Lets talk Air Rifles (Pellet/BB)

[98 SNAKE EATER]

**EDIT: Scroll Down for pix and videos**




20 years ago, I picked up a couple of cheap Crosman Pumpmaster 760's from Wal-Mart :yup:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmanairrifles.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmanairrifles3.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmanairrifles4.JPG


They both still work great and shoot true, but I'd like to step up to a more powerful break-barrel type rifle :yup:

Like this Tac 77 Elite:

http://www.crosman.com/2004/img/catalog/full/%20CT1K77XKT.jpg


Or this Remington Genesis 1000x:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/remingtonegenesis1000x.jpg



Anyone have one of these?


I'm just looking for sumthin with a bit more range....


Any other suggestions? (around $200 beans)

[F1_SS]

I always liked those Beemans when I was younger.

[Sally 5.0!]

Gamo

[JeffsSS]

what do you shoot?

[Mannix]

RWS 460 Magnum - 1350 fps

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/airgundepot_1959_1386706

:worship:

[ChillPhatCat]

My arsenal:
http://chillcat.fortunecity.net/arsenal.jpg

Daisy Eagle Model 700 something. Got it 8 years ago at K-mart.

Also pictured: 19" Maglite, Stock Cam from an L36, 13" Ka-Bar # 1271

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Sally 5.0!
Gamo


Any particular model?





Originally posted by JeffsSS
what do you shoot?



Just cans :shrug:




















No, not the Mexi kind ;)

[1995blacktattop]

I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!



You'll shoot your eye out, kid ;)

[Wild Willy]

+1 on the RWS- German engineering, and all that nonsense-
I have the Model 54 Diana in .22 cal, not as fast as the .177 but hits harder in case I need to plink a varmint

Beeman are nice, I just don't have one- they make a .25 cal, not inexpensive, I am sure- Yeah, I had one of those Crossmans when I was a teen- not too high velocity, but fairly accurate- something like "micro-groove" rifling, or some such-

Still have a pump 5MM Sheridan, about .20 cal, that I like because you can vary the power- just a couple pumps and it isn't too loud to shoot in the back yard- though, legally, they are considered firearms.

Never seen a BB gun that was very accurate- no rifling will grab those little steel balls so they sort of veer all over- I tend to think of them as a kid's toy. Then there is the ricochet problem, too. The lead pellets tend to splatter-

[triggerjerk]

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165

[Sky042]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Any particular model?





Gamo Shadow 1000 is a break action and very powerful

[edzsilverss]

all I ever had was the daisy bb rifle :wtf:
:ripped:

[Sally 5.0!]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Any particular model?


They are all pretty badass. Personal preference. :cool:

[Neo]

I have a rws model 34 in .177 shoots 1000fps for around $200. It has a nice wood stock too.

[Celerity]

I've got a really old Benjamin. The barrel and all is all brass. Have about 3 of them actually but only one that I actually shoot. I've killed squirrels with it a few times. :shrug:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Sky042
Gamo Shadow 1000 is a break action and very powerful



What is the difference between the Shadow 1000 and the Varmint Hunter?

http://www.airgundepot.com/varmint-hunting-airguns.html



From what I can see (other than the scope/light/laser setup), the VH doesn't have crosshairs :think:


How would I shoot if I took the scope off :confused:

[F1_SS]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
20 years ago, I picked up a couple of cheap Crosman Pumpmaster 760's from Wal-Mart :yup:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmanairrifles.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmanairrifles3.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmanairrifles4.JPG


They both still work great and shoot true, but I'd like to step up to a more powerful break-barrel type rifle :yup:

Like this Tac 77 Elite:

http://www.crosman.com/2004/img/catalog/full/%20CT1K77XKT.jpg


Or this Remington Genesis 1000x:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/remingtonegenesis1000x.jpg



Anyone have one of these?


I'm just looking for sumthin with a bit more range....


Any other suggestions? (around $200 beans)

Whats on the end of the barrel on the first couple of pics?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by F1_SS
Whats on the end of the barrel on the first couple of pics?


ghettosilencer :yup:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

OK, looks like I'm leaning towards the Gamo Whisper :)

http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=234

http://www.gamousa.com/images/rifles/product_whisper.jpg



Both scope and standard sights, 1200 fps and a built in silencer (sotfof) for $229 :cool:

[Victory]

I would get a .22magnum

you can get a marlin or savage for under 200 bucks that will outshoot any air rifle

[Celerity]

Make sure you post a review after you've tried it out. I've got a 2 year old son who'll need his first BB gun soon, and there's no point I can see in getting him a half ass one at first. I remember it pissed me off to hell and back not being able to hit shit with my Daisy when I was a kid.

[Sally 5.0!]

Originally posted by Celerity
Make sure you post a review after you've tried it out. I've got a 2 year old son who'll need his first BB gun soon, and there's no point I can see in getting him a half ass one at first. I remember it pissed me off to hell and back not being able to hit shit with my Daisy when I was a kid.

I don't think your son will be able to cock it. ;)

[BigBadBuford]

I have an old Crossman, they are pretty nice BB guns, I'd like to get another one, my little brother got ahold of mine and left it out in the rain and its just a pile of rust now.
As for the new guns I'd watch out with those break barrel ones, my friend had one when we were younger and he cocked it and the spring broke and jumped out and tore up his arm pretty good. I don't remember what kind it was (this was ~15 years ago) but that turned me off to that type of gun. On the plus side it was much more powerful and accurate than my Crossman.

[Marklar]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
OK, looks like I'm leaning towards the Gamo Whisper :)

http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=234

http://www.gamousa.com/images/rifles/product_whisper.jpg



Both scope and standard sights, 1200 fps and a built in silencer (sotfof) for $229 :cool:


:hmm: so would that thing would kill a home intruder at close range and/or penetrate clothing?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Victory
I would get a .22magnum

you can get a marlin or savage for under 200 bucks that will outshoot any air rifle



Nah, it'll have to be .177 cal cause I've got a TON of leftover ammo....



Originally posted by Celerity
Make sure you post a review after you've tried it out. I've got a 2 year old son who'll need his first BB gun soon, and there's no point I can see in getting him a half ass one at first. I remember it pissed me off to hell and back not being able to hit shit with my Daisy when I was a kid.



LOL


I wouldn't hand a 2 year old any gun unless it squirts water :no:

[Jimmy The Saint]

There's only one air rifle I trust to outgun Black Bart:

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/redryder1940ad.jpg

[Sally 5.0!]

Originally posted by marklar
:hmm: so would that thing would kill a home intruder at close range and/or penetrate clothing?

I quarantee it wouldn't feel very good. They will tear some shit up.

[DennisB]

http://www.mossberg.com

[Celerity]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Nah, it'll have to be .177 cal cause I've got a TON of leftover ammo....







LOL


I wouldn't hand a 2 year old any gun unless it squirts water :no:

Well, he'll need it SOON, until then it's mine :)

[TransAmDriver]

Originally posted by marklar
:hmm: so would that thing would kill a home intruder at close range and/or penetrate clothing?

There is a hunting show where they take a GAMO Hunter with PBA ammo and kill wild hogs with them in one shot to the head.

Found it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nVX0y2Pcj_s

[Marklar]

Originally posted by Sally 5.0!
I quarantee it wouldn't feel very good. They will tear some shit up.


It would be interesting to have something completely legal and easy that could take out an intruder on-hand. My wife refuses to fire my .45.
I keep a pellet-gun in her drawer by her nightstand just to get her used to having one around. At close range if you get shot in the face with that thing on a fresh CO2 catrtidge you aren't gonna advance. I've gotta think that would go into you pretty easily. And that pistol is probably only 350fps but with pointed pellets.

[speed_demon24]

My cheap $100 walmart gun, 1000fps .177 caliber will go through 200 page books. I wouldn't want to get shot with that thing.

[Marklar]

Originally posted by TransAmDriver
There is a hunting show where they take a GAMO Hunter with PBA ammo and kill wild hogs with them in one shot to the head.

Found it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nVX0y2Pcj_s

:eek:

That must be one seriously powerful motha..

[No F-bdy Bs]

Im very partial to pump guns. Having owned 3 break bbl guns, the pump guns are better shooters as the spring jobs have such a jolt to them. Dont bother with BBs, shoot pelets.
Also, go with a larger cal, something like a 20, or 22cal. While the 177s are faster, the larger cals are better "killers" if you want to take small game.

As mentioned before, see if you can find a Sheridan 20cal.
This gun has proven to be one of the best air rifles ever made. I got this one 20 years ago when I was about 10.
I have owned RWS, Beemans, ect. This is by far the best of the bunch.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/nofbdybs/Silverstreak.jpg

[FighterHayabusa]

Originally posted by No F-bdy Bs
Im very partial to pump guns. Having owned 3 break bbl guns, the pump guns are better shooters as the spring jobs have such a jolt to them. Dont bother with BBs, shoot pelets.
Also, go with a larger cal, something like a 20, or 22cal. While the 177s are faster, the larger cals are better "killers" if you want to take small game.

As mentioned before, see if you can find a Sheridan 20cal.
This gun has proven to be one of the best air rifles ever made. I got this one 20 years ago when I was about 10.
I have owned RWS, Beemans, ect. This is by far the best of the bunch.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/nofbdybs/Silverstreak.jpg
we have one too...badass pellet gun

[TransAmDriver]

Another problem with 1000fps+ break action air rifles is the reverse recoil. My Gamo Shadow went through 3 scopes, all marked to handle the unique recoil, before I gave up and used the tru-glow sights. Now it's a bug-hollin' SOB, headshots on chipmunks up to 25-30yds.

[BillyT]

What's the purpose of these over a regular .22 rim fire?

[TARZAN]

They friggin hurt


/story


-Will

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by BillyT
What's the purpose of these over a regular .22 rim fire?



Mainly, the cost of ammo :shrug:


For me, there is none cause I've got enough .177 cal pellets to outlive any air rifle lol (about 85 lbs. worth)


I'd also rather not venture into real firearms....

[Z284U2TRY]

twenty dollars will buy you a few thousand rounds of 22 that should hold you for a bit.

[Victory]

Originally posted by BillyT
What's the purpose of these over a regular .22 rim fire?

you can shoot an air rifle in your backyard:shrug:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Well, looks like I'm gunna pull the trigger (pun) on a new Gamo Whisper :)


Trying to work out a deal with an online retailer to possibly throw a pistol in as well :cool:

[F1_SS]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Well, looks like I'm gunna pull the trigger (pun) on a new Gamo Whisper :)


Trying to work out a deal with an online retailer to possibly throw a pistol in as well :cool:

Post a review on it.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by F1_SS
Post a review on it.

I'll be sure to :yup:


Here's a pretty detailed review on it though...


http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4092&mid=28077#M28077

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Little update



The Whisper arrived earlier today along with a Marksman 1010 Classic pistol (had one when I was a kid)


First impressions...

This thing is BIIIIGGG :eek:

MUCH bigger than the dinky Pumpmasters I'm used to...

So big that it takes up the entire case all by itself (the same case that housed TWO Pumpmasters)


Cocking effort was much easier than I anticipated :)

A slight pull is all it needs :cool:


The scope wasn't mounted, so I went through about 40 mixed pellets using the fiber optic sights and it was dead on accurate hitting every target from 10 to 40 yards :yup:


The reverse recoil is sumthin I'll have to get used to though :\

Feels like the gun wants to yank its way forward :eek:


Mounted the scope and ran about 30 more mixed pellets to get it sighted-in...

Started raining before I could get it fully dialed for height, but she's pretty close right now :yup:


Now here's the deal on the silencer....

The gun's rated for 1000 fps using lead pellets and 1200 fps using Gamo's PBA gold pellets...

When I fired off the standard lead pellets I have (Crosman premier hallow points and Daisy precision pointed), all I could hear was the spring recoil within the gun and the sound of the pellet actually hitting the target :)

VERY quiet :cool:


However, when I used the PBA Raptor gold pellets that was packaged with the rifle, it was a totally different story :\

At 1200 fps, the pellet is supersonic and pretty much sound like the crack of a sonic boom as it exits the muzzle!!

Just as loud as an unsilenced .22 :no:


It's hard to believe how big a difference a simple pellet choice makes :eek:


At 50 yards, there was no difference as far as accuracy goes and other than the major sound change when using the PBA pellets, I didn't really notice a difference in power as each pellet went right through both sides of the freon cans I used as targets :dunno:

I figure I'll just stick with the lead since I have an endless supply and they won't wake up the neighbors :cool:



So far, I'm as happy with my choice, but I do have a few gripes...


The safety feels a bit klunky and takes a bit of muscle to push forward :\

The trigger is equally hard and nowhere near as smooth as the ones on my dinky Pumpmasters :shrug:

It's almost like you have to yank on the trigger to get it to shoot :(

Fortunately there's a common trigger mod for this and I have plans to do it as soon as I get a feel for the gun :yup:


And although I got it at a great deal, I would've preferred to get it without the Gamo scope at a reduced price...

It's decent for what it is, but I'm sure I'll be upgrading soon to an illuminated/Mil-Dot scope....




I'll try to get pix and vids up soon :cool:

[TransAmDriver]

Since it's a Gamo you should be able to adjust the trigger, read your manual and turn the trigger pull all the way down. ;)

[KenV]

Originally posted by marklar
:hmm: so would that thing would kill a home intruder at close range and/or penetrate clothing?

The rifle would, provided you use it for blunt force trauma. Otherwise his cracked-out ass will just become pissed.

Of course, if the intruder is a housecat, knock yourself out :D

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by TransAmDriver
Since it's a Gamo you should be able to adjust the trigger, read your manual and turn the trigger pull all the way down. ;)


Already adjusted it and it feels lighter, but not any smoother :( (still got a yank to it)

BTW, the Gamo manual sucks donkey nutz :bashhead:

It just barely touches the basics and I had to resort to a Gamo forum for more info :o

[Sally 5.0!]

:cool:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Some pix :)


Both the Whisper and the 1010c pistol:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper.JPG




Barrel cocked back:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper2.JPG




Where you load the pellet:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper3.JPG




Couple shots of the silencer:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper4.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper5.JPG




And a few shots showing how much bigger it is compared to the old Pumpmaster:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper6.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper7.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/Gamowhisper8.JPG

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Anyone know anything about scopes?

The one that came with the rifle is fine for what it is, but I'm already looking to upgrade to an illuminated Mil-Dot for night shots :)


Here's the one I'm looking at:


http://www.leapers.com/product%20images/optics/scp3_3124aomdl_a_m.jpg


http://www.leapers.com/pages/optics/accushot%20series%20scope-scp3-3124aomdl-a-c.htm


Goes for about $135 bucks

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Got a new case a few days ago :cool:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/whispercase.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/whispercase2.JPG





Anyhoo, here's a long boring video of me plinking in the backyard





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I used a couple of Bernzomatic canisters @ 30 and 60 yards and a Century 21 sign @ 100 yards...





The first set of shots were with Crosman Premier lead pellets which are subsonic and rather quiet



The second set of shots were with the Gamo PBA Raptor pellets, which go supersonic and are loud as hell (listen for the echoing crack as they break the sound barrier)

[Ls1vazquez]

Why do I have the feeling you have probably been on the FBI's watch list for awhile?

[SteelersRule]

Not to cause chaos in this thread, but who in the hell keeps a BB gun in a case? ...and who gets a silencer for a BB gun? :umm:
I had a Crossman 760 when I was in 6th grade and I don't remember it making much noise at all.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by SteelersRule
Not to cause chaos in this thread, but who in the hell keeps a BB gun in a case?


I do :yup:

We have small children and would rather not keep these things laying around the house :shrug:




...and who gets a silencer for a BB gun? :umm:
I had a Crossman 760 when I was in 6th grade and I don't remember it making much noise at all.


You'd be surprised how far an echo will carry when you're out in the sticks :umm:

The difference the silencer makes is night and day :cool:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Just won a FREE scope from Centerpoint!!


http://www.centerpointoptics.com/25_rimfire/



:woot:

[Smoker_98]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Got a new case a few days ago :cool:

Looks good, pretty big. Off topic slightly . .... nice potato gun. Do you by chance have the plans for that?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Smoker_98
Looks good, pretty big.


Yeah, I needed another lockable hardcase that could also fit ammo and whatever else :cool:



$14 bucks at Wally-World :)



Off topic slightly . .... nice potato gun. Do you by chance have the plans for that?



Sorry, don't have any plans off hand, but it's pretty straight forward as far as parts go :yup:

Here are a couple of pix:

http://www.fuelslut.net/hosting/uploads/spudgun1.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/hosting/uploads/spudgun4.JPG


And of course, some Fuel Slut video ;)


VbyAFoYvS4Y

[Z284U2TRY]

that ammo sounds just like a 22

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Z284U2TRY
that ammo sounds just like a 22



Yeah, the PBA ammo makes a huge difference in sound, so I try to stick with the lead stuff to keep the neighbor's friendly :shrug:



Anyhoo, I've been playing around with a trajectory program that allows me to enter in basic data (ammo weight, type, velocity, range, windage, etc.) and calculates my click adjustments for any given yardage :)



http://www.airguns.net/downloads/stp.jpg


Here's another video of me plinking @ 100 yards:


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[TransAmDriver]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER



calculates my APPROXIMATE click adjustments for any given yardage :)





Fixed. ;)

[98 SNAKE EATER]

LOL

Well, it's pretty damn close ;)


Much closer than me trying to figure that $h!t out in my head :o


Anyhoo, I just ordered an el cheapo laser for close range shots since I usually have her zero'd in @ 100...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280154004639


I figure I'll zero the laser around 30 or so and see if it'll hold....

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Thinking about adding this little one to the collection ;)


http://sunshineairguns.net/catalog/images/recon.jpg

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Thinking about adding this little one to the collection ;)


http://sunshineairguns.net/catalog/images/recon.jpg

More info pls.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
More info pls.


It's a GAMO Recon :cool:

http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=123

Not nearly as powerful (only 525fps w/lead), but is still a break barrel type rifle that's supposedly even more quiet than the Whisper :eek:

It's also pretty cheap ($79 w/scope)

I'm currently looking at a used one w/o scope cause I have an extra variable that's better than the stock fixed scope...

I figure I could use it for close range shooting and still fit in the new case with the Whisper ;)

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
It's a GAMO Recon :cool:

http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=123

Not nearly as powerful (only 525fps w/lead), but is still a break barrel type rifle that's supposedly even more quiet than the Whisper :eek:

It's also pretty cheap ($79 w/scope)

I'm currently looking at a used one w/o scope cause I have an extra variable that's better than the stock fixed scope...

I figure I could use it for close range shooting and still fit in the new case with the Whisper ;)

:cool: Nice for the price.

I would love to have this one.

http://www.gamousa.com//Catalog.aspx?Product=62

WAY too much $ though. But taking down a 180lb hog with an air rifle is insane.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

New Scope and Laser arrived today :D


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/myFREEcenterpointscopeyippie.JPG
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[JUS]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
New Scope and Laser arrived today :D


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/myFREEcenterpointscopeyippie.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/myFREEcenterpointscopeyippie2.JPG
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Mount that badboy!

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by JUS
Mount that badboy!

Gunna mount this one first ;)


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/ebaylasersightnmount2.jpg
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/ebaylasersightnmount.jpg
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/lasersightpressureswitchdoodz.jpg


I'll get to the scope tomorrow cause I wanna go through the instructions before I touch the W/E adjustments (apparently, they're a bit quirky)

[TransAmDriver]

Looks like the new scope may be a tight fit with your current mounting setup.

[426HEMI]

Is that the scope you won?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by TransAmDriver
Looks like the new scope may be a tight fit with your current mounting setup.


Yeah, I eyeballed it and it looks like I'll have a few mm's to spare on the objective :cool:




Originally posted by 426HEMI
Is that the scope you won?

Yep :)


http://www.centerpointoptics.com/25_rimfire/


5th from the bottom...

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Took the time to install it today...


First I yanked the Gamo/BSA 3-9x40mm and took some comparison shots...

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot2.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot3.JPG


The 1-piece mount has a very shallow base, but worked out fine with about 1mm of clearance :eek:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot4.JPG


Used 3 business cards to aid in leveling and by the time I was done sinch'n the caps down, I needed a pair of pliers to yank the cards out :o

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot5.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot6.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot7.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot8.JPG

A couple shots installed :cool:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot9.JPG

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot10.JPG


Now, all this time I was worried about the rear fiber optic sight being in the field of view :rolleyes:

After checking at all ranges, it was clear and I thought I was good to go :o

Then I went to close the front cap and soon realized I had to yank it :(

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/centerpointinstallwoot11.JPG


I've only had a chance to sight it in at 10 yards (started raining before I could set the target our further), but I took about 100 shots at that distance and she seems to be holding up quite well :cool:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Short video of the Laser Sight ;)


hxom_HffyDQ

[426HEMI]

Not a fan of the :quote: Laser :quote: but I like the scope. How are the optics on it? Seem like a quality scope?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Not a fan of the :quote: Laser :quote: but I like the scope. How are the optics on it? Seem like a quality scope?



Well, the laser is mainly for short range shooting :shrug:

I usually have my scopes zero'd in @ 100 yards and if I wanted to take a shot up close (say 20-25 yards), I'd have to make around 100 clicks to get it centered :o

Laser makes it much easier...

As for optics on the CenterPoint, the eye relief seems a bit short at just 2"

It's acually about the same as the previous 3-9x40mm BSA, but I was expecting more from a scope with a large objective :shrug:

The AO takes a bit of getting used to as I have to adjust paralax every 20 yards or so :\

The previous scope had a fixed paralax and it just seemed easier to let my eye do the focusing :dunno:

I love the Mil-Dot reticle, but the illumination is more of a gimmick than anything as it has quite a bit of tube glare, even on its lowest setting :(

I think I'm better off using the scope with the illumination turned off (black reticle) and the laser illuminating the target at night :cool:

Still have yet to really play with it though...


I think it's a great bargain for the money (especially since I got mine for free), but if I had to choose, I'd opt for one of their power class scopes as they don't seem to have nearly as much tube glare and have a better knob locking system :cool:


Here's a little review one of the others put together with his free 8-32x56mm Power Class :yup:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198826

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Well, the laser is mainly for short range shooting :shrug:

I usually have my scopes zero'd in @ 100 yards and if I wanted to take a shot up close (say 20-25 yards), I'd have to make around 100 clicks to get it centered :o

Laser makes it much easier...

As for optics on the CenterPoint, the eye relief seems a bit short at just 2"

It's acually about the same as the previous 3-9x40mm BSA, but I was expecting more from a scope with a large objective :shrug:

The AO takes a bit of getting used to as I have to adjust paralax every 20 yards or so :\

The previous scope had a fixed paralax and it just seemed easier to let my eye do the focusing :dunno:

I love the Mil-Dot reticle, but the illumination is more of a gimmick than anything as it has quite a bit of tube glare, even on its lowest setting :(

I think I'm better off using the scope with the illumination turned off (black reticle) and the laser illuminating the target at night :cool:

Still have yet to really play with it though...


I think it's a great bargain for the money (especially since I got mine for free), but if I had to choose, I'd opt for one of their power class scopes as they don't seem to have nearly as much tube glare and have a better knob locking system :cool:


Here's a little review one of the others put together with his free 8-32x56mm Power Class :yup:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198826

Wow, sounds like a horrible scope, not even worth it to use it as a paperweight. Send it to me immediately.



:lol:


Seriously though, all good to know. Good point on the laser, hadn't considered that. All my weapons are zeroed in at far less than 100yards cause I use them to kill stuff and I never shoot that far out. :lol:

[Spooks]

looks like i will be making my up to bass pro today to pick up a gamo!

i feel bad for the squirrels and rabbits thats are always in my yard:(

[98 SNAKE EATER]

LOL

Here's yet another kooky video ;)


SA-1X3jGi1M



In this vid, I set the camera out next to the target @ 100 yards and take shots with various ammo types to show the difference in sound...

[426HEMI]

Love the overhead intro shot. :cool:

Fucking cool video, I like the intentional misses, kick ass sound.

Those PBA's sound like they hit like a freight train. Truth in advertising perhaps?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Spooks
looks like i will be making my up to bass pro today to pick up a gamo!

i feel bad for the squirrels and rabbits thats are always in my yard:(

Did you pick one up? :)



Originally posted by 426HEMI
Those PBA's sound like they hit like a freight train. Truth in advertising perhaps?



This is where it gets a bit confusing lol


The PBA's are much lighter than the lead pellets and will go up to 1200fps (supersonic)

They're made of a hard alloy, so they penetrate better than lead :yup:

However, because of their low mass, they don't hit as hard as the heavier lead pellets :shrug:

Thing is, with the long distance I'm shooting at, trajectory becomes more of a factor than the average 30-50 yard hunting range :\

Since the PBA's have a higher velocity, there's less pellet drop at the target and less of an arc in the pellet's path, so they tend to strike with more force because they hit with less angle...

On the other hand, the heavier lead pellets will only go up to 1000fps (subsonic)

They have more mass and will hit harder, but penetrate less than the hard alloy PBA's cause they spread rather than pierce...

They also have about twice the pellet drop with a huge arc, so at the long distance I'm shooting at, they hit the target at more of a downward angle and have less of an impact...

Also, since the target is hung, it has a bit of a cushion when it moves, so there's rarely any penetration...

However, with the same target mounted solid, all 3 pellet choices would most likely penetrate :cool:


That being said, I actually prefer the Crosman lead pellets over the PBA's for a few reasons...

1) CHEAP!!
About $3 bucks for a tin of 500 vs $5 bucks for a pack of 100 PBA's...

2) Easier to find...
Wally-World, K-Mart, Sports Authority, etc. all carry Crosman...

3) Silent....
Since they're subsonic, they don't have that loud *crack* you get when shooting supersonic ammo...

4) More accurate in harsh conditions...
The heavier mass is less susceptible to high winds, dust, rain, etc.
At 100 yards, the PBA's are less stable and can go into a tumble with a mild wind :\
I've actually pulled a few out of targets that went in skirt first :eek:

5) Loading...
The lead pellets have a nice tight fit and need a bit of pressure to load them properly in the chamber...
The PBA's are sorta loose fitting and tend to fall out of the chamber if I hold the barrel upright before locking in place...

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Did you pick one up? :)







This is where it gets a bit confusing lol


The PBA's are much lighter than the lead pellets and will go up to 1200fps (supersonic)

They're made of a hard alloy, so they penetrate better than lead :yup:

However, because of their low mass, they don't hit as hard as the heavier lead pellets :shrug:

Thing is, with the long distance I'm shooting at, trajectory becomes more of a factor than the average 30-50 yard hunting range :\

Since the PBA's have a higher velocity, there's less pellet drop at the target and less of an arc in the pellet's path, so they tend to strike with more force because they hit with less angle...

On the other hand, the heavier lead pellets will only go up to 1000fps (subsonic)

They have more mass and will hit harder, but penetrate less than the hard alloy PBA's cause they spread rather than pierce...

They also have about twice the pellet drop with a huge arc, so at the long distance I'm shooting at, they hit the target at more of a downward angle and have less of an impact...

Also, since the target is hung, it has a bit of a cushion when it moves, so there's rarely any penetration...

However, with the same target mounted solid, all 3 pellet choices would most likely penetrate :cool:


That being said, I actually prefer the Crosman lead pellets over the PBA's for a few reasons...

1) CHEAP!!
About $3 bucks for a tin of 500 vs $5 bucks for a pack of 100 PBA's...

2) Easier to find...
Wally-World, K-Mart, Sports Authority, etc. all carry Crosman...

3) Silent....
Since they're subsonic, they don't have that loud *crack* you get when shooting supersonic ammo...

4) More accurate in harsh conditions...
The heavier mass is less susceptible to high winds, dust, rain, etc.
At 100 yards, the PBA's are less stable and can go into a tumble with a mild wind :\
I've actually pulled a few out of targets that went in skirt first :eek:

5) Loading...
The lead pellets have a nice tight fit and need a bit of pressure to load them properly in the chamber...
The PBA's are sorta loose fitting and tend to fall out of the chamber if I hold the barrel upright before locking in place...

Damn fine write up.

What I take from it is that PBA's are not worth it for general varmit control (squirrels and the like), but would have benefits when actually hunting. Sounds like you'd want to have your scope setup for using PBA if you were hunting with it as well.

[JeffsSS]

why wont this thread die!?

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by JeffsSS
why wont this thread die!?

Perhaps because someone is interested in it?

[JeffsSS]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Perhaps because someone is interested in it?

I guess so!.. it's so old!

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
What I take from it is that PBA's are not worth it for general varmit control (squirrels and the like), but would have benefits when actually hunting.

Well, they do have amazing penetration at hunting range, but may very well make an exit out the other side in a small critter :o

I don't really hunt, but if I did, I wouldn't hunt anything bigger than a squirrel with an airgun :shrug:

That 180lb. hog that one guy took down in the GAMO video was a bit far fetched imho....

I'm sure it could be done as it was, but in the real world, the odds of actually killing it in one shot would be very low :\

There's a higher chance of just injuring it and making it suffer or pissing him off and having him charge at you before you could reload :no:


What I really wanna try are those Predator Pellets :yup:

http://www.predatorpellets.com/images/pellet_box.jpg
http://www.predatorpellets.com/images/pellet_stacked.gif
http://www.predatorpellets.com/images/pellet_diagram.gif

They have a pointed polymer tip with a hollowpoint base, so they're supposed to have really good penetration as well as knockdown power :cool:



Sounds like you'd want to have your scope setup for using PBA if you were hunting with it as well.


I usually make a few clicks to adjust centering for each pellet type, but now that I have a Mil-Dot scope, I'll try to work with the dots to save time :yup:

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Well, they do have amazing penetration at hunting range, but may very well make an exit out the other side in a small critter :o

I don't really hunt, but if I did, I wouldn't hunt anything bigger than a squirrel with an airgun :shrug:

That 180lb. hog that one guy took down in the GAMO video was a bit far fetched imho....

I'm sure it could be done as it was, but in the real world, the odds of actually killing it in one shot would be very low :\

There's a higher chance of just injuring it and making it suffer or pissing him off and having him charge at you before you could reload :no:


What I really wanna try are those Predator Pellets :yup:

http://www.predatorpellets.com/images/pellet_box.jpg
http://www.predatorpellets.com/images/pellet_stacked.gif
http://www.predatorpellets.com/images/pellet_diagram.gif

They have a pointed polymer tip with a hollowpoint base, so they're supposed to have really good penetration as well as knockdown power :cool:






I usually make a few clicks to adjust centering for each pellet type, but now that I have a Mil-Dot scope, I'll try to work with the dots to save time :yup:

All my targets that I use and air rifle on are squirrel and rabbits. Armadillos and groundhogs get the .22.

I need to try those Predators as well. :cool: Wonder if good ole Wally World carries them.

[TransAmDriver]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Damn fine write up.

What I take from it is that PBA's are not worth it for general varmit control (squirrels and the like), but would have benefits when actually hunting. Sounds like you'd want to have your scope setup for using PBA if you were hunting with it as well.

They kill shit dead in one shot everytime Ive used them.

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by TransAmDriver
They kill shit dead in one shot everytime Ive used them.

But there are cheaper alternatives if you are just plinking the random squirrel in the yard. I've never had one live from a headshot regardless of the ammo I'm using.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
I need to try those Predators as well. :cool: Wonder if good ole Wally World carries them.



Nope, if they did I'd have them already ;)

Here's a listing of where to buy:

http://www.predatorpellets.com/where-buy-pellets.asp


There's a BP out on I-Drive, so I'm gunna give them a shot this weekend :)


Kinda spensive though :\

$13 bucks for a tin of 200 :o

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Nope, if they did I'd have them already ;)

Here's a listing of where to buy:

http://www.predatorpellets.com/where-buy-pellets.asp


There's a BP out on I-Drive, so I'm gunna give them a shot this weekend :)


Kinda spensive though :\

$13 bucks for a tin of 200 :o

Well I'll have to wait to try them, don't have any of those stores near me.

[JUS]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER

I've actually pulled a few out of targets that went in skirt first :eek:




I did quite a bit of testing with PBA's and various lead ammo's on paper targets at 10, 20 and 50 Yards. I used my Winchester 1000x Breakbarrel, which has been chronied shooting lead at close to 1100 fps.

What we found was the PBA ammo was much less accurate across the boardin terms of presiscion shooting. The PBA's almost always produced oblong holes, which tells me there is not enough mas the the .177 pellet to sustain a supersonic flight. In other words, they go super and start tailspinning.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by JUS
I did quite a bit of testing with PBA's and various lead ammo's on paper targets at 10, 20 and 50 Yards. I used my Winchester 1000x Breakbarrel, which has been chronied shooting lead at close to 1100 fps.

What we found was the PBA ammo was much less accurate across the boardin terms of presiscion shooting. The PBA's almost always produced oblong holes, which tells me there is not enough mas the the .177 pellet to sustain a supersonic flight. In other words, they go super and start tailspinning.



They seem to work out ok for me, but only when the conditions are perfect :shrug:


A little wind and they go way off :no:



Anyhoo, I went to the local Bass Pro shop to pick up some PolyMags, but the only ones they had in stock were the .20 and .22's :\

It was my first time there and I must say, the place is redneck heaven :eek:

For some strange reason, I was expecting a little mom and pop shop, but this place is HUGE!!

They were putting on a show with a giant indoor bass tank and testing out lures and shit right in the middle of the store :faint:

Anyhoo, I couldn't leave there empty handed, so I picked up a new shooting rest and a plinking target ;)


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/newbassproshopshite.JPG
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[JUS]

Dude, you are getting owned by pellet rifles. Seriously, the next one you buy should be a Benjamin Sheridan 392 (.22 pneumatic). Total quality.

[roSSco]

I have been following this thread and have it very informative and entertaining. :D I have a question though.

I thought suppressors were illegal, even on air guns. :dunno:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by JUS
Dude, you are getting owned by pellet rifles. Seriously, the next one you buy should be a Benjamin Sheridan 392 (.22 pneumatic). Total quality.


They look cool, but I don't see anything in their lineup that's considered silent :dunno:


Originally posted by roSSco
I have been following this thread and have it very informative and entertaining. :D I have a question though.

I thought suppressors were illegal, even on air guns. :dunno:




In the case of the Whisper, the silencer is non-removable and considered part of the gun, so it was approved by the ATFB for production and is legal in all states where standard airguns are allowed :cool:



As for removable silencers, they're legal in most states, but there are a few stipulations in order to own one....

Here's thread with more details (thread starter seems strikingly familar):

http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index.php?showtopic=1211





And a site for premade silencers:

http://www.libertycans.net/

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
They seem to work out ok for me, but only when the conditions are perfect :shrug:


A little wind and they go way off :no:



Anyhoo, I went to the local Bass Pro shop to pick up some PolyMags, but the only ones they had in stock were the .20 and .22's :\

It was my first time there and I must say, the place is redneck heaven :eek:

For some strange reason, I was expecting a little mom and pop shop, but this place is HUGE!!

They were putting on a show with a giant indoor bass tank and testing out lures and shit right in the middle of the store :faint:

Anyhoo, I couldn't leave there empty handed, so I picked up a new shooting rest and a plinking target ;)


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/newbassproshopshite.JPG
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I love your setup, sweet as hell looking.

I ALMOST picked up some of the Predators this weekend, the family and I took a trip up to Springfield, MO to the Bass Pro headquarters. You wanna talk big, that SOB is enormous.

I could have spend so much in that place it was just silly.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

I ended up ordering a set through Pyramyd :o

I needed a box of Premier 7.9 domes (they only come in 1250 ct. box sets) and I can't find them locally, so I just ordered them together :shrug:

[LittleHorsenuts]

Holy fuck. LS2 takes everything too far. I bet yous guys would somehow manage to spend $500 on a slingshot... made in Germany, no doubt.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by LittleHorsenuts
I bet yous guys would somehow manage to spend $500 on a slingshot...


Nah, $100+ maybe :wall:


Laser Guided Wrist Rockets (http://www.catsdomain.com/)

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Nah, $100+ maybe :wall:


Laser Guided Wrist Rockets (http://www.catsdomain.com/)

:drool:

Holy shit, I want one.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
:drool:

Holy shit, I want one.


LOL


I'm just itch'n to order, but I might go for the Recon instead ;)


Found it at Natchez for $69.95 :yup:


https://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=GN611002554

[Neo]

RWS if you want quality
/end of thread

[98 SNAKE EATER]

How bout this one? :boggled:


http://www.pyramydair.com/images/zoomed/BN-FWB700-1164Jz1.jpg


http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1034#readReviews


I can't even pronounce the f'ing name :o


And the price :no:

[Neo]

If your going to shoot in matches, that would be a great choice :)

[JUS]

You will also notice most match grade stuff is like 450-500 fps in .177, because they only compete at 10m.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Got the Preds and they're badass :)

The points will most definitely penetrate, but it still mushrooms to give a hard hit :cool:

Thing is, since I don't really hunt, I doubt I'll have much use for them :shrug:


I also ordered some Crosman Premier Domed Lites (7.9) and I think they're proabably the best all round pellet I've used so far :yup:

Accurate, hard hitting and very consistent long range flight even in windy conditions :)

My only gripe is that they only come in 1250 boxes and it seems the 500 count tin cans have better quality control :\

The big box was overstuffed (pellets were falling out), which cause quite a few mushed skirts :(

There's also more lead residue compared to the clean tin can Premiers :o

[Heracles]

Originally posted by Ls1vazquez
Why do I have the feeling you have probably been on the FBI's watch list for awhile?

haha!!

Snake eater cracks me up...hes always into super neat stuff.

[426HEMI]

I :love: this thread. It just keeps on giving.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Here's a little field test video:


bEvU_ClXLOw


I tell'ya, I fuckin HATE the way my voice sounds on tape :o

[Celerity]

that's cool. I can't dial a rifle like that.

I see you never got rid of that dog either :)

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Celerity
I see you never got rid of that dog either :)

Yeah, we're keeping him until someone claims him :cool: (or until he bites someone's head off)



Anyhoo, I've got good news, bad news and a little more good news...


Good news:


Last night I installed a new GRT-III trigger blade :yup:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/GRT3triggerinstall.JPG
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It's Badass!! :thumbup:

It's like a hair trigger now, so no more having to hold my breath for every shot, just squeeze slowly and she fires without messing with my aim :cool:




Bad news:

The mainspring took a shit on me at the range this morning :(


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/bustedwhisperspring2.JPG


She's already taken over 5000 shots since I got her with a few dry fires due to cheap ammo falling out of the chamber, so it's most likely normal wear and tear :shrug:

What's worse is that GAMO's turnaround time on repairs is about a month :no:

I don't think I can stand to be without her for that long :o





Good news:

Rather than waiting for warranty work, I'm gunna send her off to CDT (http://charliedatuna.com/) for a complete Turbo Tune (http://charliedatuna.com/Tuneups.htm#turbotune) :thumbup:

[426HEMI]

Awesome video man, enjoyed it. You've definitely got it dialed in well. :cool:

Little tip on shooting. Don't hold your breath when firing, even with a finicky trigger. Holding your breath causes your eyes to become oxygen starved which leads to blurry vision.

The process that I was taught by my father (ex Army sniper) is to take a full breath, exhaling slowly as you take up the slack in the trigger and pause after you have expelled half your breath for the final trigger pull. This eliminates any movement that breathing causes, but prevents you from robbing your eyes of oxygen.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI


Little tip on shooting. Don't hold your breath when firing, even with a finicky trigger. Holding your breath causes your eyes to become oxygen starved which leads to blurry vision.

The process that I was taught by my father (ex Army sniper) is to take a full breath, exhaling slowly as you take up the slack in the trigger and pause after you have expelled half your breath for the final trigger pull. This eliminates any movement that breathing causes, but prevents you from robbing your eyes of oxygen.



I'll have to try that when I get her back :yup:

My biggest problem is my pulse :\

If I don't get my breathing down right to prepare for the shot (you can hear me in the video lol), my pulse gets very strong and the target moves with each pulse :o

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
I'll have to try that when I get her back :yup:

My biggest problem is my pulse :\

If I don't get my breathing down right to prepare for the shot (you can hear me in the video lol), my pulse gets very strong and the target moves with each pulse :o

:yup:

Breathing is key, you can also loosen your grip on the weapon, that may help quell some of the pulse "transfer" to it.

Deep slow breaths before the shot can help reduce your pulse as well, and don't be afraid to back off a shot if it feels like it's taking too long, regroup and try the shot again after a minutes rest.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
:yup:

Breathing is key, you can also loosen your grip on the weapon, that may help quell some of the pulse "transfer" to it.


Since it's a springer, I pretty much need a deathgrip to keep the groups tight :o


don't be afraid to back off a shot if it feels like it's taking too long, regroup and try the shot again after a minutes rest.


Actually, backing off scares the shit out of me right now :o

With the GRT-III trigger blade, the second stage doesn't reset if I pull slightly and back off :no:

So if the trigger is right on the edge of firing and I don't take the shot, even if I put the safety back on it can still fire with a little gunshake :wall:

Recocking will reset it, but I'll have to get used to it :shrug:




Anyhoo, I just got an email and she's on her way back from CDT :yup:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Scope seemed lonely, so I mounted her up on one of my Crosman peashooters :lol:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmancenterpointpeashooter.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmancenterpointpeashooter2.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmancenterpointpeashooter3.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmancenterpointpeashooter4.JPG

[Celerity]

I have to keep breathing. If I hold my breath my pulse will literally jiggle the scope all over the place, so I take a deep breath, and exhale slowly, and time the squeeze between the heartbeats.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Got her back from CDT earlier today :yup:


Only put about 30 rounds through her but she feels like a COMPLETELY different gun :eek:


Amazingly smooth cocking with no spring twang at all (it's actually quite weird)


Here's a short video I just put together:


mqXGOYw_cM0


Can't wait to get the scope mounted and take some long range shots :)

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Another little update...


I re-mounted the scope and didn't even need to touch the dials :eek:


First shot was dead center of a quarter @ 30 yards :thumbup:


Yesterday I took some 100 yard shots and she was on mark, even at mild wind :yup:

[426HEMI]

:cool:

I grabbed the wrong pellets the other day and a squirrel suffered for my mistake. Had 3 heart/lung shots on him and he didn't drop. :nosulk: Stupid wad cutters.

[Ls1vazquez]

You kinda sound like a hit man on that video.

[Billy Bob]

:drool: :drool:

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=643

[JUS]

Originally posted by Bad Welder
:drool: :drool:

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=643

that thing must weigh a ton.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Ls1vazquez
You kinda sound like a hit man on that video.



LOL


I'm actually making a video ad for my T/A right now and I have to do a complete voice over :no:


Hearing myself talk for 10 minutes makes me wanna turn the gun on myself :o




Originally posted by Bad Welder
:drool: :drool:

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=643


Nice gun, but damn that's a lot of money :eek:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

OK, I just couldn't resist :wall:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmang1xtreme.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmang1xtreme2.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmang1xtreme3.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/crosmang1xtreme4.JPG



A nice cheap gun to hand out to all the people who wanna shoot my Whisper at the range :o

[SunsetOrange]

I just picked up a Daisy at walmart, 1000 fps, 9x32 scope, break barrell, all black.. $99.99.. It is badass, I cant imagine how badass those guns are :drool:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

I can't leave anything alone lol


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer2.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer3.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer4.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer5.JPG



Ghettosilencer ;)

[Carsnob]

Sawed off mag light handle?

[JUS]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
I can't leave anything alone lol


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer2.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer3.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer4.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1ghettosilencer5.JPG



Ghettosilencer ;)



does it work?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Carsnob
Sawed off mag light handle?



Ding Ding Ding!!


Give this man a cookie :thumbup:



Originally posted by JUS
does it work?


Yep :yup:


When empty, it's noticable, but not dramatic...

When filled, it gets pretty quiet, but I'm still trying out different materials to see what works best without changing POI

[TheSilverSurfer]

Originally posted by 1995blacktattop
I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!

You'll shot your eye out!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bwahaha:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

GRT3 blade showed up today :cool:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1XGRT5.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1XGRT.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1XGRT3.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1XGRT2.JPG
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/G1XGRT4.JPG

[No F-bdy Bs]

For packing, you may want to try that materal that is used in Central AC unit filters, the old school blue on one side, white on the other stuff, not that new Hepa-filter BS.

We made a few when I was younger, and found that this,loosely wrapped with "Chore-Boy" scrub pads was a good combo.

Also, for the interlals, have you port holes very large right off the muzzle, and slowly stagger to a smaller size as you go down the length of the tube.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by No F-bdy Bs
For packing, you may want to try that materal that is used in Central AC unit filters, the old school blue on one side, white on the other stuff, not that new Hepa-filter BS.

We made a few when I was younger, and found that this,loosely wrapped with "Chore-Boy" scrub pads was a good combo.

Also, for the interlals, have you port holes very large right off the muzzle, and slowly stagger to a smaller size as you go down the length of the tube.


Yeah, that's the stuff I used for the silencer on the Crosman 760 and it worked fine :cool:

For this one, foam sponge was actually the quietest packing, but at the cost of accuracy :\ (groups start to grow really fast after 25 yards)


The blue fiberglass filter element wasn't as quiet, but it didn't have any adverse effect on accuracy :cool:

Actually plan on adding a couple more chambers to see if it helps...





Rick

[JUS]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Yeah, that's the stuff I used for the silencer on the Crosman 760 and it worked fine :cool:

For this one, foam sponge was actually the quietest packing, but at the cost of accuracy :\ (groups start to grow really fast after 25 yards)


The blue fiberglass filter element wasn't as quiet, but it didn't have any adverse effect on accuracy :cool:

Actually plan on adding a couple more chambers to see if it helps...





Rick


Why do you need it so quiet?

[MJSbossman]

Originally posted by JUS
Why do you need it so quiet?

Why not?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Bossman 2.0
Why not?



My thoughts exactly ;)






Last thing I wanna do is draw attention to myself in this town...

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Here's sumthin new for the springers :)


Air Venturi Gas Ram :cool:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/airventuri.jpg
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/airventuri1.jpg
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/airventuri2.jpg


Smoother cocking action, zero spring twang, less recoil, lasts longer and is quieter than metal spring :yup:

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Here's sumthin new for the springers :)


Air Venturi Gas Ram :cool:


http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/airventuri.jpg
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/airventuri1.jpg
http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/airventuri2.jpg


Smoother cocking action, zero spring twang, less recoil, lasts longer and is quieter than metal spring :yup:

Wow, I like. Price?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

$109 bucks for the gas spring or $349 installed on a new Whisper :yup:

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
$109 bucks for the gas spring or $349 installed on a new Whisper :yup:


Not bad at all, they make them for any of their other rifles? Can't remember what dad has off the top of my head.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Not bad at all, they make them for any of their other rifles? Can't remember what dad has off the top of my head.


Hmm, I don't see them listed for any other Gamo rifles, however, the Whisper basically uses the same powerplant found in most other Gamo break barrels within the same velocity range, so the same one should work on those as well :cool:



Damn, now I have an excuse to get ANOTHER rifle :o



I'd like to get a Shadow RSV, but they're not available in the US :(


http://www.snajper.com/Images/detalji/vazdusne/gamo-shadow-rsv.jpg

[JUS]

An underlever rifle with the gas ram would make for a sweet plinker.

[SteelersRule]

I love this thread ...just because as soon as you think it died a month ago, it comes back again. :o

[99FirehawkTA]

Originally posted by No F-bdy Bs
Im very partial to pump guns. Having owned 3 break bbl guns, the pump guns are better shooters as the spring jobs have such a jolt to them. Dont bother with BBs, shoot pelets.
Also, go with a larger cal, something like a 20, or 22cal. While the 177s are faster, the larger cals are better "killers" if you want to take small game.

As mentioned before, see if you can find a Sheridan 20cal.
This gun has proven to be one of the best air rifles ever made. I got this one 20 years ago when I was about 10.
I have owned RWS, Beemans, ect. This is by far the best of the bunch.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s24/nofbdybs/Silverstreak.jpg

We owned one of those for over a decade until my dumb fuck brother and his dumb shit friend pumped it until it broke. Stupid fucks.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

OK, here's a listing of guns that will accept the gas spring:


GAMO:
Big Cat
Whisper
CFX
Carbine Sport
Hunter 440
Hunter 890
Hunter Elite
Hunter Extreme
Hunter Pro
Hunter Sport
Shadow (all)
Varmint Hunter
Viper
Viper Express
Nitro 17
Recon
Delta (may fit with adjustments)


CROSMAN:
Phantom
Quest 1000
Quest 800 (may also fit with some adjustments)

BENJAMIN:
Legacy 1000

Additionally, there's another gas spring for:

WEBLEY:
Patriot (Beeman Kodiak)

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Looks like I might be getting a gas spring for my G1 soon :yup:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by JUS
An underlever rifle with the gas ram would make for a sweet plinker.


Now available on the CFX :cool:

http://www.fuelslut.net/ihost/files/123/cfxgasram.jpg

[frank]

my 15 yr old nephew bought one a week ago and is keeping it at my house because he lives in apartments and his mom doesn't want it in the house lol.

it's this one...
Daisy BB Gun Pellet 880
http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/photos/day880s-2T.jpg

pretty cool :dunno: it seems a little inaccurate, i'm not sure how to fix that :shrug:

[F1_SS]

Originally posted by frank
my 15 yr old nephew bought one a week ago and is keeping it at my house because he lives in apartments and his mom doesn't want it in the house lol.

it's this one...
Daisy BB Gun Pellet 880
http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/photos/day880s-2T.jpg

pretty cool :dunno: it seems a little inaccurate, i'm not sure how to fix that :shrug:

Try shooting pellets. Pellets are more accurate than BB's.

[DCR]

Originally posted by frank
my 15 yr old nephew bought one a week ago and is keeping it at my house because he lives in apartments and his mom doesn't want it in the house lol.

it's this one...
Daisy BB Gun Pellet 880
http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/photos/day880s-2T.jpg

pretty cool :dunno: it seems a little inaccurate, i'm not sure how to fix that :shrug:

I used that exact rifle to lodge a BB into my friends right calf muscle when we were about 15 yrs old. It's still in there and bothers him during cold weather.

[drivermod]

Originally posted by frank
my 15 yr old nephew bought one a week ago and is keeping it at my house because he lives in apartments and his mom doesn't want it in the house lol.

it's this one...
Daisy BB Gun Pellet 880
http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/photos/day880s-2T.jpg

pretty cool :dunno: it seems a little inaccurate, i'm not sure how to fix that :shrug:

That model has been around forever, seriously, I had the same exact one about 20 years ago.

[vice86]

http://homepage.mac.com/rmansfield/thislamp/files/page0_blog_entry204_1.jpg

[JUS]

Originally posted by frank
my 15 yr old nephew bought one a week ago and is keeping it at my house because he lives in apartments and his mom doesn't want it in the house lol.

it's this one...
Daisy BB Gun Pellet 880
http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/photos/day880s-2T.jpg

pretty cool :dunno: it seems a little inaccurate, i'm not sure how to fix that :shrug:

I had the exact same gun. Ditch the scope, it's trash. You will have better luck with the open sights. Shoot Flat pellets at 5-7 pumps. This is By far the most accurate arrangement I have found.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by F1_SS
Try shooting pellets. Pellets are more accurate than BB's.



Yep, pellets are FAR more accurate than BB's any day :yup:


Can't beat the price of BB's though :o

[JUS]

98,

Check this badboy out:

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-sheridan-super-streak-air-rifle.shtml

1500fps-.177/1100fps-.22 Benjamin Sheridan Breakbarrel.

This really is stretching the limits of what is legal to fire in public...

[Parliament]

This is the first time I have ever read or seen this thread. I learned so much, would read again.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by JUS
98,

Check this badboy out:

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-sheridan-super-streak-air-rifle.shtml

1500fps-.177/1100fps-.22 Benjamin Sheridan Breakbarrel.

This really is stretching the limits of what is legal to fire in public...


No kidding


Checkout some of the big caliber guns from Quackenbush :eek:

http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/steph_bison.jpg
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/erickudu.jpg
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/jimimpala3.jpg
http://www.bigboreairguns.com/457/4pics457.jpg

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by JUS
98,

Check this badboy out:

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-sheridan-super-streak-air-rifle.shtml

1500fps-.177/1100fps-.22 Benjamin Sheridan Breakbarrel.

This really is stretching the limits of what is legal to fire in public...

I'm in love. .22 at 1k+. :drool:

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
No kidding


Checkout some of the big caliber guns from Quackenbush :eek:

http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/steph_bison.jpg
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/erickudu.jpg
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/jimimpala3.jpg
http://www.bigboreairguns.com/457/4pics457.jpg

:faint:

[426HEMI]

c-hJYrR_-gw

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
c-hJYrR_-gw

Definitely more fun than mentos :thumbup:

[Crunk Till Death]

about 6-7 years ago, i had a crossman 760 and it was the shit. i had a little $20 scope on it and it would shoot a 1" group at 50' feet or so. i killed so many squirrels and birds, and rabbits with it.

but it broke, and i recently bought a new 760 at wal mart, and it is an innacurrate POS

[tom t]

Originally posted by Gordon Freeman
about 6-7 years ago, i had a crossman 760 and it was the shit. i had a little $20 scope on it and it would shoot a 1" group at 50' feet or so. i killed so many squirrels and birds, and rabbits with it.

but it broke, and i recently bought a new 760 at wal mart, and it is an innacurrate POS

Back in the '70's, my dad bought me a Crosman Powermaster 761 XL. It was the "upscale" version of the 760, with a brass receiver, walnut stock, a blued, rifled barrel and a hooded front sight. It was truly the shit.

I still have it but the seals are all dried out and the barrel could use to be re-blued.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by tom t


I still have it but the seals are all dried out and the barrel could use to be re-blued.

Send it back to Crosman for repairs :yup:

[98 SNAKE EATER]

http://www.pyramydair.com/video/


Air Gun Reporter video on the RWS 460 :yup:

[Renton]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
OK, looks like I'm leaning towards the Gamo Whisper :)

http://www.gamousa.com/Catalog.aspx?Product=234

http://www.gamousa.com/images/rifles/product_whisper.jpg



Both scope and standard sights, 1200 fps and a built in silencer (sotfof) for $229 :cool:

So how loud would this thing be? We've got some major squirrel problems here and our lake doesn't allow bb or air guns. But if this is quiet enough, maybe then the neighbors wouldn't hear it.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by Renton1997
So how loud would this thing be? We've got some major squirrel problems here and our lake doesn't allow bb or air guns. But if this is quiet enough, maybe then the neighbors wouldn't hear it.


Using subsonic lead, it's pretty much silent :yup:

All you hear is the sound of the spring unloading and the target getting hit :cool:

Supersonic PBA ammo is Loud as F#ck though :no:


Here are a couple of videos for reference:


mqXGOYw_cM0

SA-1X3jGi1M

[kenny powers]

I just bought the gamo whisper model. Everything posted about it in this thread is spot on. Nice gun for an air rifle.

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by TimWS-6
I just bought the gamo whisper model. Everything posted about it in this thread is spot on. Nice gun for an air rifle.



If you haven't done so already, order up a GRT-3 blade :yup:

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
Using subsonic lead, it's pretty much silent :yup:

All you hear is the sound of the spring unloading and the target getting hit :cool:

Supersonic PBA ammo is Loud as F#ck though :no:


Here are a couple of videos for reference:


mqXGOYw_cM0

SA-1X3jGi1M

Loud? Pssshhh. That's a mouse fart. When I let loose the 8mm Mauser in the back yard, THAT's loud. :rotfl:


:D

That is loud for an air rifle though.

[kenny powers]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
If you haven't done so already, order up a GRT-3 blade :yup:

where would I find one?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Originally posted by TimWS-6
where would I find one?


http://www.charliedatuna.com/


Worth every penny and installs in minutes :)

[kenny powers]

Originally posted by 98 SNAKE EATER
http://www.charliedatuna.com/


Worth every penny and installs in minutes :)

That's why I coulnd't find it. They call it GRT-III. Cool, thanks man.