not a dealbreaker.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Clint Eastwood
It's a nice amenity, just not a dealbreaker.

fair enough. In virgina, I probably wouldn't consider it a deal breaker, but when I jumped in my car this morning, it was a whopping 24 degrees, so heated seats are nice.

[AllZWay]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
that vehicle will sell like utter dogshit.
I bet it sells better than you think.

That ugly ass Honda pickup is selling and I didn't think anyone would buy that crap.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Berman
btw, the only people who can say heated seats arent nice are those who havent owned a car with them. they kick ass in the cold.

:werd:

I always want my DD to have them. I hate sitting on cold leather seats on a cold morning. :mad:

[Speedfreak]

Originally posted by GMRL
This reminds me of that episode of King of the Hill when Hank is buying a new truck.

"Vanity mirrors and Heated seat?s Well let me put my dress on and hop in." lol I remember that one. Hank Hill takes his trucks seriously:)

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Originally posted by Berman
yeah. who gives a fuck about a vehicle being competitive and having the same features offered by every other car in its class. crazy! :nilly:

i give a fuck. a lot of prospective buyers give a fuck. :sorry:

X2 why not even offer those as an option for a car fo this level? At least offer the NAV and HUD option.

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Originally posted by AllZWay
I bet it sells better than you think.

That ugly ass Honda pickup is selling and I didn't think anyone would buy that crap.

Their are plenty of people that will buy anything as long as it has a Honda emblem on it.

[LS1MONSTER]

Originally posted by GMRL
This reminds me of that episode of King of the Hill when Hank is buying a new truck.

"Vanity mirrors and Heated seat?s Well let me put my dress on and hop in."

:lol: that was a good episode. Seriously though heated seats are a nice option to have.

[DAFFYDRUNK]

I realize some criticize heated seats. They actually do help when you get in your car and its rally cold out. Like below 0 out...

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
how can anybody hate something that makes them more comfortable.

Would you rather sit on ice cold leather until the coolant comes up to temp, or would you prefer a warm seat.

They add extremely little weight, and very minor expense.

I would not buy another car without them.

No ice where I live :dunno:

I'm not sure there are many cars here that even come with heated seats bar the euro stuff.

[TheNewMonaro]

And for fucks sake people. HUD is a fucking wank.

[Sturmovik]

I wonder what people ever did before heated seats and navigation. :nilly:

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Sturmovik
I wonder what people ever did before heated seats and navigation. :nilly:

they were cold as shit and got lost. You want to go back to that?

well shit, a 2400baud modem will get you on the internet, why not go back to that.

fucking people want 6 million pixels on their videogame screen, but hate navigation. ridiculous

[Sturmovik]

I can read maps and if I wanted a warm ass id take a shit in my pants.

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Originally posted by Sturmovik
I can read maps and if I wanted a warm ass id take a shit in my pants.

That might hurt the resale value.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by Sturmovik
I can read maps and if I wanted a warm ass id take a shit in my pants.

congratulations. Not all people want to spend time looking at maps on the side of the road, nor do they want to shit themselves like you do.

sounds like you have some personal problems.

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Sturmovik
I can read maps and if I wanted a warm ass id take a shit in my pants.

I like your style. :cool:

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
congratulations. Not all people want to spend time looking at maps on the side of the road, nor do they want to shit themselves like you do.

sounds like you have some personal problems.

Something like a poo fetish.

[BradL]

Originally posted by Vindicated
This will fail miserably

[mrgto]

Originally posted by Sturmovik
I wonder what people ever did before heated seats and navigation. :nilly:

The problem is people want that stuff....if one car has it and the other doesn't and it is a feature people what, which one do you think they are going to buy....not too tough to figure out.

[vice86]

Originally posted by AlmostFamous
Pontiac pickup will be named G8 ST


http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7140/untitledhi4.png





http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/30/no-el-camino-for-you-pontiac-pickup-will-be-named-g8-st/

They'll bring a BRAT to america...but not the rebirth of the Trans Am

:Picard:

[Cerwin Vega Fan]

Originally posted by vice86
They'll bring a BRAT to america...but not the rebirth of the Trans Am

:Picard:
At least this will not compete with the camaro. :shrug:

[TheNewMonaro]

Originally posted by vice86
They'll bring a BRAT to america...but not the rebirth of the Trans Am

:Picard:

What's a BRAT?

[79WS6]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
What's a BRAT?


a Subi truck with unusual rear seating...


Love this holden UTE commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXulXWD10-0

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
What's a BRAT?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/287699547_9e266cb41f.jpg

notice the halfassed t-tops, lol (they don't come off the truck, they just pop up)

[triggerjerk]

Originally posted by vice86
They'll bring a BRAT to america...but not the rebirth of the Trans Am

:Picard:

[79WS6]

Originally posted by TheNewMonaro
What's a BRAT?

Brat: a sausage; a Wisconsin tailgating favorite at sporting events or backyard cookouts;doesn't have anything to do with a spoiled kid or a Asian car company......

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/287699547_9e266cb41f.jpg

notice the halfassed t-tops, lol (they don't come off the truck, they just pop up)

hoy shit. how about the seats on the bed? :spit:

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by Berman
hoy shit. how about the seats on the bed? :spit:

yeah i think that was another popular option along with the dual popup sunroofs (i just don't see those as t-tops, lol )

[jmd]

Originally posted by Sturmovik
I wonder what people ever did before heated seats and navigation. :nilly:

I can only speak for myself and the driving I did in winter snow & ice weather in Illinois. I looked at a map (always grabbed the ones in the phone books) since I knew how to read a map (and kids in the future will not, mark my word,) got in the car, sat on the leather seat, and went where I was going.

[1995blacktattop]

Originally posted by jmd
I can only speak for myself and the driving I did in winter snow & ice weather in Illinois. I looked at a map (always grabbed the ones in the phone books) since I knew how to read a map (and kids in the future will not, mark my word,) got in the car, sat on the leather seat, and went where I was going.

its not that i dont know how to read a map, but driving down the freeway in medium-heavy traffic, while staring at a map trying to figure out where to go is kind of dangerous...

GPS > Map

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/287699547_9e266cb41f.jpg

notice the halfassed t-tops, lol (they don't come off the truck, they just pop up)

I wanted one of those back in the day. :story:

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
its not that i dont know how to read a map, but driving down the freeway in medium-heavy traffic, while staring at a map trying to figure out where to go is kind of dangerous...

GPS > Map

Six speed, map, coffee, cellphone. No problem. :o