SSR will get LS2/6spd Combo in 05

[Big Als Z28]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/ssrblur.jpg

GMI Editor Rex Raider's Rendering of New SSR Color
(No one has seen this color yet, so please remember the rendering is an educated guess)

In a follow up to an earlier GMInsidenews article concerning the future of GM’s performance trucks, we are glad to report that the first piece is essentially confirmed.
We are referring to the first part of GM’s performance truck tri-fecta, a high performance SSR. Word is spreading around the internet that a dealer briefing took place this week in which GM shared the first official details of this new SSR. The basics are that the 2005 SSR will have an all aluminum 6.0 Liter LS2 V8, a new six speed manual, an upgraded 4L65E transmission, new bluish-purple hue changing paint color, upgraded rear end, and other detail bits. The new SSR is reported to be capable of low 5 second 0-60 sprints and sub 14 second quarter-mile passes. These upgrades had been planned from the beginning, as the SSR is Chevrolet’s halo truck.

Also to clarify things, this is the second version of the LS2 rumored by many sources. To be honest, in simplest terms the LS2 (both versions) is nothing more than an aluminum evolution of the LQ9 iron engine in the Silverado SS with Gen IV upgrades. This means that while the iron 6.0L will continue in the various truck apps, all performance versions will have the aluminum 6.0L block and be referred to as LS2 (a nice marketing ploy). LS2 Version 2.0 will likely be rated in the neighborhood of 380-390 HP with more tuning towards TQ. It is designed to be used in both car and truck applications and is can pretty much fit anywhere the 5.7L block can. This two pronged approach shadows GM's treatment of the LS1 when they had the 350 HP Corvette LS1, and the "slightly detuned" F-body LS1, only now they are sharing 6.0L with truck applications and further spreading development costs. The LS2 will next year be the top engine in the C6, so in my opinion, I would not expect the SSR or any other LS2 powered vehicle to carry a 400 HP "rating". Expect to see this new LS2 in the Trailblazer SS (the SSR is a Trailblazer, so this obvious), Silverado SS Shortbox, and........(sit down).....possibly the high performance GTO. Eventually the 5.3 Liter and 6.0 Liter Gen IV engines will replace the 5.7 Liter in all applications.


As always, stay tuned to GMInsidenews.com for all the latest FACTUAL GM news!

[Lurch]

its still ugly :o

[WTFBEES]

Well, it's a step in the right direction. Now they need to figure out a way to shave 1000 pounds from it.

[BET IT]

Originally posted by Fallen Shadow
its still ugly :o

:werd:

You can paint a cow turd perty red, and put stickers and an exhaust on it, but when the end of the day comes, its still a turd:o

[TK_05]

i dunno what is up w/ these cars but they have got to be like 8 feet high.. there friggen huge

[TurboSix]

you guys are on crack..

SSR + LS2 + 6 speed = :cool:

[White98TA]

i think it looks pretty tight...............and if it gets an LS2 that gives it an ever better grade in my book....................:D

[WTFBEES]

Originally posted by TK_05
i dunno what is up w/ these cars but they have got to be like 8 feet high.. there friggen huge

Very true. I lowered the shit out of one (in photoshop) and it's still got about a foot of ground clearance.

[Affirmed]

There going to fade out the 5.7 :(

[DrEvyl]

Originally posted by TurboSix
you guys are on crack..

SSR + LS2 + 6 speed = :cool:

:werd:

I so wanna get one and put a freakin blower on it.

[Big Als Z28]

5.7 is already gone. Only cars that use it is the CTSV and the Holden crew. Holden is going to the Gen IV, and the CTSV will follow.

[Toolish Hawk]

I think taht fuckin bad ass. that was always one of the biggest complaints about that ride, and now there fixin it up.

Would hate to be one of the ones that have already bought it when they read this.

[Big Als Z28]

well, same goes for GTO owners.

[Chevcamaro18]

I think those things are badass, now with an LS2 they will be badass X2:cool:

[D Dub]

Originally posted by WTFBEES
Well, it's a step in the right direction. Now they need to figure out a way to shave 1000 pounds from it.

It says sub-14 second 1/4 mile times...I think it's just fine at the weight it is at ;)

Can some of you not give GM any props for anything they do? :mad: :jerkit:

[Big Als Z28]

D Dub, trying to please the masses, especialy here on LS2.com is hard. People like the SSR, but were upset that it didnt get a stronger motor.. it now has the stronger motor, but now its too expensive.
Well, you call me when you find a hard top vert that makes near 400hp for under 50k. The SSR isnt made to be a mass produced, low cost car. Its a high end niche truck. I cant wait till they drop it the LS2 into the 1500 Silvarado and Tblazer.

[D Dub]

Like I said the other day, the trend around here is to NOT like GM...:rolleyes:

[Big Als Z28]

I guess if its not an ls1 fbody, then its not worth the gas it burns. or an 03 cobra.

[FAST LS1]

The SSR is a "Prowler" type vehicle. It looks good but the performance and whole package just isn't there.
If GM is smart they'll make the Silverado short cab/bed their top performance truck. The only way they're going to compete with a 500hp V-10 6-speed Ram and 450-500hp Lightning looming in the shadows is to make an LS2 6.0L WITH a supercharger. They should offer it with a stick or automatic, but it needs 450-500hp to just compete with what's already out there, or about to be out there.
I can already bet that they won't supercharge the 6.0L in the Silverado and have the slowest ass truck in the performance truck segment. I guess GM doesn't understand that to be Number One in Trucks, you HAVE to have at least a contending truck in the Performance truck market. It can't be a halo truck if it gets raped by all the other trucks in the segment :rolleyes:

[pasty-t]

I would so get a silverado short bed with the ls2 in it .. hell i like them with the 5.3 vortec

[D Dub]

Originally posted by FAST LS1
The SSR is a "Prowler" type vehicle. It looks good but the performance and whole package just isn't there.
If GM is smart they'll make the Silverado short cab/bed their top performance truck. The only way they're going to compete with a 500hp V-10 6-speed Ram and 450-500hp Lightning looming in the shadows is to make an LS2 6.0L WITH a supercharger. They should offer it with a stick or automatic, but it needs 450-500hp to just compete with what's already out there, or about to be out there.
I can already bet that they won't supercharge the 6.0L in the Silverado and have the slowest ass truck in the performance truck segment. I guess GM doesn't understand that to be Number One in Trucks, you HAVE to have at least a contending truck in the Performance truck market. It can't be a halo truck if it gets raped by all the other trucks in the segment :rolleyes:

They aren't going to make a truck faster than the vette, this ain't ford...and if you actually READ what it says, it mentions the trailblazer ss and SHORTBED silverado...

If that truck is in the 13s (once again, read) I fail to see how it is getting 'raped' in the performance truck segment...It is the only other vehicle as of right now that is getting the LS2/6 speed combo besides the C6...but it's down on performance? :think:

[NowThatsPerfect]

thank god.. as of right now its a slow POS :p

[FirehawkNS]

I think it will be cool. I stopped and looked at one when I was at the dealers the other day and I really like the interior. It's not where I would put my money, but I like it!!

[FAST LS1]

Originally posted by D Dub
They aren't going to make a truck faster than the vette, this ain't ford...and if you actually READ what it says, it mentions the trailblazer ss and SHORTBED silverado...

If that truck is in the 13s (once again, read) I fail to see how it is getting 'raped' in the performance truck segment...It is the only other vehicle as of right now that is getting the LS2/6 speed combo besides the C6...but it's down on performance? :think:

I was implying that the Silverado short bed should be the one getting the S/C 6.0L. Even with 450-500hp it wouldn't be faster than a new Vette since it will weigh over 5000lbs. GM's rule is that it can't have more "hp" than the Vette or be faster. That's stupid, just supercharge the 6.0L and rate it at 390hp like the other LS2 engines. The only difference needs to be that it makes 390rwhp.

If the truck's in the high 13's NA it will get raped. The Lightning and Ram can make some easy bolt on performance since their engines are either big, or s/c'ed. The 6.0L won't be able to compete with a 3V S/C'ed 5.4L that can add a $1000 in bolt ons and get 100+hp.

[Whut]

Originally posted by Fallen Shadow
its still ugly :o

I was thinking the same thing. Something like "Great, now if they could swap out that ugly ass body for something a little more CAR like."

[MapleRed]

Badass! I think this truck looks great. My local dealer has already sold three of these at a high markup. It finally will get the power to back up the looks. :cool:

[StealthZ06]

Personally I like them, BUT they do need to shave off nearly 1000lbs. That truck weighs 4500 lbs.. :eek: :eek:

If the C6 will run 12.7 and weigh 3245 lbs. (approx), then that means that truck will be lucky to push low 14's.

[94BAMF]

Good move by GM. I never seen the purpose to this truck in the first place. Now at least if will have some performance.

I like the paint. Wonder where they got that idea.:D

[Trendkiller Z28]

Should be bad ass:headbang:

LS2 Powered SSR Coming to a GM Dealer Near You in 2005!

(IMG:http://www.gminsidenews.com/ssrblur.jpg)
GMI Editor Rex Raider's Rendering of New SSR Color
(No one has seen this color yet, so please remember the rendering is an educated guess)

In a follow up to an earlier GMInsidenews article concerning the future of GM’s performance trucks, we are glad to report that the first piece is essentially confirmed.
We are referring to the first part of GM’s performance truck tri-fecta, a high performance SSR. Word is spreading around the internet that a dealer briefing took place this week in which GM shared the first official details of this new SSR. The basics are that the 2005 SSR will have an all aluminum 6.0 Liter LS2 V8, a new six speed manual, an upgraded 4L65E transmission, new bluish-purple hue changing paint color, upgraded rear end, and other detail bits. The new SSR is reported to be capable of low 5 second 0-60 sprints and sub 14 second quarter-mile passes. These upgrades had been planned from the beginning, as the SSR is Chevrolet’s halo truck.

Also to clarify things, this is the second version of the LS2 rumored by many sources. To be honest, in simplest terms the LS2 (both versions) is nothing more than an aluminum evolution of the LQ9 iron engine in the Silverado SS with Gen IV upgrades. This means that while the iron 6.0L will continue in the various truck apps, all performance versions will have the aluminum 6.0L block and be referred to as LS2 (a nice marketing ploy). LS2 Version 2.0 will likely be rated in the neighborhood of 380-390 HP with more tuning towards TQ. It is designed to be used in both car and truck applications and is can pretty much fit anywhere the 5.7L block can. This two pronged approach shadows GM's treatment of the LS1 when they had the 350 HP Corvette LS1, and the "slightly detuned" F-body LS1, only now they are sharing 6.0L with truck applications and further spreading development costs. The LS2 will next year be the top engine in the C6, so in my opinion, I would not expect the SSR or any other LS2 powered vehicle to carry a 400 HP "rating". Expect to see this new LS2 in the Trailblazer SS (the SSR is a Trailblazer, so this obvious), Silverado SS Shortbox, and........(sit down).....possibly the high performance GTO. Eventually the 5.3 Liter and 6.0 Liter Gen IV engines will replace the 5.7 Liter in all applications.

[Toolish Hawk]

theres a pretty good sized thread taht was started last night in regards to this.

Eigther way, its definatley bad ass.

[Trendkiller Z28]

Damn that:yell: I knew I couldn't have been the first one:o

[pasty-t]

welcome to yesterday ... but yeah the concept is better ... but i want that in a damn silverado or sierra

[Victory]

man i seen one of those ssr's for the first time in real life.

I think its fucking ugly as all hell.:umm:

[DrEvyl]

Merging duplicate thread.

[Big Als Z28]

Originally posted by 94BAMF
Good move by GM. I never seen the purpose to this truck in the first place. Now at least if will have some performance.

I like the paint. Wonder where they got that idea.:D

there is no "need" to make these, its a "cool" car that Chevy makes as a Halo car. I think its a cool looking car. There was a red one driving around NYC on saturday... everyone stopped and pointed and you could hear oohs and ahhs.

[jmd]

Originally posted by DK
Personally I like them, BUT they do need to shave off nearly 1000lbs. That truck weighs 4500 lbs.. :eek: :eek:

It's just the market trend; has been for 25+ years. Remember when the large cars of the 60's and 70's got downsized?

Added weight:
Passive restraints (automatic seatbelts, airbags)
Engine control module, wiring, sensors
Power Locks / Windows - how many cars have them standard?
larger wheels / tyres = quite a bit of weight.
Wiring for DRL, automatic dimming dome lamp :rolleyes: & switch for auto headlamps etc.

Since the SSR was truck-based and the S-10 Blazer chassis has matured into a larger, longer, more capable, less flexible piece, that's what you're bonna get. People who spend 40k don't want road noise, manual accessories, and the other nuances some car guys would gladly put up with for less weight.

[CaptUSA]

I wonder how long it'll be before I can get my hands on an LS2 for my 2000 Z28? :nod:

[Big Als Z28]

agreed. people look at this truck as if it was a corvette.

[Joe Anstett]

Originally posted by jmd
It's just the market trend; has been for 25+ years. Remember when the large cars of the 60's and 70's got downsized?

It's also sloppy and cheap engineering. It's easy to "evolve" something and just keep making it heavier.

That's why the changes to the C6 are special for keeping weight down, and ditto for the Z06 and next-gen Z06.


Since the SSR was truck-based and the S-10 Blazer chassis has matured into a larger, longer, more capable, less flexible piece, that's what you're bonna get. People who spend 40k don't want road noise, manual accessories, and the other nuances some car guys would gladly put up with for less weight.

Unfortunately this trend happens everywhere. But weight kills performance.

Look at the original Mustang (light + simple). By the end of the 1st gen it was almost a station wagon.

Anybody remember when Jaguar made sports cars and not just heavy land yachts?

All the so-called "sports sedans" (Audi, BMW, Infiniti, et al) are pushing 4000 lbs. The new 350Z is something like 3600 pounds.

The idea of a sub-3000 lb sports car seems to be dead.

Even Porsche gets bitten by the bug. The 911 gets heavier and heavier as customers who buy the car for prestige continue to demand ride comfort and quiet and those interested in a light weight sportscar get shut out. (The best selling 911 is the Carerra 4 Cabriolet tiptronic -- the slowest, heaviest, worst handling auto model).

Which is more reason to heap praise on the Corvette team in comparison.

[Joe Anstett]

Originally posted by Big Als Z28
agreed. people look at this truck as if it was a corvette.

When stock or near-stock Ford Lightnings can keep up with or embarass a Corvette...

When Porsche and BMWs make SUVs that can actually handle...

When the Ram SRT-10 is going to hit the drag strips...

Maybe this truck SHOULD be more like a Corvette to keep from getting embaraSSed.

GM seems to like making "Halo" cars that come up short. Like the 35th anniversary f-bods that were just paint/sticker/tire upgrades, no LS6, no supercharger.