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cm_ls1
08-15-2007, 08:39 AM
http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and_future_cars/2008/0708_z+2008_holden_hsv_gts+side.jpg

By Steve Cropley
Photography: Barry Hayden

The wacky idea that General Motors had a few years ago--use a rebadged Holden coupe from Australia to bring back the Pontiac GTO, a true American classic--might have been bold, but it was essentially half-baked. The Aussie two-door was no slouch, but it simply didn't look special enough to carry such an iconic name.

Now GM is trying again with an Australian-built Pontiac, but this time, it has a better plan and a better machine. And it won't be saddling the new arrival with an impossible reputation to live up to. Whereas the GTO was a Holden Monaro coupe that used a chassis and suspension whose bones had been around for ages, this latest effort is an all-new four-door sedan distinguished by some of the best GM family styling around. The base G8 will come with GM's 261-hp, 3.6-liter V-6 hitched to a five-speed automatic. The top-spec G8, the GT, has all the right enhancements: a 6.0-liter, aluminum-block V-8 packing 362 hp at 5700 rpm and 391 lb-ft of torque at 4400 rpm, the choice of six-speed manual or automatic gearboxes, a limited-slip differential, and eighteen-inch aluminum wheels with optional nineteens.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and_future_cars/2008/0708_z+2008_holden_hsv_gts+interior.jpg

We recently had a chance to drive the Holden version of the G8 GT in England. Our HSV GTS test car featured a few additional performance enhancements--including some extra power--and the chassis tuning surely will need to be adapted for American roads, but the drive gave us an excellent idea of what to expect when Pontiac's version goes on sale in early 2008. Initial tests of this HSV have been so promising that some international automotive journalists have been mentioning it in the same breath as the hardest-charging German four-doors--the Audi S6, the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, and even BMW's mighty M5. And it hasn't escaped their attention that these German creations cost far more than the Pontiac G8 GT (estimated at about $35,000). If it ever went away, cheap muscle is back.

Comparing the Holden with the magnificent, 500-hp, V-10-powered M5 is especially interesting: even though the Bimmer is more powerful, the HSV's superior torque helps account for the fact that the sheer grunt of the two cars feels very, very similar.

For GM, this new sedan is extremely important, too. It's the first application of an all-new chassis, suspension, and components set that GM intends to use worldwide, including underneath the next-generation Camaro due in 2009.

Pricing and grunt aside, the similarities between the new GM sedan and the M5 go even deeper. The Pontiac version is only five inches longer and two inches wider, and it's nearly identical in height. Its wheelbase is a shade longer, too, which means that, like the BMW, its footprint is generous and its engine sits well back in the car. GM claims that its front-to-rear weight distribution is very close to 50/50. Both cars use a strut-type front suspension and a multilink independent rear suspension, and both have impressive, vented disc brakes at each end.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and_future_cars/2008/0708_z+2008_holden_hsv_gts+slide.jpg

Our Holden test car's all-black interior feels much roomier than that of a BMW 5-series or a Mercedes E-class. The driver sits low in a wraparound bucket seat that's partially upholstered in leather. The instrument cluster is straightforward, with two white-faced dials grouped under a big eyebrow, plus three smaller gauges above the center stack.

On the road, the HSV's tweaked power is predictably impressive. So is the noise it makes. There's rolling thunder, muted, from the long-legged V-8 when it's turning anywhere above 2500 rpm, and a nice grumble is audible even below that. It'll pull from 1000 rpm without protest, even in the highest gears. However, this Holden sedan's story isn't all about power and torque. Its chassis refinement supports its performance far better than the last GTO. With lots of rubber on the road, decent suspension geometry, impressive weight distribution, firm spring rates, and one of the stiffest GM sedan bodies in history, it's no surprise that the car grips and corners brilliantly, with very little roll and just a whiff of understeer. The brakes always feel light and powerful--and, wonder of wonders, the ride comfort is even pretty good.

So for now, the HSV GTS shows us that the G8 has great potential, and the performance value should make it a real standout. The Pontiac GTO from Down Under may have been strike one, but this new G8 sedan could be a home run.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and_future_cars/2008/0708_z+2008_holden_hsv_gts+rear.jpg

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ULTIMTEORANGESS
08-15-2007, 10:34 AM
:cool: though i wonder if this car really is as good as those cars mentioned.

dave1w41
08-15-2007, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
:cool: though i wonder if this car really is as good as those cars mentioned.

Automobile magazine never does GM any favors so if they are comparing this car to these other vehicles; it's legit.

cm_ls1
08-15-2007, 01:07 PM
looks good too this time round ... even classy :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Firebird68/CTShow07G81b.jpg:eek:

Boss Hogg
08-15-2007, 09:39 PM
Will want one in a couple of years when I have to give back my M35.

DANSBIRD
08-15-2007, 09:51 PM
Seems like if it had a logo from Japan on it, this thread would be very long bashing it from one end to the other about how ugly it is. hm.

4birdman
08-15-2007, 10:09 PM
I don't like the looks of the HSV, but the G8 is pure sex to me.

I want one REALLY bad. :drool:

Kal-El
08-15-2007, 10:38 PM
i love it :drool:

DANSBIRD
08-15-2007, 10:41 PM
That would be so weird shifting w/ the left hand. Would definitely take some getting use to.

Hobbes
08-15-2007, 11:19 PM
I want one

LS1MONSTER
08-15-2007, 11:39 PM
I lub it!..the G8 of course.

Camaro68
08-16-2007, 01:52 AM
when is it on sale?

DaveB
08-16-2007, 01:53 AM
I saw the G8 at the NYC Autoshow. It will definitely be my next car:cool:

briantech
08-16-2007, 02:56 AM
Wow, i started reading this thread getting ready to make my typical "yeah the G8 is gonna be awesome... but that HSV just kills it in the looks department"

based on the pics in this thread though... flip it and reverse it. That G8 is pure fucking sex.

how much you say? $35k? :hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

Harmon Rabb
08-16-2007, 07:15 AM
comparison to the M5 is asinine :Picard:

12.0 @ 120 is not that uncommon for an M5 :lol: somehow I don't see the G8 running that. likewise, road course times on par with a Z51 C6 are common. :lol:

however, for $35k, it looks to be a bad bitch :love: i love the interior especially :yup:

TheNewMonaro
08-16-2007, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Berman
comparison to the M5 is asinine :Picard:

12.0 @ 120 is not that uncommon for an M5 :lol: somehow I don't see the G8 running that. likewise, road course times on par with a Z51 C6 are common. :lol:

however, for $35k, it looks to be a bad bitch :love: i love the interior especially :yup:

They weren't testing a G8, and the GTS isn't going to be the basis for the G8.

cm_ls1
08-16-2007, 08:20 AM
:hmm: im thinking "evoke" with the red interior combo , would be my fav.

http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc662/th_35235_10082007099_122_662lo.jpg (http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35235_10082007099_122_662lo.jpg)_122_662lo.jpg[/IMG]

ULTIMTEORANGESS
08-16-2007, 11:53 AM
at 35k this car will dominate its class. :cool:

Harmon Rabb
08-16-2007, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
at 35k this car will dominate its class. :cool:

i agree. the charger rt, the other car in its class, loses out. the srt-8 is too expensive at ~ $45k.

jeeplaw
08-16-2007, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Berman
i agree. the charger rt, the other car in its class, loses out. the srt-8 is too expensive at ~ $45k.

Performance wise, i'll grudgingly agree with you when comparing it against the Charger R/T..however, looks wise?

I'll take my baby any day :cool:

http://www.therivangroup.com/day5.jpg

TheNewMonaro
08-16-2007, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by cm_ls1
:hmm: im thinking "evoke" with the red interior combo , would be my fav.

http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc662/th_35235_10082007099_122_662lo.jpg (http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35235_10082007099_122_662lo.jpg)_122_662lo.jpg[/thumb]

I can't decide between evoke and black :sadnana:

cm_ls1
08-18-2007, 03:23 PM
how bout the opposite , white !!!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m39/sselva/P8180061.jpg

DaveB
08-18-2007, 04:27 PM
Very :cool: . I like it a lot better without the big wing.

HSV-GTS-300
08-19-2007, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by Berman
comparison to the M5 is asinine :Picard:
however, for $35k, it looks to be a bad bitch :love: i love the interior especially :yup:

Deceptive article.
The HSV GTS shown costs almost twice as much as the Holden SS or SSV which will be closer specs to the actual G8. No point thinking you will be getting a top of the range sports V8, 20"wheels, massive brakes, magnetic suspension & full leather interior with all the gadgets shown in those pics for $35k.

Have a look here at Holden Commodore VE , SV6 and SS are closer to what you should be looking at.

Omega = poverty pack V6
SV6 = "sportier looking" V6
SS = base model V8
SS-V = sportier V8 model

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=4

HSV-GTS-300
08-20-2007, 12:12 AM
Deceptive article.

Worse still the red car shown isn't even a HSV GTS.

Quad pipes are gone, MRC is not fitted, all HSV + all GTS + all 307 badges are gone....replaced with Vauxhall badges. At best it's an R8 with Vauxhall badges.

DANSBIRD
08-20-2007, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by cm_ls1
how bout the opposite , white !!!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m39/sselva/P8180061.jpg

Now that i like :cool:

DANSBIRD
08-20-2007, 12:24 AM
Whats the difference in the HSV & a G8?

cm_ls1
08-20-2007, 12:41 AM
although the artical compares the hsv to the g8 instead of the ss-v series , the stuff they talk about like chassis rigidity , handling , ride comfort , is still telling , after all we are talking about the same chassis with differnt content levels.

and i definately think the small spoiler like this or the g8's looks way nicer !

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m39/sselva/P8180066.jpg

HSV-GTS-300
08-20-2007, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by cm_ls1
although the artical compares the hsv to the g8 instead of the ss-v series , the stuff they talk about like chassis rigidity , handling , ride comfort , is still telling , after all we are talking about the same chassis with differnt content levels.

True.
But after seeing all the whining that went on after the GTO hit USA......(why didnt we get those brakes, steering wheel, bigger wheels, fukn cupholder etc etc).....I think it's best that they are shown closer to what they can expect for their $35k........ie a Holden (not HSV) SS for the G8 & a Holden (not HSV) SV6 for the 6 cylinder.

krispycobalt
08-20-2007, 12:54 AM
I do like the steering wheel on the G8 much more than the one on the GTO, radio buttons are where grand prix/bonnevilles have them (mid level), much easier to use then the bottom center of the wheel

cm_ls1
08-20-2007, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by HSV-GTS-300
True.
But after seeing all the whining that went on after the GTO hit USA......(why didnt we get those brakes, steering wheel, bigger wheels, fukn cupholder etc etc).....I think it's best that they are shown closer to what they can expect for their $35k........ie a Holden (not HSV) SS for the G8 & a Holden (not HSV) SV6 for the 6 cylinder.

they have seen what the "red g8" has and what it looks like ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q3fGlldBIk

HSV-GTS-300
08-20-2007, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by DANSBIRD
Whats the difference in the HSV & a G8?

HSV

GTS................AUD$76k +
R8 .................AUD$63k+
Senator .........AUD$78k+
Grange ..........AUD$83k+
Maloo ............AUD$55k+
Maloo R8 .......AUD$62k+
specs here: http://www.hsv.com.au/index_eseries.asp


Holden

Omega .........AUD$35k+
SV6.............. AUD$40k+
SS................ AUD$45k+
SS-V .............AUD$52.5k+
specs here:http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=4


Pontiac G8
( roughly US$35k+ = roughly AUD$44k+)
Take Australian taxes off the Holden SS-V and thats probably the most you can expect for the US$35k G8 IMO. Maybe even the Holden SS is the level you should be looking at.

HSV-GTS-300
08-20-2007, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by cm_ls1
they have seen what the "red g8" has and what it looks like ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q3fGlldBIk

Same location
HSV marketing vid from 5 years ago
Not so subtle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jffNfy162F4

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