G8 information has been released-

[cm_ls1]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/Lichtronamo/modelsplash_6090.jpg

still waiting on pricing.

White has been added !


Colors

http://g8gt.com/attachments/430d1190468130-color.jpg

Standard Features

http://g8gt.com/attachments/431d1190468575-standard-options-1.jpg
http://g8gt.com/attachments/432d1190468575-standard-options-2.jpg
http://g8gt.com/attachments/433d1190468575-standard-options-3.jpg
http://g8gt.com/attachments/434d1190468814-standard-options-4.jpg

Options

http://g8gt.com/attachments/436d1190469243-options-1.jpg

Interior

http://g8gt.com/attachments/437d1190469319-interior-1.jpg

Exterior

http://g8gt.com/attachments/441d1190469502-exterior-1.jpg

Mechanical

http://g8gt.com/attachments/443d1190469598-mechanical.jpg

[1badls2goat]

:drool: WHITE

Magnetic Slate, Stealth Blue and Orange will be good, too :yup:

[1badls2goat]

those wheels are ugly, by the way.

[1badls2goat]

2.92 gears, stock--man, a cam with gears would REALLY make this thing a beast.


also, they underrated it--before it was 362 horsepower for the l76, but now it's 355 hp...or am I just delusional?

[SIK02SS]

is there any pricing on these yet?

[Hilton]

No option for standard transmission?

[Spectre]

No HUD? :( Guess we already knew that. Are the dealers taking pre-orders yet?

[1badls2goat]

WTF. they're all autos?? :boggled:

[DaveB]

I believe at first only auto will be available.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
WTF. they're all autos?? :boggled:

:yup:

remember that GM is in transition between manual trannies

[Element]

Blaupunkt.

What the FUCK.

Could they have picked a shittier brand of audio TRASH for the "upgraded" audio system?

Jesus Christ. It's stupid shit like this that annoys me about GM. Even Bose junk is better than Blaupunkt.

[4th_gen]

and no nav option....considering like every car in the class that this thing will be competing with has a nav option

[DANSBIRD]

So... a non-lsx motor? Hmm... Are they starting to go w/ a different code for the motors now?

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by 4th_gen
and no nav option....considering like every car in the class that this thing will be competing with has a nav option

What the hell.. and no Bluetooth hands-free feature either, forcing the owner to go aftermarket or buy up expensive OnStar minutes. :rolleyes: When will GM get their heads out of their asses on this?

They made the same mistake on the 2008 CTS. I sure as hell hope navigation and Bluetooth are offered on 2009 models. :mad: I can order a Honda CIVIC with Bluetooth and Navigation now!

I thought both features are offered on AUD Commodores, but I guess they ran out of time (or money) to bring the electronics over.

The 2.92 rearend ratio is pathetic behind the 6L80E.

[Tristan]

no bluetooth, no care.
no nav, no care.
no HUD, no care.

I'd buy it anyway.


and this is posted on the website:

Transmission
Hydra-Matic 5L40 5-spd automatic
Gear Ratios
1st: 3.42
2nd: 2.21
3rd: 1.60
4th: 1.00
5th: 0.75
Reverse: 3.02
Final Drive Ratio
2.92

Hydra-Matic 6L80 6-speed automatic
Gear Ratios
1st: 4.03
2nd: 2.36
3rd: 1.53
4th: 1.15
5th: 0.85
6th: 0.67
Reverse: TBD
Final Drive Ratio
2.92

TR6060- six-speed manual
Gear Ratios
1st: 3.01
2nd: 2.07
3rd: 1.43
4th: 1.00
5th: 0.84
6th: 0.57
Reverse: TBD
Final Drive Ratio
3.27

[1badls2goat]

:Picard: NO NAVIGATION!?!?!!? WHAT THE FUCK?????

I thought that JUST FOR ONCE they would import the sick-ass navigation and full interior from the Australian design. But I guess GM still has its brain WAAAAY up its ass and out its mouth.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
:Picard: NO NAVIGATION!?!?!!? WHAT THE FUCK?????

I thought that JUST FOR ONCE they would import the sick-ass navigation and full interior from the Australian design. But I guess GM still has its brain WAAAAY up its ass and out its mouth.

:werd: nice way to fail, gm :Picard:

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

Originally posted by Element
Blaupunkt.

What the FUCK.

Could they have picked a shittier brand of audio TRASH for the "upgraded" audio system?

Jesus Christ. It's stupid shit like this that annoys me about GM. Even Bose junk is better than Blaupunkt.

Wrong.

[Potent68]

The lack of navigation is fucking stupid, especially with a display screen already there.

And why was I expecting at least 400 hp out of these? :(

Tom

[MJSbossman]

What's with all the pussys who require navigation systems?

[cm_ls1]

guys the info was just updated last night.

it is only preliminary , they are updating it all the time ..

dont count blue tooth or sat nav out yet.

-----

as for the 6 speed , soon to follow

[Potent68]

Originally posted by Bossman 2.0
What's with all the pussys who require navigation systems?

Honestly, not necessary for me personally, but in the interests of keeping up with the latest/greatest I'd think it would at the very least be an option, if not standard equipment. :shrug:

Tom

[Boz]

Originally posted by Bossman 2.0
What's with all the pussys who require navigation systems?

not required, just nice to have

[cm_ls1]

anyway :p aside from the electronic luxury hoopla,

lets get to the meat of the matter !

nice exterior , tough lookin 4 door

totally new chassis , full control ! , comfortable !

a more refined driveline , they have managed to tame the roughness out of the t56 , and the a6 is silky smooth to drive.

interior is +2 levels above GTO.

and thats all before the sickening bass of its 2 into 4 exhaust , and l92 headed six litre

http://g8gt.com/attachments/413d1189016047-picture204413large.jpghttp://g8gt.com/attachments/414d1189016058-picture204414large.jpg

[Element]

Originally posted by TireFryer30th
Wrong.

Blaupunkt is junk, dude. It's in the same category as Pyle, Boss, and Pyramid.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Bossman 2.0
What's with all the pussys who require navigation systems?

No doubt. :rolleyes: I have a $70.00 Lowrance GPS unit that does 99% of what a $1000 nav system does and it's not tied to a car. For the .0000001% of times that I need "navigation" I can pull out a map. How did people get anywhere for the first 100 years of automotive history? Holy shit it must have been horrible. :lol:

Does everyone here work in sales on the road or something??

[Checkmate]

handling and performance specs?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by dave1w41
No doubt. :rolleyes: I have a $70.00 Lowrance GPS unit that does 99% of what a $1000 nav system does and it's not tied to a car. For the .0000001% of times that I need "navigation" I can pull out a map. How did people get anywhere for the first 100 years of automotive history? Holy shit it must have been horrible. :lol:

Does everyone here work in sales on the road or something??

the G8's competitors all have available nav. even you cannot defend gm on this one.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Berman
the G8's competitors all have available nav. even you cannot defend gm on this one.

they should have it as an option ... correct, it exists in au.

but like i said let wait and see , im quite sure there are adjustments being made to the list as we speak.

[Macky Sasser]

I'm hoping for a bit more then ~355 hp. If thats the case given the weight and gearing of this car it will likely run low 14s at best. Thats not good enough.

[DANSBIRD]

Originally posted by cm_ls1


a more refined driveline , they have managed to tame the roughness out of the t56 , and the a6 is silky smooth to drive.
What is this roughness in the t56 that you speak of?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Potent68
The lack of navigation is fucking stupid, especially with a display screen already there.

And why was I expecting at least 400 hp out of these? :(

Tom

It's tuned to run on 87 octane, thats why it makes less hp.

[Johnny_Pappis]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
guys the info was just updated last night.

it is only preliminary , they are updating it all the time ..

dont count blue tooth or sat nav out yet.

-----

as for the 6 speed , soon to follow



Seriously give it time im sure they aret that blind to what we want :D

[wickedss]

Sweet car...

Nav would be nice, but I don't require it.

No ideas on pricing yet eh?

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by wickedss
Sweet car...

Nav would be nice, but I don't require it.

No ideas on pricing yet eh?

My guess:

25,000 for a v6
30,000 for the v8
35,000 for the gxp, high powered v8 version coming later.

[kasim]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
:Picard: NO NAVIGATION!?!?!!? WHAT THE FUCK?????

I thought that JUST FOR ONCE they would import the sick-ass navigation and full interior from the Australian design. But I guess GM still has its brain WAAAAY up its ass and out its mouth.

:werd: :wtf: And no bluetooth hands free ..... NICE one GM ....


Leave it to them to de-option a great car

[kasim]

Originally posted by Berman
the G8's competitors all have available nav. even you cannot defend gm on this one.

No berman ... it has onstar that is the SAME thing if not better :rolleyes:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by kasim
No berman ... it has onstar that is the SAME thing if not better :rolleyes:

:sillyme:

[Firehawk]

355+ HP....hmmm

[46CALLAWAY]

I don't care about no navi but I want HID's as an option. And the gear ratio is pathetic for a performance car. Can you even get aftermarket gears for the G8?

[Element]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
I don't care about no navi but I want HID's as an option. And the gear ratio is pathetic for a performance car. Can you even get aftermarket gears for the G8?

It is a performance "family car sedan". I'd imagine the gearing was necessary to negate a gas guzzler tax or something of the like. It'll have plenty of go for the average buyer.

[46CALLAWAY]

Anyone know the curb weight for the G8 GT?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
And the gear ratio is pathetic for a performance car.

not really. 1st and 2nd gear are very steep. you have to look at the gearbox gear ratios in addition to just the rear end gear ratio.

[Firehawk]

About the NAV and HUD...I bet they will be GXP only options just like how the Grand Prix is now.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by dave1w41
No doubt. :rolleyes: I have a $70.00 Lowrance GPS unit that does 99% of what a $1000 nav system does and it's not tied to a car. For the .0000001% of times that I need "navigation" I can pull out a map. How did people get anywhere for the first 100 years of automotive history? Holy shit it must have been horrible. :lol:

Does everyone here work in sales on the road or something??

:rotfl:

We also had wheels made of wood in the early 20th century. Who needs rubber? Power steering? Fuck that, I'm a real man!

What a stupid fucking rationalization.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Berman
not really. 1st and 2nd gear are very steep. you have to look at the gearbox gear ratios in addition to just the rear end gear ratio.

by my math you will still enter the traps in 3rd gear (as it tops out at 110 @ 6200rpm)


The whole no NAV thing is rather gay since the wiring/interior already exists for the monaro; no HUD is understandable. The G8 though has had some problems getting stuff out on time though, thats why a lot of the content is being pushed back to 09.

[krispycobalt]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_grFmMql5PRHS141wVvdJA

spreadsheet about speed in gears for A6

[46CALLAWAY]

I know the difference between tranny and rear end gearing and I can see the aggressive tranny gearing. I doubt the stock G8 GT will trap 110mph in the 1/4 mile, more like 105-106 would be my guess which would put at about 6000rpm in 3rd gear. Ideally it should be at 6500 in 4th gear at the end of the 1/4 mile for maximum acceleration. I do think they set the rear end gearing to 2.90 to avoid the gas guzzler tax.

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Berman
not really. 1st and 2nd gear are very steep. you have to look at the gearbox gear ratios in addition to just the rear end gear ratio.

It still sucks. My STS-V is fitted with a 3.23 rearend ratio behind the same 6L80E; I can't imagine how the car would feel with anything steeper.

An M6 rear swap should go nicely.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
I know the difference between tranny and rear end gearing and I can see the aggressive tranny gearing. I doubt the stock G8 GT will trap 110mph in the 1/4 mile, more like 105-106 would be my guess which would put at about 6000rpm in 3rd gear. Ideally it should be at 6500 in 4th gear at the end of the 1/4 mile for maximum acceleration. I do think they set the rear end gearing to 2.90 to avoid the gas guzzler tax.

likely, which I personally don't have a problem with; people that want more speed should be getting the 3rd tier G8 anyways

[46CALLAWAY]

Originally posted by Imperator
It still sucks. My STS-V is fitted with a 3.23 rearend ratio behind the same 6L80E; I can't imagine how the car would feel with anything steeper.

An M6 rear swap should go nicely.

You mean you can't imagine the gearing being any taller right? Steeper would be 3.55-4.11 etc.

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
You mean you can't imagine the gearing being any taller right? Steeper would be 3.55-4.11 etc.


Yes, poor choice of wording, but that's what the Pep Boys mechanic told me to write. :rolleyes:


WTF?!!!!1 YES, FKING STEEPER, TALLER, NUMERICALLY L-O-W-E-R; reducing torque multiplication, lower pinion gear speed, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

i like it. i might even test drive one.

[cm_ls1]

i dont know whats with all this guess work, when the holden version , same weight, same gearbox, the ss has the same hp/kw engine

proven 13.5 runner at around 105mph.

handling has been also tested , .87 g on the skid pan which on par with the 335i

[46CALLAWAY]

Skid pad numbers doesn't mean much for handling in my opinion. It might be in the same league as the 335i as far handling goes but the skid pad numbers won't tell you that.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
Skid pad numbers doesn't mean much for handling in my opinion. It might be in the same league as the 335i as far handling goes but the skid pad numbers won't tell you that.

:werd:

track times at numerous courses FTW

not that anyone actually uses 100%...or even 75% of the handling

[carpenter]

Originally posted by Firehawk
About the NAV and HUD...I bet they will be GXP only options just like how the Grand Prix is now.

Nav is available on the base GP.

[cm_ls1]

well it did the same slalom figures as the 335i, so whatever that means , and its significantly heavier too ... so thats not bad !

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by carpenter
Nav is available on the base GP.

I didn't think it was but I wasn't sure.

[Spectre]

Hard to believe with the size of the LCD display there wouldn't be Nav in this car.

http://www.thegmsource.com/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/1507.jpg

Picture is from here. (http://www.thegmsource.com/index.php?categoryid=3&p17_sectionid=140)

[Spectre]

Another one...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Firebird68/CTShow07G82b.jpg

[DaveB]

Looks like they updated the Pontiac site, 362hp.

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by DaveB
Looks like they updated the Pontiac site, 362hp.

It must have a very limp cam and a very conservative tune.

Go here and try essentially the same block (6.0 LS2) with L92 heads (same) and L76 intake (same)
......but with a stock LS2 cam = 440HP
.................................ASA cam =475HP

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/enginedyno/dyno.jsp?eng=LS2

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by HSV-GTS-300
It must have a very limp cam and a very conservative tune.


I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that its tuned to run on 87 so that makes sense.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Berman
the G8's competitors all have available nav. even you cannot defend gm on this one.

I just personally think that it's one of the most overrated and useless gimmicks ever to befall the auto industry. 99.9% of the people that have it paid $1000+ to have a display on their dash that says in not so many words; "This is where I am". Data they could just as easily gather by looking out the window.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Polemicist
:rotfl:

We also had wheels made of wood in the early 20th century. Who needs rubber? Power steering? Fuck that, I'm a real man!

What a stupid fucking rationalization.


All automotive advancements are good even if you never use them.. ... now that's a stupid fucking rationalization if ever I heard it. - especially when you use one as useless as navigation to accept/reject an automobile.

http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/dec/02/images/b28847.jpg

http://www.powersportcars.com/images/upload/items/black.cont.kit.jpg

http://www.inventorsgarage.com/blog4/media/1/20070623-feeler.jpg

Among other useless items created by car companies; swivel seats, talking driver info messages, touch screens, I-Drive, etc.

I'm much more 100x as upset that this top-end Pontiac has no HUD than I am about the nav. Even that wouldn't stop me from at least considering it.

[Gravy Train]

:confused: HUD is less useful to me than navigation. Even though I grew up in this area and know most of the streets/shortcuts, I still use my navigation system regularly. It's extremely useful for calculating remaining distance, finding nearby POIs that I'm unfamiliar with, looking up phone numbers and finding alternate routes to a destination. It became a life saver when I used it to cut through some neighborhoods to bypass MILES of traffic backed up on a single exit lane en route to a concert two weeks ago, and even better when I need to find a way out of unfamiliar territory.

I've had a navigation system in my past three vehicles and will never look back on this feature.

The G8/Commodore SS use the large screen as a multifunction display for radio and HVAC systems. Navigation and Bluetooth should just carry over from the AUD models, but I'm guessing there may be more time needed for map data and software revisions to get them to work on US models, unless GMNA thinks they need to strip features out of the car, a'la GTO.

[Jeffro]

I wonder if you can get turn-by-turn nav w/ onstar?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Imperator
:confused: HUD is less useful to me than navigation. Even though I grew up in this area and know most of the streets/shortcuts, I still use my navigation system regularly. It's extremely useful for calculating remaining distance, finding nearby POIs that I'm unfamiliar with, looking up phone numbers and finding alternate routes to a destination. It became a life saver when I used it to cut through some neighborhoods to bypass MILES of traffic backed up on a single exit lane en route to a concert two weeks ago, and even better when I need to find a way out of unfamiliar territory.

I've had a navigation system in my past three vehicles and will never look back on this feature.


motherfucking :werd: there is ZERO excuse for gm not including nav in this vehicle

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I wonder if you can get turn-by-turn nav w/ onstar?

i use the map screen to see the roads around me more than i actually use the turn by turn. onstar ftl.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I wonder if you can get turn-by-turn nav w/ onstar?

Absolutely.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Absolutely.

that is worthless when you want to see the roads around you because you're trying to get around an obstacle. not equivalent. gm fails if they don't offer nav in this vehicle.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by dave1w41
All automotive advancements are good even if you never use them.. ... now that's a stupid fucking rationalization if ever I heard it. - especially when you use one as useless as navigation to accept/reject an automobile.

http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/dec/02/images/b28847.jpg

http://www.powersportcars.com/images/upload/items/black.cont.kit.jpg

http://www.inventorsgarage.com/blog4/media/1/20070623-feeler.jpg

Among other useless items created by car companies; swivel seats, talking driver info messages, touch screens, I-Drive, etc.

I'm much more 100x as upset that this top-end Pontiac has no HUD than I am about the nav. Even that wouldn't stop me from at least considering it.

Let's get one thing straight, Dave. General Motors could release a car with 110 horsepower going to the front-left wheel only, the steering wheel in the back seat, and no doors, and you'd still find some way to justify its creation and tell us why it was a good car.

:p

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Berman
that is worthless when you want to see the roads around you because you're trying to get around an obstacle. not equivalent. gm fails if they don't offer nav in this vehicle.


And even more laughable to consider the time GM spent converting the Aussie's Telematics system to OnStar for the US market, while overlooking the navigation system and omitting Bluetooth completely. :mad:

[DaveB]

Amazing you can get navigation and HIDs in a $20k Mazda 3 but neither on Pontiacs top new vehicle. :rolleyes:

[46CALLAWAY]

Hopefully those options will be available in the GXP model.

[briantech]

Originally posted by DaveB
Amazing you can get navigation and HIDs in a $20k Mazda 3 but neither on Pontiacs top new vehicle. :rolleyes:

What is pontiacs other top new vehicle besides the G8?

[carpenter]

Originally posted by briantech
What is pontiacs other top new vehicle besides the G8?

Think you misread what he said.

[carpenter]

Originally posted by dave1w41
I just personally think that it's one of the most overrated and useless gimmicks ever to befall the auto industry. 99.9% of the people that have it paid $1000+ to have a display on their dash that says in not so many words; "This is where I am". Data they could just as easily gather by looking out the window.

Who wants to sit and fuck around with a map when you can punch in a few buttons and sit back and let the car tell you where to go. We traveled to Missouri this past weekend from Wisconsin and used my navigation all the time once we were there. Everywhere we went.. POI SEARCH.

Does a map tell you where your bank is?
Does it tell you where specific restaurants are you want to eat at?
Does it list all restaurants within a 2 miles radius? Certainly is a lot nicer than looking out your window and saying "fuck it, let's just eat McDonald's". Pontiac missed the boat by not offering nav.

No matter how you look at it having nav is 100X better than fucking with a map and writing down directions and then figuring out where to go if you have a detour or construction.

I guess if you stay at home and never travel you don't really need nav, but they are certainly the cats ass when you are driving to a vacation destination.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by dave1w41
All automotive advancements are good even if you never use them.. ... now that's a stupid fucking rationalization if ever I heard it. - especially when you use one as useless as navigation to accept/reject an automobile.

http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/dec/02/images/b28847.jpg

http://www.powersportcars.com/images/upload/items/black.cont.kit.jpg

http://www.inventorsgarage.com/blog4/media/1/20070623-feeler.jpg

Among other useless items created by car companies; swivel seats, talking driver info messages, touch screens, I-Drive, etc.

I'm much more 100x as upset that this top-end Pontiac has no HUD than I am about the nav. Even that wouldn't stop me from at least considering it.

Dave you are thinking with the type of thought that kills a company. It doesn't matter what you think about something as a producer, you aren't making it for yourself, you are making it for the consumer. Consumers ultimately dictate the market, if they want some option you think is ridiculous/worthless...who cares, they want it.

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by carpenter

...they are certainly the cats ass when you are driving to a vacation destination.

:werd:

But "bees' knees" > "cat's ass" anyday. :p

[krispycobalt]

What disappoints me is the 5700 peak hp and 6000 redline figure, hopefully they can work that out better. Also, chrome carbook has released the info and still has the l76 @ 362hp.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Polemicist
Let's get one thing straight, Dave. General Motors could release a car with 110 horsepower going to the front-left wheel only, the steering wheel in the back seat, and no doors, and you'd still find some way to justify its creation and tell us why it was a good car.

:p

That's false; I've already told you my perception of where GM isn't competitive numerous times and there's plenty of areas. It's not this car though IMHO.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Dave you are thinking with the type of thought that kills a company. It doesn't matter what you think about something as a producer, you aren't making it for yourself, you are making it for the consumer. Consumers ultimately dictate the market, if they want some option you think is ridiculous/worthless...who cares, they want it.

I'm not the "producer"; I'm not at that kind of decison making level. It's my personal opinion.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by carpenter


Does a map tell you where your bank is?
Does it tell you where specific restaurants are you want to eat at?
Does it list all restaurants within a 2 miles radius? Certainly is a lot nicer than looking out your window and saying "fuck it, let's just eat McDonald's". Pontiac missed the boat by not offering nav.

No matter how you look at it having nav is 100X better than fucking with a map and writing down directions and then figuring out where to go if you have a detour or construction.

I guess if you stay at home and never travel you don't really need nav, but they are certainly the cats ass when you are driving to a vacation destination.

On Star does all that. :shrug: and you only have to touch one button and talk to an advisor rather than drive off a cliff while you study a 4 x5" screen.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by dave1w41
I'm not the "producer"; I'm not at that kind of decison making level. It's my personal opinion.

Ok, well the thought process you have + decision making capabilities = what I said in the last post. And having a screen vs. having someone tell you just isn't the same. Visual vs. auditory; its like watching TV vs. listening to someone telling you about it.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by dave1w41
On Star does all that. :shrug: and you only have to touch one button and talk to an advisor rather than drive off a cliff while you study a 4 x5" screen.

jesus christ. are you this dense? GM should cater to what customers fucking want. read this thread. WE WANT NAV NOT FUCKING TURN BY TURN ONSTAR BULLSHIT.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Ok, well the thought process you have + decision making capabilities = what I said in the last post. And having a screen vs. having someone tell you just isn't the same. Visual vs. auditory; its like watching TV vs. listening to someone telling you about it.

Yeah watching TV while driving down the road is a good plan.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Berman
jesus christ. are you this dense? GM should cater to what customers fucking want. read this thread. WE WANT NAV NOT FUCKING TURN BY TURN ONSTAR BULLSHIT.

Why? Because one has a pretty little screen and the other does not. GM should cater to what the customers want; like I said, it's my personal opinion. I think it ridiculously stupid to pay $1000 for something you basically get free with any GM car. Let me guess; you have never even tried it have you?

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Why? Because one has a pretty little screen and the other does not. GM should cater to what the customers want; like I said, it's my personal opinion. I think it ridiculously stupid to pay $1000 for something you basically get free with any GM car.

The GM fans aren't on your side, Dave.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Polemicist
The GM fans aren't on your side, Dave.

Fine. And?

I think it's useless especially when you get exact same functions without having to study a tiny screen with any GM car. I guess if you must have a useless $1000 gimmick someone who makes decisions will probably make sure you get it.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Fine. And?

I think it's useless especially when you get exact same functions without having to study a tiny screen with any GM car. I guess if you must have a useless $1000 gimmick someone who makes decisions will probably make sure you get it.

My next car may very well be a GM product (Corvette) - but I wouldn't buy one without navigation. It's a good thing that GM still incorporates this useful tool into some of their cars.

[DaveB]

While I've never used Onstar, my friend has Nav in his Acura TSX and the map is great. Especially in a confusing interection that you might not be familiar with where a zoomed in diagram of where you need to turn is a great addition to the verbal commands that it uses as well. My next vehicle will definitely have it. I had planned on it being a G8 GT, though I may go with a used TL Type S 6 speed like I had originally planned.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by DaveB
While I've never used Onstar, my friend has Nav in his Acura TSX and the map is great. Especially in a confusing interection that you might not be familiar with where a zoomed in diagram of where you need to turn is a great addition to the verbal commands that it uses as well. My next vehicle will definitely have it. I had planned on it being a G8 GT, though I may go with a used TL Type S 6 speed like I had originally planned.

YOU DON'T NEED A STUPID GIMMICK! BUY GM! :mad:

[LS1MONSTER]

I would expect a car such as the G8 to have a navigation system as standard equipment. I mean this is their premium sedan right?

[cm_ls1]

i can't believe you guys have gone on about how there is no nav or bluetooth for 3 fuckin pages :rolleyes:

whats gunna happen when they update the list and announce that yes its in there ?

is there anything else you don't like about the car ? tell us how you really feel ,, hmm , ey ? :D

[Blade]

Originally posted by Bossman 2.0
What's with all the pussys who require navigation systems?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i can't believe you guys have gone on about how there is no nav or bluetooth for 3 fuckin pages :rolleyes:

whats gunna happen when they update the list and announce that yes its in there ?

is there anything else you don't like about the car ? tell us how you really feel ,, hmm , ey ? :D

i like everything but the lack of nav... and lack of 400hp.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by Berman
i like everything but the lack of nav... and lack of 400hp.

i also wish it had more power. perhaps itll be underrated. if not im betting they'll be a more powerful GXP version. :)

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by Berman
and lack of 400hp.

true, but with the better heads you could get a GM performance cam or even an ls2 cam and gain from around 35 to who knows how much horsepower

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
true, but with the better heads you could get a GM performance cam or even an ls2 cam and gain from around 35 to who knows how much horsepower

I don't know if the DOD hardware would still function tho.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
true, but with the better heads you could get a GM performance cam or even an ls2 cam and gain from around 35 to who knows how much horsepower


its safe to say stock tunes will be conservative at best.

[46CALLAWAY]

Just retuning the car should get you close to 400.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by HSV-GTS-300
I don't know if the DOD hardware would still function tho.

hopefully theres tuning software to keep it intact.

[shuck]

Awesome looking car, I am not in the market for one but looks good, and the interior looks on point. The HP is great, of course there is no NAV but that is something I don't care for or want. I would like a HUD in there but hey.

[Frcefed98]

I'm in for one, i'm leaning toward black, but i'm not sure if i'm ready for that color tho:(


No NAV required for me, never needed one:shrug:

More HP isn't a problem as there is a turbo kit for it already:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/us/g8_gentt.html

And like any other LSx derivative it'll respond to bolt ons very nicely.

Now which color should I go with here in the desert southwest???
J:D

[Tristan]

Originally posted by Frcefed98
I'm in for one, i'm leaning toward black, but i'm not sure if i'm ready for that color tho:(


No NAV required for me, never needed one:shrug:

More HP isn't a problem as there is a turbo kit for it already:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/us/g8_gentt.html

And like any other LSx derivative it'll respond to bolt ons very nicely.

Now which color should I go with here in the desert southwest???
J:D



NICE! I'm in :D


and you know what color...:secret:

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
true, but with the better heads you could get a GM performance cam or even an ls2 cam and gain from around 35 to who knows how much horsepower

:lol: @ people putting heads and cam on a brand-new "luxury" sedan

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Polemicist
:lol: @ people putting heads and cam on a brand-new "luxury" sedan

Hey, its normal, acceptable, and completely rational to void the 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty on your brand new $30k+ car, right?

[Xavier]

Here it is in Black!:cool:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/Xavier1320/G8.jpg
sign me up!

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by Polemicist
:lol: @ people putting heads and cam on a brand-new "luxury" sedan

Read again.
Car already has great heads (L92).....so we're talking cam and tune.

[LS1MONSTER]

Originally posted by Xavier
Here it is in Black!:cool:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/Xavier1320/G8.jpg
sign me up!

:drool:

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by HSV-GTS-300
Read again.
Car already has great heads (L92).....so we're talking cam and tune.

HAY

Hey, its normal, acceptable, and completely rational to void the 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty on your brand new $30k+ car, right?

Read again!

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Polemicist
Read again!

Nooooo!!

[jmd]

I wouldn't want On*.

I want internet. Full blown, driver-distracting, keeps me from using my turn signal, takes my mind so much I forget to shift gears internet.

[GMRL]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Hey, its normal, acceptable, and completely rational to void the 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty on your brand new $30k+ car, right?

Actually it is, that is why we are here right?

[46CALLAWAY]

You can put in the LS2 cam or a sleeper cam which is a little bit more aggressive than the LS2 cam and the dealership would never know!

[Element]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i can't believe you guys have gone on about how there is no nav or bluetooth for 3 fuckin pages :rolleyes:

whats gunna happen when they update the list and announce that yes its in there ?

is there anything else you don't like about the car ? tell us how you really feel ,, hmm , ey ? :D

The absolute shit audio system. People are bitching about lack of nav, but seriously, Blaupunkt speakers are about $15 a set. They're trash.

:boggled:

Hell if I know why GM went with that, though. VW went with Infinity and has actually won sound-quality competitions with OEM setups.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by GMRL
Actually it is, that is why we are here right?

No, we're not here because we all modify brand-new cars that have good warranties. The fact of the matter is that few people will bother with serious modifications on a "luxury" sedan right out of the box, given the warranty.

Unlike a Trans Am or Camaro, this car is geared to be the working man's alternative to the AMG or ///M cars, suitable for use as a daily driver. It's doubtful a serious portion of buyers will decide to port the heads and put a new camshaft in immediately.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Polemicist
No, we're not here because we all modify brand-new cars that have good warranties. The fact of the matter is that few people will bother with serious modifications on a "luxury" sedan right out of the box, given the warranty.

Unlike a Trans Am or Camaro, this car is geared to be the working man's alternative to the AMG or ///M cars, suitable for use as a daily driver. It's doubtful a serious portion of buyers will decide to port the heads and put a new camshaft in immediately.

:werd:

although it would help GM with the warranty cost (since they could void more)

[Boz]

Originally posted by dave1w41
I just personally think that it's one of the most overrated and useless gimmicks ever to befall the auto industry. 99.9% of the people that have it paid $1000+ to have a display on their dash that says in not so many words; "This is where I am". Data they could just as easily gather by looking out the window.

do you travel out of state much for your job?

i travel out of state once every 2-3 months and each time i rent a vehicle i purchase the NAV option because it is invaluable

looking outside the window in a metro area i've never been in certainly does not help me when i'm lost... but what really sells me on it is it can direct to businesses and entertainment venues

i need to find the nearest Alltex for supplies or the nearest karaoke bar after dinner, i can do so at the push of a button

[Tristan]

Originally posted by Xavier
Here it is in Black!:cool:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/Xavier1320/G8.jpg
sign me up!


:drool: holy shit count me in

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Element
The absolute shit audio system. People are bitching about lack of nav, but seriously, Blaupunkt speakers are about $15 a set. They're trash.

:boggled:

Hell if I know why GM went with that, though. VW went with Infinity and has actually won sound-quality competitions with OEM setups.

ive heard the system and its about on par with most manufacturer systems,

what did you think they where going to throw in $10k rainbows , in a 30k car ?

they spent the money on the suspension , go take it for a drive ! :cool: :eek:

oh and by the way XM looks like it will make it - http://www.gmcanada.com/gm/static/english/vehicles/2007/pontiac/g8/technology.html

all these extras are beeing updated , NAV soon to follow ;)

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
ive heard the system and its about on par with most manufacturer systems,
what did you think they where going to throw in $10k rainbows , in a 30k car ?
they spent the money on the suspension , go take it for a drive ! :cool: :eek:

Excellent post.
:drunk2:

(I'm having trouble finding a 6 litre V8, 4 door family sized, rear wheel drive VW with an award winning stereo for less than $40k)

[Hilton]

One of the reasons I didn't buy a GTO was that it was a 2 door. I can't wait to see this car.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Boz
do you travel out of state much for your job?

i travel out of state once every 2-3 months and each time i rent a vehicle i purchase the NAV option because it is invaluable

looking outside the window in a metro area i've never been in certainly does not help me when i'm lost... but what really sells me on it is it can direct to businesses and entertainment venues

i need to find the nearest Alltex for supplies or the nearest karaoke bar after dinner, i can do so at the push of a button

And? That's a rental car. How often do you really "need" it in your personal car? Enough to pay $1000 and then pay for updates/subscription? No way..

BTW; GM offered fleets Guidestar GPS based navigation system similar to what is offered today in 1995. They also offered it as a $1995 option to the general public; no one bought it.

http://www.oldsmobile.com/olds/enthusiasts/images/history/Hst1995_1z.jpg

It might be worth pointing out that this was the first navigation system ever offered in any automobile.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by dave1w41
And? That's a rental car. How often do you really "need" it in your personal car? Enough to pay $1000 and then pay for updates/subscription? No way..

BTW; GM offered fleets Guidestar GPS based navigation system similar to what is offered today in 1995. They also offered it as a $1995 option to the general public; no one bought it.

http://www.oldsmobile.com/olds/enthusiasts/images/history/Hst1995_1z.jpg

It might be worth pointing out that this was the first navigation system ever offered in any automobile.

BUYERS WANT NAV. THIS THREAD DEMONSTRATES THAT. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[wickedss]

A built-in NAV is what people want...not some unit duct taped to the dash.

[cm_ls1]

this is what the g8 nav looks like -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PisfNUxEfwA

[kasim]

Originally posted by dave1w41
On Star does all that. :shrug: and you only have to touch one button and talk to an advisor rather than drive off a cliff while you study a 4 x5" screen.


:lol: you REALLLY need to realize there is a HUGE segment that wants Nav .. .and not on blurr.

Onstar is great for my parents who want it only for emergencies (not to mention it is a subscription fee something nav isnt)

The fact is .... quite simply ... i personally refuse to pay over $35k (heck realistically over $30k) for a 4 door car that does not have HID or NAV. Bottom line.

[HSV-GTS-300]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
this is what the g8 nav looks like -

Think we could get the lads in Adelaide to program G8's with the voice of Fran Drescher or Judge Judy ???

:D

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Berman
BUYERS WANT NAV. THIS THREAD DEMONSTRATES THAT. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I wasn't saying they don't; but I sure as fuck don't need it.

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by wickedss
A built-in NAV is what people want...not some unit duct taped to the dash.

How old were you 12 years ago? Did you even exist or were you just a twinkle in your mom's eye...? That was the first in-car navigation system EVER; in 1995 .

[Roush97]

Originally posted by dave1w41
I wasn't saying they don't; but I sure as fuck don't need it.

good for you and people like me do need it. I would rather have NAV then some bullshit on* shit. So not having NAV would keep me from buying this car.

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by kasim
:lol: you REALLLY need to realize there is a HUGE segment that wants Nav .. .and not on blurr.

Onstar is great for my parents who want it only for emergencies (not to mention it is a subscription fee something nav isnt)

The fact is .... quite simply ... i personally refuse to pay over $35k (heck realistically over $30k) for a 4 door car that does not have HID or NAV. Bottom line.

So what cars can you get with HID and NAV for under 35k?

[DaveB]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
this is what the g8 nav looks like -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PisfNUxEfwA

Hope we get it :xfings:

[DaveB]

Originally posted by Checkmate
So what cars can you get with HID and NAV for under 35k?

Available on the Mazda 3 S Grand Touring ($23,575 with both), Mazda RX8 ($32,130 with both), Acura TSX ($31,005 with both) and those are just the ones I knew of the top of my head.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Polemicist
HAY



Read again!

He pointed out you said something about putting heads on it and that was not the case, a cam an tune were mentioned:sorry:

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by kasim
[B
Onstar is great for my parents who want it only for emergencies (not to mention it is a subscription fee something nav isnt)

[/B]

DVD updates for the Acura are $180.00 and the live traffic/poi finder features are extra cost subscriptions.

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by Berman
i like everything but the lack of nav... and lack of 400hp.

362 HP is good for the mid-level GT. The GXP will have 430+ easily. Only problem is the wait.

Oh and the G8 should have Nav.

Originally posted by Polemicist
:lol: @ people putting heads and cam on a brand-new "luxury" sedan

The G8 GT will probably be a $25k to $30k car. It's no Mercedes. :shrug:

If the idle is still stockish and the driveability remains the same, and someone wants more power, what's wrong with putting a cam in a G8?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC

If the idle is still stockish and the driveability remains the same, and someone wants more power, what's wrong with putting a cam in a G8?

you're not going to get a stockish idle with a cam that adds a lot of power ;)

[briantech]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
362 HP is good for the mid-level GT. The GXP will have 430+ easily. Only problem is the wait.

Oh and the G8 should have Nav.



The G8 GT will probably be a $25k to $30k car. It's no Mercedes. :shrug:

If the idle is still stockish and the driveability remains the same, and someone wants more power, what's wrong with putting a cam in a G8?

how much does it cost to put that cam in including labor and parts?

[jeeplaw]

I'm not biting on the styling..that's for sure. Love the fact it has a stick though.

Could always get into one of these bad boys with Nav/HID..not sure off the top of my head what the price point is

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/2646422442120621.JPG?0.5151302603742869

But it's got similar stats to the G8 (minus stick).

[Tristan]

Originally posted by briantech
how much does it cost to put that cam in including labor and parts?


well, if you really want to pay someone else to do it, my guess would be $600-$750. or, like a lot of people on here, do it yourself and just pay for the cam.

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by Berman
you're not going to get a stockish idle with a cam that adds a lot of power ;)

With an LS2 cam and a tune, I guarantee the G8 would have over 400 at the crank and would idle stock. :) Maybe that's not typical for most cars, but it's do-able for the G8 since it's so tame from the factory.

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by 92LT1RS
well, if you really want to pay someone else to do it, my guess would be $600-$750. or, like a lot of people on here, do it yourself and just pay for the cam.

:werd:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
With an LS2 cam and a tune, I guarantee the G8 would have over 400 at the crank and would idle stock. :) Maybe that's not typical for most cars, but it's do-able for the G8 since it's so tame from the factory.

since it's a 6.2 instead of a 6.0, you could go a little bigger than the ls2 cam and still have a stock idle. hell, the ls2 cam is just the '01 ls6 cam. the '02 ls6 cam was bigger. :lol:

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by Berman
since it's a 6.2 instead of a 6.0, you could go a little bigger than the ls2 cam and still have a stock idle. hell, the ls2 cam is just the '01 ls6 cam. the '02 ls6 cam was bigger. :lol:

The G8 GT is a 6.2? I thought the 6.2 was going in the GXP? :think:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
The G8 GT is a 6.2? I thought the 6.2 was going in the GXP? :think:

Its a 6.0.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
The G8 GT will probably be a $25k to $30k car. It's no Mercedes. :shrug:

If the idle is still stockish and the driveability remains the same, and someone wants more power, what's wrong with putting a cam in a G8?

:werd:

I wouldn't consider the G8 to be a luxo sedan. Its a sport sedan. Wouldn't anyone have a problem w/ a modded Hemi Charger?

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by MapleRed
:werd:

I wouldn't consider the G8 to be a luxo sedan. Its a sport sedan. Wouldn't anyone have a problem w/ a modded Hemi Charger?


though i probably wouldnt get crazy id modify a G8. :shrug:

[DaveB]

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
though i probably wouldnt get crazy id modify a G8. :shrug:

:werd:

LTs, catback, cold air, reflash, and a shifter are probably as far as I'd go. Along with tint and HIDs.

[Rob Almighty]

The G8 GT is not going to be under $30,000.

[BrightRedOne]

Originally posted by dave1w41
How old were you 12 years ago? Did you even exist or were you just a twinkle in your mom's eye...? That was the first in-car navigation system EVER; in 1995 .


1981 Nav (http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1981navigationsystem/photo/01.html)

http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1981navigationsystem/img/pho_01.jpg

Honda's Electro Gyrocator-the world's first navigation system for use in a car

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Polemicist
The G8 GT is not going to be under $30,000.

:werd:

I'm thinking at the very least 32k base MSRP

[Quadcammer]

this navigation discussion is SO ridiculous.

why have any features.

who needs heated seats, just wear warmer clothes.
Who needs power seats, just move it yourself
who needs power windows, the hand crank is fine.
automatic climate control? nah, shit's got windows right? You want heat, open up a flap in the firewall
Radio? shit man, just hum to yourself.

Sunroof? useless
tilting and telescoping steering wheel=for pussies
etc etc.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by BrightRedOne
1981 Nav (http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1981navigationsystem/photo/01.html)

http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1981navigationsystem/img/pho_01.jpg
:Owned:

[Rob Almighty]

I'll call you tonight, Oliver. I have mock trial practice in a few.

[Carsnob]

I don't care about NAV...

What I do care about and what I haven't seen in this thread is...

OPEN DIFF OR NOT???

[DaveB]

http://g8gt.com/t1964-2/

Looks like a limited slip.

[mrgto]

http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2008&butID=1&regionID=1&divisionID=7&vehicleID=6090&type=0

V8 gets a posi, V6 doesn't.

[Checkmate]

I believe cm_ls1 made a post somewhere saying that a cold air induction and tune gave 20-30hp. Maybe more I can't remember, hopefully he can post that info here. :)

[wickedss]

I'd be shocked if it came in under $35,000 out the door..

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Checkmate
I believe cm_ls1 made a post somewhere saying that a cold air induction and tune gave 20-30hp. Maybe more I can't remember, hopefully he can post that info here. :)

here is where the g8 gets its air from , behind the headlight through this narrow inlet ...

http://g8gt.com/attachments/169d1171856721-cai3.jpg

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
here is where the g8 gets its air from , behind the headlight through this narrow inlet ...

http://g8gt.com/attachments/169d1171856721-cai3.jpg

That can be tweaked. :D

[cm_ls1]

i want a Panther black G8 GT , with black onyx leather , 6 speed

that is all ! :drool:

http://g8gt.com/attachments/451d1190992056-image4a.jpg
http://g8gt.com/attachments/446d1190991560-image3a.jpg

[Tristan]

:stupid:

[Camaro68]

whats the word on the release date?

[Frcefed98]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i want a Panther black G8 GT , with black onyx leather , 6 speed

that is all ! :drool:

http://g8gt.com/attachments/451d1190992056-image4a.jpg
http://g8gt.com/attachments/446d1190991560-image3a.jpg

F@#KIN SOLD!!!

Shouldn't be too hard to keep the paint in good shape:D

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by Camaro68
whats the word on the release date?

Hasn't changed. ;)

[krispycobalt]

I saw one today, it was glorious!

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
I saw one today, it was glorious!

Was it this one:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/09/2007092812146_pg1_rs_opt.jpg

[krispycobalt]

no, it was in person, but same color

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Checkmate
Was it this one:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/09/2007092812146_pg1_rs_opt.jpg

aussie enginner fell asleep at the wheel , in a convoy of test mule g8s & fell down an embankment and obviously rolled it.

Originally posted by krispycamaro
I saw one today, it was glorious!

your impressions , elaborate !

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
your impressions , elaborate !

Very very nice, I want one...maybe 2. I really liked the wheels, umm besides that its everything that you've all seen before; no surprises.

Now I just need to convince myself that I can reasonably justify a $32k RWD V8 that I would have to drive in the winter + likely ridiculous insurance (will be 22, no accidents/tickets, but still a 22/M). I can afford it but it would be quite expensive.

[46CALLAWAY]

www.pontiac.com build your own G8! Specs are out including curb weight. It's 3995lbs for the G8 GT.

[Hobbes]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
www.pontiac.com build your own G8! Specs are out including curb weight. It's 3995lbs for the G8 GT.

I'm not seeing it up there :think:

[Tristan]

its there, down at the bottom of the G8 page

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

should'nt pricing be out by now?

[Element]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i want a Panther black G8 GT , with black onyx leather , 6 speed

that is all ! :drool:

http://g8gt.com/attachments/451d1190992056-image4a.jpg
http://g8gt.com/attachments/446d1190991560-image3a.jpg

Red ring behind tach = stupid idea. Sorta hard to tell where redline with a quick glance...

[Element]

Originally posted by 46CALLAWAY
www.pontiac.com build your own G8! Specs are out including curb weight. It's 3995lbs for the G8 GT.

:fatnana:

[tater]

IS350>G8

[cm_ls1]

whiners ...

this car is hot !

if not black the definately 'evoke' :D

http://www.mpeighty.com/public/images/g8/2.jpg

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
whiners ...

this car is hot !

if not black the definately 'evoke' :D

http://www.mpeighty.com/public/images/g8/2.jpg


orange with sport pkg for me.

[Element]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
whiners ...

this car is hot !

if not black the definately 'evoke' :D

http://www.mpeighty.com/public/images/g8/2.jpg

It'd look a lot cleaner without those Aztek-esque hood slits.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
should'nt pricing be out by now?

you'd think so, its weird its not, production is starting soon

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by Element
It'd look a lot cleaner without those Aztek-esque hood slits.

you sure do like to complain a lot

they look good in person

[Tristan]

Originally posted by pre
IS350>G8


:spit:

[Element]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
you sure do like to complain a lot

they look good in person

I look for faults in everything before I look for the good stuff.

[CT Morgan]

Hmm... like the styling. The GXP version better have some balls though as 355 ain't cutting it as a starting point regardless of the power potential from a cam swap.

The options better get up to par because agree or not, most of us like Nav and Bluetooth in our vehicles. This is not some Pony car so throw that bullshit "you don't need it" excuse out the f'ing window. :nono:

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by BrightRedOne
1981 Nav (http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1981navigationsystem/photo/01.html)

http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1981navigationsystem/img/pho_01.jpg

Never offered for sale. Does not count.

:Owned: :Owned:

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
:Owned:

Wrong. Never offered for sale dumbass; you should check your sources before quoting them. :lol:

[Element]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Hmm... like the styling. The GXP version better have some balls though as 355 ain't cutting it as a starting point regardless of the power potential from a cam swap.

The options better get up to par because agree or not, most of us like Nav and Bluetooth in our vehicles. This is not some Pony car so throw that bullshit "you don't need it" excuse out the f'ing window. :nono:

Especially in a 4000lb vehicle (statement of fact, nothing else).

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Element
Especially in a 4000lb vehicle (statement of fact, nothing else).

Agreed. :yup:

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by 92LT1RS
:spit:

I don't think it's funny, but it's a poor comparison, considering that a loaded IS350 tops $43,000. It's obvious that the Lexus is a better vehicle, but I don't think the G8 GT was meant to compete with a luxury sedan like that.

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Hmm... like the styling. The GXP version better have some balls though as 355 ain't cutting it as a starting point regardless of the power potential from a cam swap.

The options better get up to par because agree or not, most of us like Nav and Bluetooth in our vehicles. This is not some Pony car so throw that bullshit "you don't need it" excuse out the f'ing window. :nono:

its still listed @ 361 on pontiacs website

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Polemicist
I don't think it's funny, but it's a poor comparison, considering that a loaded IS350 tops $43,000. It's obvious that the Lexus is a better vehicle, but I don't think the G8 GT was meant to compete with a luxury sedan like that.


Better if you're looking for a driver-oriented experience with several flavors of performing options, or better for integrated bluetooth, voice activated navigation, scrotum-heaters/coolers, 3-adult seating capacity, and brake-derived "traction control" that can't be completely deactivated? :hmm:

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by Imperator
Better if you're looking for a driver-oriented experience with several flavors of performing options, or better for integrated bluetooth, voice activated navigation, scrotum-heaters/coolers, 3-adult seating capacity, and brake-derived "traction control" that can't be completely deactivated? :hmm:

The latter, which is far more important in a luxury sedan. Furthermore, the IS350 is no slouch with 306 HP; keep in mind it also weighs almost 500 pounds less than the G8 GT (3,527 versus 3,995). I wouldn't say the G8 GT blows it out of the water by any means, spec-wise.

We'll see when it's on the road.

[shuck]

Originally posted by Element
I look for faults in everything before I look for the good stuff.

So if you hate this car so much why do you keep posting in this thread:confused:

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
Hey, its normal, acceptable, and completely rational to void the 5yr/100k mile powertrain warranty on your brand new $30k+ car, right?

It happens more often than you think.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by Cobra Commander
It happens more often than you think.

No, it doesn't.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Polemicist
No, it doesn't.

:werd:

Funnily enough, most people who buy $30k+ cars aren't car enthusiasts intent on modifying their vehicles.

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by 72Tornado
:werd:

Funnily enough, most people who buy $30k+ cars aren't car enthusiasts intent on modifying their vehicles.

Especially when it's a four-door sedan. This isn't a WRX.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Polemicist
Especially when it's a four-door sedan. This isn't a WRX or its gaybox competitor.

Fixed to more fully express your true sentiments :o

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by 72Tornado
Fixed to more fully express your true sentiments :o

:woot:

[cm_ls1]

i hear where you guys are coming from ,

but , i think this car will appeal to a much broader market than us enthusiasts.

wait till they take it for a drive ... there is nothing that matches the engineering that went into this car for the price point ,such a rigid well balanced chassis , steering is superb, the handling(50/50) and ride comfort matches the much smaller fantastic 335i, and yet there is interior the size bigger than an m5 , and trunk space ; 1cu ft bigger than the 300c



now as for why the sat nav , and xm where ommitted who knows, but you must admit the $US dollar is a lot weaker compared to a few years ago when all these decisions where made :dunno:

i think the car will sell well , more than can be produced! with the intro of a v6 ( family hauler)


A) its not saddled with "GTO" expectations.

B) its not restrictive to the general public, 4 doors, trunk space.

and will be also sold in "canada" :p

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by krispycamaro
its still listed @ 361 on pontiacs website

Think 6 ponies changes my comment any?

[kasim]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
i hear where you guys are coming from ,

but , i think this car will appeal to a much broader market than us enthusiasts.

wait till they take it for a drive ... there is nothing that matches the engineering that went into this car for the price point ,such a rigid well balanced chassis , steering is superb, the handling(50/50) and ride comfort matches the much smaller fantastic 335i, and yet there is interior the size bigger than an m5 , and trunk space ; 1cu ft bigger than the 300c


So i take it by that review you have driven this car and the 335i??



now as for why the sat nav , and xm where ommitted who knows, but you must admit the $US dollar is a lot weaker compared to a few years ago when all these decisions where made :dunno:


Huh? Its a car to be mainly sold in the US .... that part doesnt make too much sense.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by kasim


Huh? Its a car to be mainly sold in the US .... that part doesnt make too much sense.

why ?

the car is built in $aus dollars, so its an import , the weaker the US dollar , the more expensive it gets, until they decide to build it there which they intend.

if they include sat nav , xm , and the other standard fetures the price quickly starts approaching CTS levels, and with HSV content may well surpass it .

[kasim]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
why ?

the car is built in $aus dollars, so its an import , the weaker the US dollar , the more expensive it gets, until they decide to build it there which they intend.

if they include sat nav , xm , and the other standard fetures the price quickly starts approaching CTS levels, and with HSV content may well surpass it .

They are optional components. Considering the amount one generally charges extra for it vs cost of material .. it's easy money.

Their really is no execuse

[GMRL]

Originally posted by Quadcammer
this navigation discussion is SO ridiculous.

why have any features.

who needs heated seats, just wear warmer clothes.
Who needs power seats, just move it yourself
who needs power windows, the hand crank is fine.
automatic climate control? nah, shit's got windows right? You want heat, open up a flap in the firewall
Radio? shit man, just hum to yourself.

Sunroof? useless
tilting and telescoping steering wheel=for pussies
etc etc.


I know your joking, but agree with all those statements.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by kasim
They are optional components. Considering the amount one generally charges extra for it vs cost of material .. it's easy money.

Their really is no execuse

well i don't work for gm so im only guessing , who knows how these guys think , maybe they are listening :badpost: , and will include them as options :p

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by Polemicist
No, it doesn't.

Take a look around.

http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/customers_rides.asp

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Cobra Commander
Take a look around.

http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/customers_rides.asp

Please, for all that is good and sacred in the world, tell me you're joking.

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by 72Tornado
Please, for all that is good and sacred in the world, tell me you're joking.

No, and that's just one shop.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Cobra Commander
Take a look around.

http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/customers_rides.asp

Enthusiasts in general make up a very small portion of the consumer base for most vehicles and especially domestic sedans. Heavy modders are a minority even within the enthusiast community.

It's not common.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Cobra Commander
No, and that's just one shop.

:Picard:

[Rob Almighty]

:rotfl:

He makes me laugh.

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Enthusiasts in general make up a very small portion of the consumer base for most vehicles and especially domestic sedans. Heavy modders are a minority even within the enthusiast community.

It's not common.

Of course it's small, but mods that void the warranty happen often enough that I wouldn't consider it a rarity.

[Quadcammer]

Originally posted by GMRL
I know your joking, but agree with all those statements.

hey man, enjoy it, but realize that you are in the minority among new car buyers.

Most people like features/gadgets/options.

[cm_ls1]

As for the 2 other cars mentioned in this thread , ok i will go to the trouble of makin that comparo for shits and giggles, even though they are quite a bit smaller and not really in the same class.

all these where tested by edmunds-
(and the ss tested is identical spec to the G8 - not HSV )


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2007/bmw.335i/07.bmw.335i.f34.500.jpg


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2007/lexus.is350/07.lexus.is350.act.f34.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.f34.1.500.jpg



Model Year: 2007 / 2007 / 2008
Make: BMW / LEXUS / PONTIAC
Model: 335i / IS350 / G8GT
Base Price: $39,675 / $36,420 / $32,000
Price as Tested: $46,650 / $47,975 / $32,000
Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive / Rear-wheel drive / Rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: 6-speed / 6-speed Automatic / 6-speed manual
Displacement (cc / cu-in): 2979cc (182cu-in) / 3456cc (211cu-in) / 6000cc
Engine Type: Twin turbo-charged inline-6 / V6 / V8
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 300 @ 5,800 / 306 @ 6,400 / 362 @ 5700
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 300 @ 1,400 / 277 @ 4,800 / 391 @ 4400
Manufacturer Curb Weight (lb): 3,593 mfr / 3527 / 3995
Recommended Fuel: Premium unleaded / Premium unleaded / regular unleaded
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 16.1 / 17.1

Performance:
0 - 60 (sec): 5.0 / 5.2 / 5.3
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.4 @ 103.9 / 13.8 @ 101.2 / 13.9 @ 100
60 - 0 (ft): 116 / 114 / 117
Slalom (mph): 68.2 / 66.8 / 67.6
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.88 / 0.87 / 0.87


Specifications:
Length (in): 178.2 / 180.1 / 196.1
Width (in): 71.5 / 70.9 / 74.8
Height (in): 55.9 / 56.1 / 57.7
Wheelbase (in): 108.7 / 107.5 / 114.8
Legroom, front (in): 41.5 / 43.9 / 42.2
Legroom, rear (in): 34.6 / 30.6 / 39.4
Headroom, front (in): 38.5 / 37.2 / 38.7
Headroom, rear (in): 37.5 / 36.7 / 38.0
Maximum Seating Capacity: 5 / 5 / 5
Cargo Volume (cu-ft): 12.0 / 13.0 / 17.5

[Rich97 W68]

Originally posted by Frcefed98
F@#KIN SOLD!!!

Shouldn't be too hard to keep the paint in good shape:D

If the paint is anything like on the GTO, good luck with that. Panther Black Metallic = Phantom Black Metallic. It scratches and chips if you even breathe hard near it.

[Element]

Originally posted by shuck
So if you hate this car so much why do you keep posting in this thread:confused:

I don't remember saying I hate it.

I can pick out fault after fault on my T/A, yet I still drive and enjoy it. More cataloging facts for me than "bitching" about individual things, other than the hood slits (which I hate on anything past '71).

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Element
I don't remember saying I hate it.

I can pick out fault after fault on my T/A, yet I still drive and enjoy it. More cataloging facts for me than "bitching" about individual things, other than the hood slits (which I hate on anything past '71).

agreed. i could give a laundry list of faults with my c6... yet i still love it. :shrug:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
As for the 2 other cars mentioned in this thread , ok i will go to the trouble of makin that comparo for shits and giggles, even though they are quite a bit smaller and not really in the same class.

all these where tested by edmunds-
(and the ss tested is identical spec to the G8 - not HSV )


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2007/bmw.335i/07.bmw.335i.f34.500.jpg


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2007/lexus.is350/07.lexus.is350.act.f34.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.f34.1.500.jpg



Model Year: 2007 / 2007 / 2008
Make: BMW / LEXUS / PONTIAC
Model: 335i / IS350 / G8GT
Base Price: $39,675 / $36,420 / $32,000
Price as Tested: $46,650 / $47,975 / $32,000
Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive / Rear-wheel drive / Rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: 6-speed / 6-speed Automatic / 6-speed manual
Displacement (cc / cu-in): 2979cc (182cu-in) / 3456cc (211cu-in) / 6000cc
Engine Type: Twin turbo-charged inline-6 / V6 / V8
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 300 @ 5,800 / 306 @ 6,400 / 362 @ 5700
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 300 @ 1,400 / 277 @ 4,800 / 391 @ 4400
Manufacturer Curb Weight (lb): 3,593 mfr / 3527 / 3995
Recommended Fuel: Premium unleaded / Premium unleaded / regular unleaded
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 16.1 / 17.1

Performance:
0 - 60 (sec): 5.0 / 5.2 / 5.3
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.4 @ 103.9 / 13.8 @ 101.2 / 13.9 @ 100
60 - 0 (ft): 116 / 114 / 117
Slalom (mph): 68.2 / 66.8 / 67.6
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.88 / 0.87 / 0.87


Specifications:
Length (in): 178.2 / 180.1 / 196.1
Width (in): 71.5 / 70.9 / 74.8
Height (in): 55.9 / 56.1 / 57.7
Wheelbase (in): 108.7 / 107.5 / 114.8
Legroom, front (in): 41.5 / 43.9 / 42.2
Legroom, rear (in): 34.6 / 30.6 / 39.4
Headroom, front (in): 38.5 / 37.2 / 38.7
Headroom, rear (in): 37.5 / 36.7 / 38.0
Maximum Seating Capacity: 5 / 5 / 5
Cargo Volume (cu-ft): 12.0 / 13.0 / 17.5

so basically, the g8 almost keeps up in performance categories (although gets its ass handed to it by the 335i in a straight line) :shrug:

[46CALLAWAY]

13.9 at 100mph? That's slower than both the G35 and the IS350, and of course much slower than the 335i. :rolleyes:

[IBJanky]

Sorry but it doesnt look so good

myke

[Frcefed98]

Originally posted by Rich97 W68
If the paint is anything like on the GTO, good luck with that. Panther Black Metallic = Phantom Black Metallic. It scratches and chips if you even breathe hard near it.

:( Yeah I read that the Goats had paint issues...hope they got em fixed for the G8.

[AG4ME]

It would draw more attention if it has the 400 HP ls2 or the LS3

and what about rolling weight.. looks like a 4.200 pounder at the least

[krispycobalt]

Originally posted by AGOAT4ME
It would draw more attention if it has the 400 HP ls2 or the LS3

and what about rolling weight.. looks like a 4.200 pounder at the least

3995lbs for the V8

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Berman
so basically, the g8 almost keeps up in performance categories (although gets its ass handed to it by the 335i in a straight line) :shrug:

actually edmunds admitted in that article , that they wherent able to get the best time out of the G8 due to having to shift with the left hand (tested in aus) , and felt like it had much more in it, aussie mags consistantly get 13.5 @ 105 with the same car.

you guys dont find it impressive that a fuckin 3995 lb pontiac , can handle and brake within a whisker of the nimble 3500lb bmw and lexus IS350 ?

i suppose it wont sink in until you take it for a test drive ... you will be like - " damn, cm wasnt kidding" ;)

[Rob Almighty]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
actually edmunds admitted in that article , that they wherent able to get the best time out of the G8 due to having to shift with the left hand (tested in aus) , and felt like it had much more in it, aussie mags consistantly get 13.5 @ 105 with the same car.

you guys dont find it impressive that a fuckin 3995 lb pontiac , can handle and brake within a whisker of the nimble 3500lb bmw and lexus IS350 ?

i suppose it wont sink in until you take it for a test drive ... you will be like - " damn, cm wasnt kidding" ;)

You're trying to say a 4,000 pound car with 362 HP will consistently trap 105 MPH?

:boggled:

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by Polemicist
You're trying to say a 4,000 pound car with 362 HP will consistently trap 105 MPH?

:boggled:

yes ! do not underestimate the l76 , GM obviously have in their ratings.

give it a tune to run premium , and it will basically make a stock ls2 its bitch .

[Rob Almighty]

Tune? I'm talking stock.

[Gravy Train]

Originally posted by Polemicist
You're trying to say a 4,000 pound car with 362 HP will consistently trap 105 MPH?

:boggled:


+1. My 4,300# car with 469HP, same 6-speed auto and better rearend ratio (3.23) traps 107 MPH. :o

[cm_ls1]

anyway ,

im done , just wait untill it hits the streets then , and evaluate it yourselves..

i couldnt be botherd arguing.

ahhh check out the brits , they are "maggie" charged , not my fav for of forced , but at least you get a better idea of the size of car on the move !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW52JGR1db8

[TransAmSam]

gimme a ute instead.

[cm_ls1]

Originally posted by TransAmSam
gimme a ute instead.

you'll see it at naias

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

brits are crazier than aussies. :D

[HSV-GTS-300]

Performance figures from Motor Magazine November 06 Issue.
They tested 25 Performance cars that are available on the market here in Australia.

Winner of "Bang for your buck" contest = Holden VE SS



0 - 100 Km (62mph)
Holden VE SS - 5.20


0 - 400 Metres (1312 feet) (Quarter Mile is actually 402 Metres.)
Holden VE SS - 13.40@174.9kmh(108.7mph)


http://www.g8board.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454

[Checkmate]

so... 32k starting price for the GT(v8 version). :umm:

[dave1w41]

I hope some of you can stand being wrong about the price...


DETROIT - Pontiac today confirmed pricing for its new rear-wheel drive G8 performance sedan will start at $27,595 when it hits the streets in early 2008. The V-8 powered G8 GT will be available for $29,995.

“The G8 represents the next phase in Pontiac’s commitment to bring seductively designed, high-performance vehicles to the showroom floor,” said Craig Bierley, Pontiac marketing director. “Our dealers and customers have been anxiously waiting for this vehicle since we first showed it at the Chicago Auto Show in February, so we’re really excited to get this car on the street early next year.”

The G8 is powered by a 3.6-liter VVT V-6 engine and five-speed automatic transmission and comes equipped with a number of standard convenience and safety features, including StabiliTrak electronic stability control, six airbags and OnStar. The G8 GT ups the ante with a 6.0-liter V-8 mated to a six-speed automatic transmission and additional standard equipment.

Customers can get a closer look at the G8 at www.pontiac.com/g8.

[mrgto]

Wow, nice. Wonder what the dealers will upcharge for it....wonder what the option packages will be priced at.

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by dave1w41
I hope some of you can stand being wrong about the price...

:eek: Wow, that's awesome!

[cm_ls1]

even i am shocked ... at that price :eek: :cool:

[wickedss]

Nice pricing...just cheap enough to see a bazillion of them on the road.

This could be the new 300C :(

Still a bad ass car though:cool:

[dave1w41]

Originally posted by mrgto
Wow, nice. Wonder what the dealers will upcharge for it....

And therein lies the problem... They could cut this car's achilles tendon right out of the blocks like the GTO.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by dave1w41
And therein lies the problem... They could cut this car's achilles tendon right out of the blocks like the GTO.

how many are going to be sold here? if GM floods lots with them itll help keep markups down. make them more available and dealers will be less likely to gouge people.


that pricing is very encouraging! a GXP model should be kickass!

[cm_ls1]

so let me get this straight , for under $30k , you get the base model v8 , which is the equivalent to our ss :faint:



http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.act.r34.2.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.det.1.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.whl.500.jpg


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.ip.500.jpg


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/roadtest/07.holden.commodore.ss/07.holden.comodore.ss.shftr.500.jpg

[Quadcammer]

yes, you can get a bare bones V8 (according to the article) for $5 less than 30k.

out the door with some goodies, probably 37k.