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Constrictor
02-23-2004, 05:59 PM
One of the most commonly asked questions I see about the Pontiac (Formula/Firebird/Trans AM/WS6) F-bodies is in regards to the lights. Whether its a problem with the headlights, or a question about upgrading, I thought it would be nice to have a single sticky where all questions are answered. So here goes:


Q: One of my Pontiac headlights stopped coming up, or only comes up every once in a while, or comes up very slowly, what is wrong?

A: Your headlight motor is going out. Time to replace it. Unfortunately, this can cost between $250 - $300 at a dealer to do.


Q: When I turn off my headlights or arm my alarm, one or both of my headlights makes a horrific grinding noise for about 5 seconds after going down. Other than this, the motors function normally.

A: Inside of your headlight motor is a plastic gear that the motor uses to rotate the light up and down with. This gear is stripped. There are three alternatives to fixing this:

1. Replace the whole motor - this is the most expensive way, as dealers can charge between $250 - $300 if you have them do it.

2. You can buy an aftermarket replacement gear made out of brass and replace the plastic one. The gears are available through this link along with instructions on how to install them:

http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/headlightfix/index.htm

3. You can actually remove the plastic gear and flip it around 180 degrees since the motors only actually use half of the teeth on the gear. This wont "fix" the problem, it will only extend the amount of time to where the gear will need to be replaced. The instructions on how to do this are available here:

http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/headlightfix/index.htm#FreeGuide

4. The other cheap fix - wire up a switch to control the headlight motor. If your gears are stripped and making a griding noise, you can use a switch to control the motor so it's only ON when the headlight is actually being raised or lowered....

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7797471#post7797471


Q: What headlight upgrades are available for my Pontiac F-body?

A: Unfortunately, even through the 2002 model year, Pontiac continued to use sealed beam headlights in their F-bodies, which makes upgrade selection very slim. The only way you can install brighter or different color bulbs is to first buy a Sealed Bean Conversion Kit. There are two companies that sell them, but I am told theyre actually the same kit. The two places you can get them from are:

http://www.eurolights.com
http://www.autooptiks.com

Once you have the sealed beam housings installed, you can install any capsule or HID light that comes in size H7.

Instructions on how to install these kits with pictures are available at:

http://www.metalreviewcentre.com/headlight.htm


Q: What foglight upgrades are available for my Trans Am?

A: The foglights that come with all F-bodies are pretty low powered, so many people choose to install brighter bulbs in their place. This serves are a temporary solution as, after time, the cheap plastic GM housings will begin to melt as a result of increased heat due to the higher wattage bulbs.

The only way to safely upgrade the lights is with aftermarket lights. There are many lights available by companies such as PIAA, Hella, and Catz that will work, however two that I have found that are inexpensive and very simple to install are made by Blazertech or Cyberwhite. Both bulbs are almost identical and are actually made by the same company. The Cyberwhites are available at your local WalMart for around $40. Pictures of the lights and an install guide is available here:

http://www.metalreviewcentre.com/foglight.htm

Note, these instructions are specific to the Trans Am. I am told they will work on Formula/Firebirds, however they require modification, which is not covered in the install guide.


Q: I saw a Pontiac with sequential tailights. Where do I get the kit and how do I install it?

A: There are actually many different kits available that work, however one that I have personal experience is the one sold by BFranker. A kit is available with instructions and pictures at:

http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/fbody/sequentialTA.htm

Another kit I have heard of, but have no experience with is available here:

http://www.blinkblink.com/


Q: At night, sometimes I see my headlights go dim for a second and then return back to normal. There doesn't appear to be any pattern for this, but it happens several times at night. What is the problem?

A: There is nothing wrong with your car. This is a result of the AIR pump cylcling on and off. The AIR pump is an emissions control device and when it kicks on, it puts a momentary load on your electrical system. This is perfectly normal and there is nothing to worry about.

killer01ws6
02-23-2004, 06:04 PM
Nice Constrictor... :thumbup:

O1PewterWS6
02-23-2004, 07:58 PM
If you are going to replace the gears, the best way to go is the brass gears.

Constrictor
02-23-2004, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by O1PewterWS6
If you are going to replace the gears, the best way to go is the brass gears.

I have a link to the guy who sells the brass gears in suggestion number 2. To my knowledge, he is the only one making them.

Mods, feel free to sticky this if you want because Im sure you'll get these questions asked a lot.

O1PewterWS6
02-23-2004, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Constrictor
I have a link to the guy who sells the brass gears in suggestion number 2. To my knowledge, he is the only one making them.

Mods, feel free to sticky this if you want because Im sure you'll get these questions asked a lot.

I thought you are a mod??? :confused:

Constrictor
02-23-2004, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by O1PewterWS6
I thought you are a mod??? :confused:

I am, but I don't moderate this particular forum, and out of respect, we stay out of other forums that aren't assigned to us. Sometimes a particular forum has a slightly different method for doing things, and I didnt want to step on anyones toes.

The only time you'll see a moderator doing moderator functions in a forum not designated to him/her is when a rule infraction has happened and no one else online is there to take care of it...but that doesnt happen much.

killer01ws6
02-23-2004, 09:16 PM
You are always welcome in here.
it is a sticky now.

Marvin
02-24-2004, 05:36 PM
Yep always welcome in here :D

Good info :d

SloWhite
03-03-2004, 06:09 PM
I had the sequential turnsignal kit from blinkblink and they were a POS. One stopped working after about 2 months. I now have a kit from the following, and they are much better made.

http://www.webelectricproducts.com/products.htm

pontiacbird04
03-12-2004, 09:01 PM
I have a 2000 firebird and one of my front parking/daytime running lamps is out and I can't figure out how to change them....anyone know how???

LS1redline
05-05-2004, 04:55 AM
I couldn't get a hold of bfranker a while back for the brass gears. But there is a guy on eBay with a buy it now option that is always there. ($35-40)

Wraith
06-19-2004, 04:56 AM
Here is another option for the sequential lights.

http://www.sequentialtaillights.com/

DKenn08
06-23-2004, 01:06 AM
Just thought i would post the part # to the headlight motor.

Maybe you can work it in on the 1st post.

Headlight Motor Part # 16524229

It's right around $100 from GMPartsDirect.

DANSBIRD
07-18-2004, 02:30 AM
Iv got a question that has yet to be addressed... I have an 02TA and at night, the lights will dim for just a sec.. like its getting a loss of power for some reason. It doesnt stay dim, but does dim like a short in power. It also does it on my friend's 02SS. Any idea?

DKenn08
07-19-2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by DANSBIRD
Iv got a question that has yet to be addressed... I have an 02TA and at night, the lights will dim for just a sec.. like its getting a loss of power for some reason. It doesnt stay dim, but does dim like a short in power. It also does it on my friend's 02SS. Any idea?

Is it more like a flicker? Or is it a noticeable slow dim?

DANSBIRD
08-12-2004, 02:44 PM
its more like a flicker. but it only does it once at a time. basically like my lights being even dimmer for just a sec.

Takers TA
08-21-2004, 11:56 PM
man that was so easy i wish i knew about it a long time ago thanks :D

Vicious LS1
08-31-2004, 11:48 PM
Very nice sticky constric. Ive learned to do everything to my car from your info lol.

Keyser_WS6
09-29-2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by DANSBIRD
its more like a flicker. but it only does it once at a time. basically like my lights being even dimmer for just a sec.
I didn't see any answer to this so I thought I'd give it a shot. Sometimes when your fans come on they may cause your lights to dim for just a second. Also, I believe when you turn on your AC you might notice a momentary dim. Basically anytime your car needs a lot more juice to do something you'll notice the lights dimming until she compensates for it. With amps and bigger subwoofers the effect is VERY noticable when the bass hits unless you use a capacitor to help keep the power sustained.

Constrictor
09-30-2004, 03:13 PM
Actually, the dimming of the headlights at night isn't specific to Pontiacs, the Camaros have it too. It is your AIR pump cycling on and off. Its perfectly normal and there is nothing to worry about. I'll update the first post.

TA Tom
10-02-2004, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by WhiteLS1Ws6
Just thought i would post the part # to the headlight motor.

Maybe you can work it in on the 1st post.

Headlight Motor Part # 16524229

It's right around $100 from GMPartsDirect.

Is it the same motor for both left and right side? Are the motors all the same part number through the life of the 4th gen firebird?

MikeWS601
10-27-2004, 06:24 PM
Great writeup, thanks for all the useful info.

I was wondering if you have the part numbers for the fog light kits from cyberwhite (or the other company)?

killer01ws6
11-10-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by MikeWS601
Great writeup, thanks for all the useful info.

I was wondering if you have the part numbers for the fog light kits from cyberwhite (or the other company)?

It is just the base Round light kit that walmart sells.

skytower31
11-24-2004, 06:09 PM
Here are all of the replacement bulb numbers for the Trans Am and the link to get this info for any car :yup:

http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/LampReplacementGuide/

PONTIAC Firebird Trans AM

Low beam headlamp
H4703

High beam headlamp
H4701

Parking light
3457ALL

Front turn signal
3457ALL

Rear turn signal
2057

Tail light
194
2057

Stop light
2057

High mount stop light
921

Fog/Driving light
880

License plate
194

Back up light
1156

Front sidemarker
194

Rear sidemarker
194

Glove box
194

Map light
214-2

Dome light
214-2
561

Step/Courtesy light
194
214-2
74

Trunk/Cargo area
561

Instrument-general
161
37

Directional signal indicator
161

EMINENT 1
01-25-2005, 05:32 AM
Which bulbs are recommended for the Blazertech fog housings?

One of mine is out and I need it replaced. :mad:

DamnWS6
07-22-2005, 04:42 PM
gotta foglight question.


i want the amber/yellow foglights.

do you know where to get these, and if its just the bulb or the whole housing or what?

DKenn08
11-03-2005, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by TA Tom
Is it the same motor for both left and right side? Are the motors all the same part number through the life of the 4th gen firebird?

Driver's Side Headlight motor #16524229
Pass. Side Headlight motor #16524230

Tram
12-27-2005, 12:41 AM
Is http://www.metalreviewcentre.com/foglight.htm dead? I can't seem to get the site to work..

XLR8TOR
07-05-2006, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Tram
Is http://www.metalreviewcentre.com/foglight.htm dead? I can't seem to get the site to work..


It appears to be dead.

Soul TKR
06-02-2007, 07:07 PM
half the links on here don't work anymore.. just a heads up :)

zombie5011
07-12-2007, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by WhiteLS1Ws6
Driver's Side Headlight motor #16524229
Pass. Side Headlight motor #16524230

New part numbers..
Headlamp control motor
Left w/ motor 12335999 $120
Right w/ motor 12335998 $117 GMPARTSDIRECT.com

philip
08-20-2008, 01:51 AM
does anyone know the size of the hex nut on the headlight motors? I'm want to do the free fix but don't have the right tool.

excrider121
07-12-2009, 05:41 PM
Half of the links don't work!

:ripped:

excrider121
07-18-2009, 12:35 AM
Update on the headlight conversion kits:

http://eurolamps.com/eurolamps/camaro_headlights.htm