Automobile magazine: G8 weighs...

[1badls2goat]

damn it. according the april issue of automobile mag, the G8 weighs 3995 lbs :dammit:

[DrFrag]

thats a huge bitch!

[CT Morgan]

How did you figure (or hope) it would weigh much less than that?

It's a 4 door sedan with a big engine... not a 2 door racing coupe. :dunno: It is amazing that cars this heavy and with this much horsepower can get anything close to decent gas mileage.

[MapleRed]

The 300/Charger weigh around 4200 lbs. w/ the Hemi. 3995 lbs really isn't a surprise. :shrug:

[Harmon Rabb]

this shocks who? :think:

[triggerjerk]

So lets guestimate the Camaro's weight.
Hopefully it'll get composite front fenders and hood:xfings:

Something tells me not to hold my breath though:(

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
So lets guestimate the Camaro's weight.
Hopefully it'll get composite front fenders and hood:xfings:

Something tells me not to hold my breath though:(

A mid-level V8 Camaro might weigh around 3600 lbs. :shrug:

[George El Dorado]

Originally posted by pass dimeo
thats a huge bitch!

Not these days.

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
So lets guestimate the Camaro's weight.
Hopefully it'll get composite front fenders and hood:xfings:

Something tells me not to hold my breath though:(

It got lots of fiberglass last time around :shrug:

[triggerjerk]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
It got lots of fiberglass last time around :shrug:

True that.
If the factory doesn't step up, maybe the aftermarket will? :dunno:

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by Berman
this shocks who? :think:

Not me.

[1badls2goat]

:shrug: I guess I was just hoping it would be around 3700-3800 like the GTO, so that with some weight reduction it can weigh around 3500, but now I guess w/weight reduction, it'll still be a boat like the GTO

[1badls2goat]

But the GXP G8 will take care of the extra weight :yup: LS3

[kasim]

i am surpised .... i thought it was gonna weigh 3994lbs

:ripped:

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by kasim
i am surpised .... i thought it was gonna weigh 3994lbs

:ripped:

:dammit: :rolleyes:

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by MapleRed
A mid-level V8 Camaro might weigh around 3600 lbs. :shrug:

target weight of the camaro is 3800, so anything south of IMO is out of the question. ;)

[1badls2goat]

^what kind of pony car weighs 3800 lbs???? :dammit: fuck all these luxo options

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
:shrug: I guess I was just hoping it would be around 3700-3800 like the GTO, so that with some weight reduction it can weigh around 3500, but now I guess w/weight reduction, it'll still be a boat like the GTO

of course it's going to be a boat. it's a fullsize 4-door car :lol:

wtf is wrong with you people who want the G8 to be some tiny corolla sized car? it's supposed to be a BIG, v8, rwd car like a 300C.

[1badls2goat]

never said i wanted it to be like a corolla. obviously i was hoping for it to be a relatively light full-size sedan...3700 lbs would be a perfectly atainable weight for a fullsize sedan IMO...

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by Checkmate
target weight of the camaro is 3800, so anything south of IMO is out of the question. ;)

and whered you hear this?

the GT500 is 3950 iirc and that has a 300lbs heavier motor

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
never said i wanted it to be like a corolla. obviously i was hoping for it to be a relatively light full-size sedan...3700 lbs would be a perfectly atainable weight for a fullsize sedan IMO...

i'm sorry but i'd rather a fullsize sedan weigh an extra 200lbs if it means better crash ratings, a more solid feeling and more quiet riding cabin, etc.

[Cobra Commander]

lol, crash ratings

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Berman
of course it's going to be a boat. it's a fullsize 4-door car :lol:

wtf is wrong with you people who want the G8 to be some tiny corolla sized car? it's supposed to be a BIG, v8, rwd car like a 300C.

:werd:

Since when do full-size, fully loaded RWD V8 cars weigh as much as pony cars? :rolleyes:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Checkmate
target weight of the camaro is 3800, so anything south of IMO is out of the question. ;)

I heard about that. I doubt target weight for the mid-level model is that high though? I could maybe see a top model weighing that much.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

i dont see what a shock this is. isnt it supposed to be a luxury car or geared towards that?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
i dont see what a shock this is. isnt it supposed to be a luxury car or geared towards that?

Think Chrysler LX cars. :yup:

[Boz]

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
i dont see what a shock this is. isnt it supposed to be a luxury car or geared towards that?

It's a performance sedan, not luxury.

Pontiac doesn't really do luxury vehicles.

[Element]

It's a sedan, not a pony car, as has been said.

Lighter weight = less options, and probably a worse score in crash test ratings. I don't see what's so hard to understand about it. Pontiac stated, quite a bit ago, that they're going to be the GM division that targets BMW. That means a heavy car, simply due to everything necessary for a plush, comfortable car.

[Element]

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
lol, crash ratings

Yes, because in a daily driver, I DO want the peace of mind in knowing a VW Bug isn't going to rip my car in half.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Element
Yes, because in a daily driver, I DO want the peace of mind in knowing a VW Bug isn't going to rip my car in half.

LOL, damn good point!!!

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by Element
Yes, because in a daily driver, I DO want the peace of mind in knowing a VW Bug isn't going to rip my car in half.

roll cage :deal:

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
never said i wanted it to be like a corolla. obviously i was hoping for it to be a relatively light full-size sedan...3700 lbs would be a perfectly atainable weight for a fullsize sedan IMO...

Not with today's safety standards and consumer option requirements. :( 3,700 would only be 100 lbs heavier than the average f-body... no way in hell that's going to happen.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
roll cage :deal:

I'm sure you know as well as anyone that a roll cage without a driver wearing a helmet and a 5 point is more dangerous than nothing at all. It's a great option for scrambling your brains in an accident otherwise.

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
I'm sure you know as well as anyone that a roll cage without a driver wearing a helmet and a 5 point is more dangerous than nothing at all. It's a great option for scrambling your brains in an accident otherwise.

I was joking, but seriously, I don't think crash ratings have ever factored into a vehicle purchase of mine, ever. The thought just never crossed my mind.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
I was joking, but seriously, I don't think crash ratings have ever factored into a vehicle purchase of mine, ever.

Oh I'm with ya. But crash ratings do drive the masses out there. It's never something I've considered either... whether I should or not. :o

[1badls2goat]

this luxo/crash rating stuff isn't always applicable IMO...the 07 g35 sedan is a luxo/sporty sedan and it weighs 3500 lbs, and 3700lbs if AWD. It's probably as safe as, if not safer than, the G8 will be. Sure the G8 has a bigger engine...the VQ weighs about 380 lbs and the L76 weighs less than 450 lbs...so there really shouldn't be a large difference.

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
this luxo/crash rating stuff isn't always applicable IMO...the 07 g35 sedan is a luxo/sporty sedan and it weighs 3500 lbs, and 3700lbs if AWD. It's probably as safe as, if not safer than, the G8 will be. Sure the G8 has a bigger engine...the VQ weighs about 380 lbs and the L76 weighs less than 450 lbs...so there really shouldn't be a large difference.

It seems like the G8 will be a bit bigger than the G35 to me, but I could be completely wrong on that one. :dunno:

[Boz]

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
I was joking, but seriously, I don't think crash ratings have ever factored into a vehicle purchase of mine, ever. The thought just never crossed my mind.

...and do you think you are a good representation of the target demographic for the car?

Hell, do you think you are a good representation of the target demographic for ANY new car? :spit:

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
no way in hell that's going to happen.

dude the g35 coupe weighs 3300 and the sedan is 3500 lbs. They're both safer than you could imagine (6 airbags, drop-away engine at high-speed collisions, etc. etc.)

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
dude the g35 coupe weighs 3300 and the sedan is 3500 lbs. They're both safer than you could imagine (6 airbags, drop-away engine at high-speed collisions, etc. etc.)

Yeah, but Nissan / Infiniti is not GM. You've got to compare it to GM's legacy imho.

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
It seems like the G8 will be a bit bigger than the G35 to me, but I could be completely wrong on that one. :dunno:

the 07 G35 is a pretty big sedan, IMO. Shorter by nine inches but that doesn't always have to make a difference...hell they could use less heavy materials in the cabin (doesn't always mean less insulation), for example and probably reduce weight by about 50 lbs, and then they could cut some more weight by using lighter exhaust pipes or something like that--GM has always been known for cutting corners--why not do that here and end up with a better performing semi-luxo sport sedan?

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Not with today's safety standards and consumer option requirements. :( 3,700 would only be 100 lbs heavier than the average f-body... no way in hell that's going to happen.

Bah, mine doesn't even top 3,300 lbs :p

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by Boz
...and do you think you are a good representation of the target demographic for the car?

Hell, do you think you are a good representation of the target demographic for ANY new car? :spit:



so true. :lol:

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
Bah, mine doesn't even top 3,300 lbs :p

LOL, okay okay... 4th gen LS1 f-bodies... damn details. :p

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
the 07 G35 is a pretty big sedan, IMO. Shorter by nine inches but that doesn't always have to make a difference...hell they could use less heavy materials in the cabin (doesn't always mean less insulation), for example and probably reduce weight by about 50 lbs, and then they could cut some more weight by using lighter exhaust pipes or something like that--GM has always been known for cutting corners--why not do that here and end up with a better performing semi-luxo sport sedan?

Eh, GM is known for cutting corners for cost savings... not necessarily weight savings. In fact cheaper materials could cause the weight increase.

I still think at ~ 4,000 lbs it will be a great car. I just hope it's easy to "up tune" the engine to normal LS2 standards rather than living with that detuned crap. :squint:

[Element]

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
roll cage :deal:

Don't know how a roll cage would fare against a side impact at 50mph, but I can't imagine it would be good.

Can you see the average person trying to get out of a car with a cage? :lol: They'd wind up breaking something.

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Eh, GM is known for cutting corners for cost savings... not necessarily weight savings. In fact cheaper materials could cause the weight increase.

I still think at ~ 4,000 lbs it will be a great car. I just hope it's easy to "up tune" the engine to normal LS2 standards rather than living with that detuned crap. :squint:

it isn't the tune that's mainly responsible for less hp.

It has better flowing heads than the LS2, in fact, but it has a smaller cam so it makes less horsepower. With a stock LS2 cam, it'd make around 450 hp. With an insane cam, who knows, but the numbers would be insane.

[GMCtrk]

:jerkit:

This is a sedan, not a fucking corvette.

[WCFields]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Not with today's safety standards and consumer option requirements. :( 3,700 would only be 100 lbs heavier than the average f-body... no way in hell that's going to happen. Ummm...my 2001 SS w/ auto trans weighed in at 3380, a manual would be a bit lighter even.

[1badls2goat]

Originally posted by GMCtrk
:jerkit:

This is a sedan, not a fucking corvette.

:spot: what a productive contribution.

[ChillPhatCat]

I just hope the Gubment doesn't ruin the 2009 Camaro by implementing a bunch of last minute changes to crash standards... it's gonna be a damn safe car as it is.

[Get Shorty]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
I still think at ~ 4,000 lbs it will be a great car. I just hope it's easy to "up tune" the engine to normal LS2 standards rather than living with that detuned crap. :squint:

It has a ridiculously restrictive intake. Swapping that out yields a nice horsepower increase.

http://g8gt.com/attachments/180d1171861526-pipedyno.jpg

Lots of install pictures here on a Holden L76.

http://g8gt.com/t212/

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by WhiteLightn
Ummm...my 2001 SS w/ auto trans weighed in at 3380, a manual would be a bit lighter even.

Both my 4th gen LS1 WS6's were ~ 3,600 in stock trim. Formulas and Z28's come in a little lighter, but I was speaking of averages. I think GM's dry curb weight on the Camaro was about 3,400. We're nit-picking here a little though. ;)

[CT Morgan]

Originally posted by Get Shorty
It has a ridiculously restrictive intake. Swapping that out yields a nice horsepower increase.

http://g8gt.com/attachments/180d1171861526-pipedyno.jpg

Lots of install pictures here on a Holden L76.

http://g8gt.com/t212/

Damn good to know!

[absolom]

lol, that's heavier than my cobra vert

:o

i still laugh at the people who thing the camaro is gonna be any sort of lightweight

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by absolom
lol, that's heavier than my cobra vert

:o

i still laugh at the people who thing the camaro is gonna be any sort of lightweight



why shouldnt it be heavier than your conv. cobra? its a 4 dr. sedan with a v8.

[Get Shorty]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Damn good to know!

That dyno graph could include a tune... I really have no way of knowing.

[absolom]

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
why shouldnt it be heavier than your conv. cobra? its a 4 dr. sedan with a v8.

because my car is a heavy bitch

:lol:

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by absolom
because my car is a heavy bitch

:lol:

fair enough. :rotfl:

[Firehawk]

Was this a "test weight" as in with driver and equipment?

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by Berman
of course it's going to be a boat. it's a fullsize 4-door car :lol:

wtf is wrong with you people who want the G8 to be some tiny corolla sized car? it's supposed to be a BIG, v8, rwd car like a 300C.

:werd:

Seems perfectly normal to me.

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by needcash
and whered you hear this?

the GT500 is 3950 iirc and that has a 300lbs heavier motor

scott said it on this board but it was one of my threads so I'm sure it was pruned. God forbid anything car related be kept. :rolleyes:

[Element]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
I just hope the Gubment doesn't ruin the 2009 Camaro by implementing a bunch of last minute changes to crash standards... it's gonna be a damn safe car as it is.

That's what I said in the last thread, but I got threadbanned because Scott Settlemier evidently didn't like the comment.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by Checkmate
scott said it on this board but it was one of my threads so I'm sure it was pruned. God forbid anything car related be kept. :rolleyes:




http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7770355#post7770355

[Sturmovik]

Considering the Camaro will be built on the same platform as the G8, you can bet there wont be big difference in weight. 150lbs at best.

[BrightRedOne]

Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7770355#post7770355

I absolutely love everything GM is doing right now. My entire family has owned GM vehicles for the last forty years. I have yet to see a new model that I have not liked, and the new Saturns are amazing. Keep it up, and GM is going to hand every foreign automaker its ass.

Wow it's a good thing he's no prophet, cause he'd be out of business pretty quick.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by BrightRedOne
Wow it's a good thing he's no prophet, cause he'd be out of business pretty quick.

cant win em all.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Checkmate
scott said it on this board but it was one of my threads so I'm sure it was pruned. God forbid anything car related be kept. :rolleyes:

He said it would not weigh over 3800 lbs in respone to someone that said it would. He did not give any specific weights and I did not take that as meaning that was the target weight.

[Blade]

As expected

[habib]

Originally posted by Checkmate
target weight of the camaro is 3800, so anything south of IMO is out of the question. ;) ugh

thats just horrid

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 1badls2goat
dude the g35 coupe weighs 3300 and the sedan is 3500 lbs. They're both safer than you could imagine (6 airbags, drop-away engine at high-speed collisions, etc. etc.)

and the G35 sedan will be small compared to the G8 ;) the G35 is a small sedan. the G8 will be a large sedan.

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by MapleRed
He said it would not weigh over 3800 lbs in respone to someone that said it would. He did not give any specific weights and I did not take that as meaning that was the target weight.

I took that as 3800 is the target. :shrug: We will see, in another year or so I guess. :(


What is the curb weight on the GTO, the real curb weight not what GM released.

[explosionhobbit]

Originally posted by Checkmate
I took that as 3800 is the target. :shrug: We will see, in another year or so I guess. :(


What is the curb weight on the GTO, the real curb weight not what GM released.

i've heard 3725-3825. :shrug: my next car will have carbon fiber windows and tires for weight savings. :yup:

[mrgto]

If they would utilze more aluminium or magnisium in the chasis the weight would go down. But I guess you can't have that and have cheaper prices....look at BMW's for instance they do use a lot of suspension components in aluminum.

[Element]

Originally posted by mrgto
If they would utilze more aluminium or magnisium in the chasis the weight would go down. But I guess you can't have that and have cheaper prices....look at BMW's for instance they do use a lot of suspension components in aluminum.

You need a lot more aluminum to match the strength of steel, which invaribly increases both weight and price. Even if the aluminum part weighed less, it would be a lot larger. There was actually a good thread about that on Tech. Magnesium would be good, but if I remember correctly, that can mean some nasty fire if a wreck occurs, which would be a safety concern.

Cro-moly steel is where it's at, but you probably won't see much of that on a production car.

[triggerjerk]

Z06 has an aluminum frame.
No problems there being "alot larger".

Geez, don't even malibus and some minivans have aluminum a arms?

[Element]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
Z06 has an aluminum frame.
No problems there being "alot larger".

Geez, don't even malibus and some minivans have aluminum a arms?

It's 3+mm, vs the 1mm industry standard. It also required a hell of a lot of R&D work, as well as chaning the production assembly routine, meaning it is a hell of a lot more expensive. Somehow, I don't see GM doing that with their regular cars.

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by Element
You need a lot more aluminum to match the strength of steel, which invaribly increases both weight and price. Even if the aluminum part weighed less, it would be a lot larger. There was actually a good thread about that on Tech. Magnesium would be good, but if I remember correctly, that can mean some nasty fire if a wreck occurs, which would be a safety concern.

Cro-moly steel is where it's at, but you probably won't see much of that on a production car.

Magnesium only burns in extreemly thin strips or shavings, magnesium in block or thicker sheet form is very safe.

[Nick7810]

Originally posted by WhiteLightn
Ummm...my 2001 SS w/ auto trans weighed in at 3380, a manual would be a bit lighter even.

I doubt that a 01 SS could pass the current safety requirements.

[mrgto]

Originally posted by Element
You need a lot more aluminum to match the strength of steel, which invaribly increases both weight and price. Even if the aluminum part weighed less, it would be a lot larger. There was actually a good thread about that on Tech. Magnesium would be good, but if I remember correctly, that can mean some nasty fire if a wreck occurs, which would be a safety concern.

Cro-moly steel is where it's at, but you probably won't see much of that on a production car.


It would be larger uh? Tell that to the Corvette Team, Solsice/Sky team and even the Malibu team that uses aluminum control arms that are basic sizes and aren't any bigger than other suspension parts of other cars.

[Element]

Originally posted by mrgto
It would be larger uh? Tell that to the Corvette Team, Solsice/Sky team and even the Malibu team that uses aluminum control arms that are basic sizes and aren't any bigger than other suspension parts of other cars.

The basic physics demands the parts are either weaker, or heavier.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Checkmate
I took that as 3800 is the target. :shrug: We will see, in another year or so I guess. :(


What is the curb weight on the GTO, the real curb weight not what GM released.

I think someone in that thread said the Camaro would weigh over 3800 lbs and Scott refuted it and said "no way it weighs over 3800 lbs.". Nothing in that statement says that is some kind of target. I also don't believe Scott would reveal the curb weight, since he won't mention any hp numbers or engine details. Its just too early for him to reveal any kind of specific production info.

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by Element
The basic physics demands the parts are either weaker, or heavier.

Many aluminum alloys are stronger than standard issue steel and at a density of 1/3 that of steel, that means stronger and lighter. Steel's strength is overrated, it can mix easier with other metals and it's easy to work with but it's nowhere near a wonder metal. There are many things that make steel a better material, but pound for pound you just can't beat aluminum in the end. Ultimately, steel is just cheap and readilly available.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by MapleRed
I think someone in that thread said the Camaro would weigh over 3800 lbs and Scott refuted it and said "no way it weighs over 3800 lbs.". Nothing in that statement says that is some kind of target. I also don't believe Scott would reveal the curb weight, since he won't mention any hp numbers or engine details. Its just too early for him to reveal any kind of specific production info.

lutz mentioned whn he was talking about a G8 that it had a chassis that shared platforms and it was designed for different wheelbase vehicles.


does that play a factor in vehicle weight?

[Element]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
Many aluminum alloys are stronger than standard issue steel and at a density of 1/3 that of steel, that means stronger and lighter. Steel's strength is overrated, it can mix easier with other metals and it's easy to work with but it's nowhere near a wonder metal. There are many things that make steel a better material, but pound for pound you just can't beat aluminum in the end. Ultimately, steel is just cheap and readilly available.

I'd also imagine those aluminum alloys are significantly more expensive than steel, which is the real issue here. There is no reason for GM to use an exotic material (granted, aluminum alloy might not be "exotic" but for purposes here, it's close enough) on a standard-production family sedan.

[mrgto]

Originally posted by Element
I'd also imagine those aluminum alloys are significantly more expensive than steel, which is the real issue here. There is no reason for GM to use an exotic material (granted, aluminum alloy might not be "exotic" but for purposes here, it's close enough) on a standard-production family sedan.


Uh, they already do on the Malibu....how many times do we have to tell you that?

[426HEMI]

Odd, don't see anyone calling it an overweight pig.

[ill deuce]

Originally posted by Element
The basic physics demands the parts are either weaker, or heavier. most steel parts are cast,the aluminum parts are probably forged.

that way they can be the same size,the foring would make up for the size difference

[ill deuce]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
Many aluminum alloys are stronger than standard issue steel and at a density of 1/3 that of steel, that means stronger and lighter. Steel's strength is overrated, it can mix easier with other metals and it's easy to work with but it's nowhere near a wonder metal. There are many things that make steel a better material, but pound for pound you just can't beat aluminum in the end. Ultimately, steel is just cheap and readilly available. aluminum will never have the fatigue life steel will

thats the advantage of steel over,aluminum,magnesium,and titanium.certain forged alloys might match ceratin steel alloy's tensile strength but never the longevity

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Odd, don't see anyone calling it an overweight pig.



its not a 2 door "sports car"


if it were then it certainly would be ;)

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by needcash
its not a 2 door "sports car"


if it were then it certainly would be ;)

Oh I think there were plenty of comments made about the Chrysler 300 vehicles.

[Element]

Originally posted by mrgto
Uh, they already do on the Malibu....how many times do we have to tell you that?

:Picard: Do you honestly think the same time and money went into developing aluminum components for the Malibu as the Z06? :boggled:

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Oh I think there were plenty of comments made about the Chrysler 300 vehicles.

dont the 300s weigh over 4200lbs? thats a bit on the heavy side ;)

[cm_ls1]

lets not forget .. the camaro will be on a shorter version of the zeta platform .. so should weigh less

and the gto should be longer.. with hopefully L92 6.2l geniv, l76 manifold and more aggressive cam and higher compression !

http://g8gt.com/attachments/276d1174358121-coupe-v.jpg

[ill deuce]

Originally posted by needcash
dont the 300s weigh over 4200lbs? thats a bit on the heavy side ;) so 4200=fat pig

4000=:thumbup:

?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
Oh I think there were plenty of comments made about the Chrysler 300 vehicles.

I think people are getting used to the fact that they weigh so much and its not such a big deal anymore. :shrug:

[Cobra Commander]

It's a pig.

And Al is light, but iirc you can't weld on it.

[ULTIMTEORANGESS]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
lets not forget .. the camaro will be on a shorter version of the zeta platform .. so should weigh less

and the gto should be longer.. with hopefully L92 6.2l geniv, l76 manifold and more aggressive cam and higher compression !

http://g8gt.com/attachments/276d1174358121-coupe-v.jpg

i think this anwsers my question from earlier.

[shuck]

Originally posted by CT Morgan
Not with today's safety standards and consumer option requirements. :( 3,700 would only be 100 lbs heavier than the average f-body... no way in hell that's going to happen.

3600 lbs, damn did you have a the back seats full when you weight your car. Mine weighed in at 3392 lbs without driver and a 1/4 tank of gas.

[mrgto]

Originally posted by Element
:Picard: Do you honestly think the same time and money went into developing aluminum components for the Malibu as the Z06? :boggled:


Does it matter? Aluminum isn't any kind of exotic metal. THey make a shit load of corvettes and solstice/Sky's and they are going to make the same amount of G8's so they should also get aluminum suspensions to help out in the fuel economcy standards. Hell, I've seen ford pickups with aluminum suspension components..they need heavy duty pieces right?

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
It's a pig.

And Al is light, but iirc you can't weld on it.

of course it's a pig. it's a big 4-door.

you can weld aluminum ;)

[Boz]

Am I the only one who thinks the G8 looks a helluva lot like the TL?

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by Berman
of course it's a pig. it's a big 4-door.

you can weld aluminum ;)

I said on it.

ie, a roll bar/cage

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by ill deuce
so 4200=fat pig

4000=:thumbup:

?



over 4200 = fat pig

3900 = acceptable for a 4 door



thats right around CTS-V and M5 weights IIRC and the 300s are around mid size SUV weight :shrug: my jeep cherokee only weight 4000lbs :o

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by needcash
over 4200 = fat pig

3900 = acceptable for a 4 door



thats right around CTS-V and M5 weights IIRC and the 300s are around mid size SUV weight :shrug: my jeep cherokee only weight 4000lbs :o

If the article is correct, G8 = 3995lbs. SRT-8 4160lbs. So 165lbs is THAT big of a deal? Bullshit.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
If the article is correct, G8 = 3995lbs. SRT-8 4160lbs. So 165lbs is THAT big of a deal? Bullshit.

don't you dare talk to the authority on all things automotive like that. :slap:

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by Berman
don't you dare talk to the authority on all things automotive like that. :slap:

All things related to cawk maybe. :bwahaha:

[Kata Skopos]

Originally posted by 426HEMI
If the article is correct, G8 = 3995lbs. SRT-8 4160lbs. So 165lbs is THAT big of a deal? Bullshit.

nope, i thought it was different :shrug:

if it makes you feel better i dont like the idea of 4000lbs either :badpost:

[Cobra Commander]

165 is indeed a big deal