V6 worth modding?

[red2001caaaamaro]

My friend has a monte carlo ss, it has the 3800 in it but it is slow as balls. He asked me the other day if there was any thing he could slap on to fix this, I told him I'd ask around for him. I suggested a nitrous kit, he didn't like the idea much but only because he has only heard the horror stories. Any suggestions on what are some good power adders for this car?

[ChillPhatCat]

You could get a supercharger for it... and it's kind of a heavy car... maybe weight reduction is in order?

Stock it shouldn't be sluggish by any means... mid to high 15's should be possible...

[hrspwr00v6]

basics. intake, exhaust, chip/programming if possible. then a nice turbo set up :-D

[20firebird02]

put a cam, exhaust, chip and gears in it and he should be good. and then if that isnt enough tell him to sc it or use n2o.

[hrspwr00v6]

no chip with n20 / FI thing go boom. a list of 'hardcore' mods would be:
Heads
Cam
Low cr pistons
intake
exhaust
ported and polished TB/upper/lower intakes
verter if a4 stage 3+ clutch if manual
drag radials
gears if possible.
then a supercharger or nitrous or turbo (whats yo flavor)

[SehlraC]

Full exhaust
Intake
Gears
Supercharger -
It would be very easy of him to supercharge his car. Well, compared to our cars anyway

[red2001caaaamaro]

With the mods you guys listed what kind of gains can be expected? Also I think he has about 3k to play with.

[red2001caaaamaro]

Originally posted by ChillPhatCat
You could get a supercharger for it... and it's kind of a heavy car... maybe weight reduction is in order?

Stock it shouldn't be sluggish by any means... mid to high 15's should be possible... Not that it is sluggish per say, it just doesn't have that WOW!! effect he wants it to have.

[hrspwr00v6]

depends..... you can mix and match to get better results

heads/ blower cam/ p&p intakes and a charger (depending on boost) ~80+rwhp

[99Camaro99]

it's really not worth it to mod the 3800. For the amount of money you put in you really don't see impressive gains, however, it can be done.

Cheapest way to get the 3800 hauling is a nice 75 shot..."safe" amount with minimal problems. Then I would just do exhaust to give it a nice sound and that's about it. Any more and you're wasting your money IMO. Then again you could go the FI route but you'll be spending lots of time tweaking it/tuning it, and then also the likely possibility of much downtime due to it not being too stable. Just remember the more you mod a car the more problems you'll deal with, it's just a fact when it comes to modding.

Good luck with whatever you do.

[DamnWS6]

tell him 2 sell that shit and try for an early ls1, if not enoguh cash he can always go for an lt1

[red2001caaaamaro]

Hehe already told him, he said he has driven camaro's but he just doesn't like them, so i dunno. He likes the monte i guess so he is gonna try to work with it, he's savin for a cts.

99camaro99, thats what i kinda told him, 50 shot with heads cams and exhaust. price+performance gains+plus down time, these seem to be net the most. Any one confirm or deny this be a good package?

On a related topic what is the best street cams, and quietest exhaust for the 3800? I know your asking "why the quietest" but for some reason a car that has way more bite than bark is very pleasing to me as well as knowing my friend doesn't want his car to be loud, he like luxury and performance.

[camarospeedemon]

I don't see why he couldn't put an l67 intake and M90 blower off a GTP on there without many problems. That would deffinately help him out some and give him the best bang for the buck.

My friend picked up an M90 off ebay for ~$500.

[99Camaro99]

the L36 ain't designed to handle boost as well as the L67 that's why Ken :cool:

Face it...I win :)

[red2001caaaamaro]

Funny stuff guys, every shop i talk to kind of chuckles then asks if they even make parts for this car. they tell me sure if I can find the parts they will do the work. Soooo does any one know where to find cams/headers/exhaust for a 01 monte carlo SS?

[hrspwr00v6]

intense-racing.com

[Scotty]

My friend is getting an 03 Impala LS and also had this question about the 3800. I know he wants to mod it, but he won't because he blows his money on video games and stupid shit all the time. Otherwise I'd tell him to go intake, gears, and chip.

[SehlraC]

Originally posted by Scotty-Z
My friend is getting an 03 Impala LS and also had this question about the 3800. I know he wants to mod it, but he won't because he blows his money on video games and stupid shit all the time. Otherwise I'd tell him to go intake, gears, and chip. Tell his to find out which 3800 motor he has, I'm not sure which ones are in the Impala's

L36 or L67

Probably the L36, right?

[hrspwr00v6]

l36 is naturally aspriated l67 is supercharged

[ChillPhatCat]

I am wondering if the supercharged impala SS and Monte SS are using the L67... the L67 is in the GTP and it's making 260 Hp wheras the supercharged Monte SS and Impala SS get a 3.8 that has 240 Hp... What's going on? Dare I speculate that the SS's are using supercharged L36's?

[99Camaro99]

no I'm sure the "new" GTP has a 3800 Series III while the Monte and Impala have the 3800 Series II

...and the Neon boy educates yet again ;)

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99
no I'm sure the "new" GTP has a 3800 Series III while the Monte and Impala have the 3800 Series II

...and the Neon boy educates yet again ;)

So there are series II and III L67's?

[99Camaro99]

http://www.pontiac.com/grandprix/specs.jsp?brand=home&pagename=home

go read halfway down it says gtp supercharged 3800 series III

SRT-4 boy knows all :)

[Whitey]

This SRT-4 guys is one smart cookie





or he spends too much time on the net :p :wall:

[ChillPhatCat]

Doesn't answer my question... is it still an L67?

[red2001caaaamaro]

Well guys, my friend brought home his new cadilac cts today, but thank you for your replys. I will try to post some pics of his car tomarrow afternoon so yall can drool over it, it is so beautiful words can't describe. Once again thanks all :)

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by Whitebird94
This SRT-4 guys is one smart cookie





or he spends too much time on the net :p :wall:

I prefer choice one! :)

I used to own a V6 Camaro for 5 years so I do know a lot about them and how it's really not worth it to mod. :cool:

Here it is...


http://www.nicklomedia.com/tony/99camaro99/pics/backleft.jpg

[SehlraC]

Don't mod a V6, go buy a neon ;)

[SabreXray]

The '04 Grand Prix GTP is running an L32 engine whereas the '04 Monte SS is an old style L67 like my '01 GP GTP.

I raced a V6 Firebird. You should have seen the shocked look I got when I stop for him to catch up.

A 300+ Hp Grand Prix is worth the troubble to mod. It is still a pretty heavy car though.

I like 3800performance.com, good quick service.

zzperformance.com is a good vendor as well.

BTW he would be stoopid to put an L67's Eaton M90 on an L36 (Old Monte SS) engine. You want a charger get a Paxton Novi 1000. http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/products/csc/centrifugal_sc_kit.htm

ZZPerformance claims there '01 Monte SS dyno'd at 388 Whp (485 hp at the crankshaft).

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by SabreXray
The '04 Grand Prix GTP is running an L32 engine

umm...the L32 is the 3.4L found in the old v6 f-bodies ;)

[2003WS6A5]

Anybody who said it was worthless to mod is stupid and should go back to the V8 forums

You can easily drop $1000 on an L67 and be running 2 seconds LESS than stock, quite better than an LS1 IIRC.

zzperformance.com
intense-racing.com
pfyc.com

[redcamaro9090]

Modding an L32 is extremely pointless, I know from experience ;)

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by Bryant
Anybody who said it was worthless to mod is stupid and should go back to the V8 forums

You can easily drop $1000 on an L67 and be running 2 seconds LESS than stock, quite better than an LS1 IIRC.

zzperformance.com
intense-racing.com
pfyc.com

:lol:

The L67 is not in a F-body. The original post was is it worth it to mod a L36 and the answer is NO in my opinion...been there done that. The L67 is not bad but I still do NOT like that 3800 Series II/III motor. The GN 3.8...well that's another story. :D

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99


The original post was is it worth it to mod a L36 and the answer is NO in my opinion...been there done that.

Maybe you just had the wrong mods.

[SehlraC]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99
The original post was is it worth it to mod a L36 and the answer is NO in my opinion...been there done that.

Uhh...what did you do again? A muffler?

[99Camaro99]

FTRA, Lid, K/N, Catco 3", LT1 catback, Flowmaster 80...good for a spinning 2.11 60' to a 15.21 @ 89

With just muffler (no catback) and the Lid with a dead hook 2.12 60' I nailed a 15.24 @ 88

Seriously the 3800 is a nice low end torquey motor but it has no balls up top. Plus for the amount of money spent on mods (e.g. the bolt-ons) you get little returns on this motor. I've seen bigger improvments from bolt-ons on 4.6s, LT1s, LS1s, FI motors, and the like than on that 3.8L

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99


Seriously the 3800 is a nice low end torquey motor but it has no balls up top. Plus for the amount of money spent on mods (e.g. the bolt-ons) you get little returns on this motor. I've seen bigger improvments from bolt-ons on 4.6s, LT1s, LS1s, FI motors, and the like than on that 3.8L

I ran a 14.4 with only bolt ons. They dropped me .7 in the 1/4 mile. seems like a pretty good return to me.. :confused:

BTW, they have no balls up top with the stock manifolds (non-tubular). I put my Pace Setters on there and it really woke up.

[5.0THIS]

pace setter headers and their crappy y-pipe suck. Someone ask me how I know :D

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by 5.0THISS
pace setter headers and their crappy y-pipe suck. Someone ask me how I know :D

Correction, the installation of the headers and re-bending of the y-pipe suck. Once they're in there, they kick ass! :D

[Scotty]

Originally posted by Brady
Tell his to find out which 3800 motor he has, I'm not sure which ones are in the Impala's

L36 or L67

Probably the L36, right?
Nevermind.

We went to look at it and they had told us it was the LS model. Nope, it was just the regular Impala with the 3400.

Which means it's even slower right?

[SabreXray]

From 02BlueGTP:

The L32 is the 3rd Generation 3800 engine with a gen5 Eaton M90 supercharger.

To my knowledge, the biggest differences between it and the L67 are valve size, and efficiencies gained in the superchager. A number of other changes were also made to some gaskets and such -- mostly to make them last longer.

The gen5 supercharges is (suppossedly) where most of the HP improvements in the 2004+ GP's came from. The SC is geared more efficiently -- I believe it moves the same volume of air but it does it without as much load on the engine and without as much added heat as previous generations.

[ChillPhatCat]

Well, the L32 was the 3.4L engine... we know this as fact, so it has to be an L36 if not the L67.