Camaro Concept: Engine thoughts....

[Checkmate]

So what are your thoughts, lets see who is right or who has inside information. ;)

Realisticly, I believe it will be an ls2 with 390-400hp. Anything above that will send the vette people into a frenzy. :rolleyes:


Production motors:
3.6L V6 (LY7) 245-260 hp

6.0L V8 (LS2), by the time it goes to production I think it will be 425hp in the top HP camaro model. Or it might get a detuned version of the the new 6.2/.3 V8.

I would bet on only one V8, just like the 4th gen. :)

[Pesticide]

Checkmate I think you are dead on with your predictions. However, GM may pull out the SS card and add a 15-20 hp package. I think the advertised number for HP will 400hp...they already have it in the GTO and doesn't may sense to drop the power levels. Besides 400hp is a great marketing tool.

[Doug Harden]

3.6HV V6 Base / RS
5.3L V8 DOD LT
6.2L V8 SS
....and something really special for the return of the Z/28....:cool:

[MapleRed]

I'm thinking the concept will have at least a 450 hp V8 under the hood, probably either an LS2 or one of the new V8's GM is coming out with.

As for production, I pretty much agree w/ OrigZ except I think the base Camaro will have a 3.9L V6 and the SS could still be a 6.0L LS2. No clue what the Z/28 could have but I'm sure it will be special.

[Pesticide]

Why something special for the Z28? For years the Z28 has been the base V8 Camaro model. Plus having the Z28 offering with more power than the SS would go against GM's product offerings.

[Johnny_Pappis]

Originally posted by Pesticide
Why something special for the Z28? For years the Z28 has been the base V8 Camaro model. Plus having the Z28 offering with more power than the SS would go against GM's product offerings.


Yeah thats got me confused too...whats up with everyone saying that

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by Johnny_Pappis
Yeah thats got me confused too...whats up with everyone saying that

Rumor has it the z28 will be the 'top' camaro. Kind of like the 'z' corvette. ;)

[NviouSS]

then that would make the Super Sports not so Super :sadnana:

[SVTguy]

Originally posted by NviouSS
then that would make the Super Sports not so Super :sadnana:


Was it ever more than a dress up package?

[TA219]

Originally posted by OrigZ
3.6HV V6 Base / RS
5.3L V8 DOD LT
6.2L V8 SS
....and something really special for the return of the Z/28....:cool:

I hear rumors of some kind if FI :cool:

I have also heard that the Z will be the quicker but the SS may be the loaded package

It all may be bs for all we know but it is fun to daydream

edit: I have also heard that the blue C6 that everyone thought was the blue devil actually a 6.2l motor and was supercharged... that i can kind of beleive because GM has been known to test new powerplants in existing cars (so they dont attract too much attention)

[Affirmed]

RS 3.6
Z28 5.3
SS 6.0-6.2

[Doug Harden]

Originally posted by TA219
I hear rumors of some kind if FI :cool:

I have also heard that the Z will be the quicker but the SS may be the loaded package

It all may be bs for all we know but it is fun to daydream

edit: I have also heard that the blue C6 that everyone thought was the blue devil actually a 6.2l motor and was supercharged... that i can kind of beleive because GM has been known to test new powerplants in existing cars (so they dont attract too much attention)

Heard the same rumors.... ;)

For those confused by the Z/28 vs SS talk.....there's also good rumors floating about that the Z/28 will be taken back (where it started life as) to it's rightful place as a Special Edition...ala the Z06 and the SS will continue as it always has been as the top of the line, option-wise, in the normal Camaro lineup.

A few of us have fought tooth and nail for this....I have the scars to prove it.

In all truth, this is the way it should have always been and is NOT that much of a deviation as to the way things are / were.

The SS moniker is used on ALL Chevy lineups for the top of the line optioned models.

The Camaro NEEDS a Special Edition to battle with the Mustang and DCX hi-po cars...and the Z/28 is the one that'll rock their worlds...if what I hear actually happens ;)

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by OrigZ
Heard the same rumors.... ;)

For those confused by the Z/28 vs SS talk.....there's also good rumors floating about that the Z/28 will be taken back (where it started life as) to it's rightful place as a Special Edition...ala the Z06 and the SS will continue as it always has been as the top of the line, option-wise, in the normal Camaro lineup.

A few of us have fought tooth and nail for this....I have the scars to prove it.

In all truth, this is the way it should have always been and is NOT that much of a deviation as to the way things are / were.

The SS moniker is used on ALL Chevy lineups for the top of the line optioned models.

The Camaro NEEDS a Special Edition to battle with the Mustang and DCX hi-po cars...and the Z/28 is the one that'll rock their worlds...if what I hear actually happens ;)

Reading cz28 will update anyone on all the rumors, any real info is being kept quiet.

You really think there will be 3 v8 engine packages. :spit:
The Camaro is not that special, i'd be shocked if we got 2 options.

Little over a month we will know a whole lot more. :)

[Affirmed]

And the big suprise is the Z28 is FWD :lol:

[Doug Harden]

Originally posted by Checkmate
Reading cz28 will update anyone on all the rumors, any real info is being kept quiet.

You really think there will be 3 v8 engine packages. :spit:
The Camaro is not that special, i'd be shocked if we got 2 options.

Little over a month we will know a whole lot more. :)

I've hung out at CZ28.com for years! :drive:......and yes, I've been told point blank that we'll get three engine choices. :cool:

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by Affirmed
And the big suprise is the Z28 is FWD :lol:

That would be somethin'

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by OrigZ
I've hung out at CZ28.com for years! :drive:......and yes, I've been told point blank that we'll get three engine choices. :cool:

:woot:

But that means 4 w/ the Z/28, correct? :think:

[Doug Harden]

Originally posted by MapleRed
:woot:

But that means 4 w/ the Z/28, correct? :think:

What if one choice was the same size "engine" but had a little "help"? ;)

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by OrigZ
What if one choice was the same size "engine" but had a little "help"? ;)

Like the LS1/LS6? :hmm:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by OrigZ
What if one choice was the same size "engine" but had a little "help"? ;)

Thats what I figured. :cool:

[Doug Harden]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
Like the LS1/LS6? :hmm:

They don't make the LS1/LS6 anymore....LS2, LS7, LS*

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
Like the LS1/LS6? :hmm:

Think FI

[HOTCIVIC]

Originally posted by OrigZ
They don't make the LS1/LS6 anymore....LS2, LS7, LS*

Yeah I know - I was thinking more along the lines of how the LS1/LS6 were both 5.7 liter but the LS6 just had better heads/cam, maybe using the 6.0 LS2 and then maybe using better heads/cam for a higher performance model. :shrug:

Originally posted by MapleRed
Think FI

I like this idea better. :cool:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by HOTCIVIC
Yeah I know - I was thinking more along the lines of how the LS1/LS6 were both 5.7 liter but the LS6 just had better heads/cam, maybe using the 6.0 LS2 and then maybe using better heads/cam for a higher performance model. :shrug:



I like this idea better. :cool:

Yeah, me too. If this info is correct, there will be a nice lineup of engines in the 5th gen. :cool:

[Gomez909]

Right now GM has the SS monicker as being the top dog in both options AND engines. Just look at the cars with the SS badge; they have the highest engine output and are fully loaded (Cobalt, Impala, Trailblazer, Silverado and even the rumored new Vette).

I predict it will stay how it was:

RS= base V-6 model
Z28= "detuned" LS2
SS= 400hp LS2

[Doug Harden]

Well...."Right Now" you'd be right....but, "Right Now" you can't buy a Camaro....but the future holds a few changes....

[WCFields]

Well I still don't see any home for the S/C LS2 they were test muleing.....:hmm:

http://my.voyager.net/~wcfields/stssae05_engine.jpg

[WCFields]

Originally posted by SStick Bandit


RS= base V-6 model
Z28= "detuned" LS2
SS= 400hp LS2 I don't see them making a "detuned LS2". That would be stupid to have a 400 HP LS2 and then a detuned one.

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by OrigZ
I've hung out at CZ28.com for years! :drive:......and yes, I've been told point blank that we'll get three engine choices. :cool:

So, i've been there since 2000 also. :shrug: We'll know for sure soon enough then I'll TTT this post.

[Gomez909]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I don't see them making a "detuned LS2". That would be stupid to have a 400 HP LS2 and then a detuned one.

I agree, it won't actually be detuned. It will just be advertised as less horsepower.

[explosionhobbit]

Originally posted by SStick Bandit
Right now GM has the SS monicker as being the top dog in both options AND engines. Just look at the cars with the SS badge; they have the highest engine output and are fully loaded (Cobalt, Impala, Trailblazer, Silverado and even the rumored new Vette).

I predict it will stay how it was:

RS= base V-6 model
Z28= "detuned" LS2
SS= 400hp LS2

there is an ss version of the cobalt that isn't supercharged... and the trailblazer ss can be ordered without many options. i would guess that the concept would have a supercharged ls2... base production 3.9 ~240hp v6... production ss 400hp ls2... production z28 at least 425hp v8. i hope the ss is the top of the line as far as horsepower, but i don't think that's how it will work out. i just want it to come soon. :mad: this is the first time i can say that i will definitely be buying a car before i have even seen it or gotten a confirmation that it will even make it to production. :D

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by SStick Bandit
I agree, it won't actually be detuned. It will just be advertised as less horsepower.

I doubt it. They'll probably offer one LS2 in the Camaro, if they even offer it at all. My guess is a 5.3 w/ DOD will be the base V8. :shrug:

[krispycobalt]

When I was talking to one of the engineers that was on zeta (or whatever zeta became, he wouldnt say) they still are gonna make a new GTO w/ a LS2 and he said that Chevy would be getting their version of it too.

[426HEMI]

I was looking at those :secret: pics and noticed that the tranny housing is pretty far towards the front of the car. Does this mean that people won't have to deal with 1/4 of the engine being under the dash anymore?

[ThumperWS6]

Originally posted by 426Hemi
I was looking at those :secret: pics and noticed that the tranny housing is pretty far towards the front of the car. Does this mean that people won't have to deal with 1/4 of the engine being under the dash anymore?

Good eye man. Roots blower here I come. Gonna make that bitzh humm.

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by w02thumper
Good eye man. Roots blower here I come. Gonna make that bitzh humm.

I've been looking at the damn things allnight. Seems like I see somthing different every time.

[ThumperWS6]

Yea....that car will do that. Things will just pop out at ya.

I wish the pics would have had a different color interior. Cause that red is bright.

[426HEMI]

Originally posted by w02thumper
Yea....that car will do that. Things will just pop out at ya.

I wish the pics would have had a different color interior. Cause that red is bright.

I noticed too, across the interrior pics written in a marker or somthing is the word "preliminary".

[FirehawkNS]

If someone would be so kind, could you send me the pics I missed. Seems all sites are blocking them now. :(

firehawkns@gmail.com

[Pillamyd]

Originally posted by FirehawkNS
If someone would be so kind, could you send me the pics I missed. Seems all sites are blocking them now. :(

firehawkns@gmail.com


:drevil:

[QWIKLS1]

I'd like to see them use the 4.2L Vortec I6 (trailblazer motor) as a base motor if it would fit.

---Just to throw another option in the vat. :drive:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Ole
I'd like to see them use the 4.2L Vortec I6 (trailblazer motor) as a base motor if it would fit.

---Just to throw another option in the vat. :drive:

I don't think it will fit from what I've heard. :shrug:

[Kata Skopos]

base = 3.6l
ss = 6.0
z28 = new gen big block:D

[FirehawkNS]

Originally posted by JasonKK
:drevil:

:woot: :rockon:

[Quadcammer]

a factory FI car would be sweet, but then the gm guys couln't rip on ford for using a blower on the 03 slobra. ;)

my guess

ss=400hp ls2
z28=430hp ls2

[Chevcamaro18]

Were there actual pictures of the interior or just the drawings?

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by Chevcamaro18
Were there actual pictures of the interior or just the drawings?

IMO it looked like a drawing.

[DvBoard]

V6 base with ~250-300hp, M6, or A5.
V8 SS with 400hp includes a handling package, power accessories, M6 or A5.
V8 Z/28 with 455hp but optional handling package, and manual accessories, M6 only.

[BradL]

WHy is everyone saying the Z28 will be the top of the line one and not the SS? Did I miss something?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by TopleSS
WHy is everyone saying the Z28 will be the top of the line one and not the SS? Did I miss something?

Its been rumored by some of the insiders. SS will be the volume performance model while the Z28 will be the "Z06" of Camaro's.

[SphyNxXx]

Guys, dont forget about the new 6 speed auto with paddle shifters that they threw into the C6. The new Camaro might get those as well :cool:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by SphyNxXx
Guys, dont forget about the new 6 speed auto with paddle shifters that they threw into the C6. The new Camaro might get those as well :cool:

Which would be cool. I wouldn't ever consider a four speed auto in the new 'maro. It has to come w/ a 6 speed stick and a 6 speed auto as tranny options. :yup:

[BishopSS]

Originally posted by MapleRed
Which would be cool. I wouldn't ever consider a four speed auto in the new 'maro. It has to come w/ a 6 speed stick and a 6 speed auto as tranny options. :yup:

Would you like a paddle shift option with that?

[DvBoard]

6spd auto would rock as long as the gearing was the same as the manual ones. gas milage would definattly see an upturn in autos :D , if you coudl keep your foot out of it. :p

[94BAMF]

I don't see anyway in hell the base V8 engine in the camaro will be more than 350hp... When you got the mustang across town selling great with 300hp, I don't see GM going with 400hp as the base engine. Lots of people are intimidated by that much power, they start to think the car is dangerous, and more than what they need. People are funny about this kinda shit, thats whats funny because everybody bitches about Ford underpowering the mustang, but they do it on purpose. Plus people think big engines get bad gas mileage(even if its not true). Figure a 4.6L Ford against a 6.0L Chevy.....No way, GM will put a smaller base V8 in there.

I would expect

1. ~250hp base V6 model
2. ~350hp base V8 model
3. 400+ V8 to take on the GT500...

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by 94BAMF
I don't see anyway in hell the base V8 engine in the camaro will be more than 350hp... When you got the mustang across town selling great with 300hp, I don't see GM going with 400hp as the base engine. Lots of people are intimidated by that much power, they start to think the car is dangerous, and more than what they need. People are funny about this kinda shit, thats whats funny because everybody bitches about Ford underpowering the mustang, but they do it on purpose. Plus people think big engines get bad gas mileage(even if its not true). Figure a 4.6L Ford against a 6.0L Chevy.....No way, GM will put a smaller base V8 in there.

I would expect

1. ~250hp base V6 model
2. ~350hp base V8 model
3. 400+ V8 to take on the GT500...

Yeah, I'd bet real money that there will be a base V8 (smaller than 6.0L). But I'd expect two engines above it. ;)

[94BAMF]

Originally posted by MapleRed
Yeah, I'd bet real money that there will be a base V8 (smaller than 6.0L). But I'd expect two engines above it. ;)

I could see that....;)

A supercharged LS2 or a N/A LS7 would really be neat for GT500 competition....:D

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by 94BAMF
I could see that....;)

A supercharged LS2 or a N/A LS7 would really be neat for GT500 competition....:D

Damn straight. :woot:

[1999Z28M6]

I could see a 350 HP LS2 that is the exact same as every other LS2. Just like my 305 HP LS1 that made 303 to the wheels stock. :p

[67Beast]

Originally posted by TopleSS
WHy is everyone saying the Z28 will be the top of the line one and not the SS? Did I miss something?

They've been smoking too much crack that's why. The '67-'69 Z28 had a 302 (underrated) while the SS had a 350 or 396 for '67-'69. Screw that shit if the Z28 is gonna have an LS2 or something similar, then the SS has to have it and something bigger like the LS7 to stay true to its roots also. 7.0 liter in the SS :drool:

[crackerjack]

Gimme the fastest one. :D

[Sir Ringo]

Originally posted by 67Beast
They've been smoking too much crack that's why. The '67-'69 Z28 had a 302 (underrated) while the SS had a 350 or 396 for '67-'69. Screw that shit if the Z28 is gonna have an LS2 or something similar, then the SS has to have it and something bigger like the LS7 to stay true to its roots also. 7.0 liter in the SS :drool:

:think: With the Z-28's being somewhat rare and unseen back in the first gen days, and the fact that those 302s were making 350-400 crank hp...I think it would make perfect sense to have the ultra HO Camaro be labeled Z-28 :yup:

[Scotty]

It would be cool to see the Z28 model return to the highest peg on the post like it used to be for a while with GM.

[jumpcable]

Originally posted by 94BAMF
I don't see anyway in hell the base V8 engine in the camaro will be more than 350hp... When you got the mustang across town selling great with 300hp, I don't see GM going with 400hp as the base engine. Lots of people are intimidated by that much power, they start to think the car is dangerous, and more than what they need. People are funny about this kinda shit, thats whats funny because everybody bitches about Ford underpowering the mustang, but they do it on purpose. Plus people think big engines get bad gas mileage(even if its not true). Figure a 4.6L Ford against a 6.0L Chevy.....No way, GM will put a smaller base V8 in there.

I would expect

1. ~250hp base V6 model
2. ~350hp base V8 model
3. 400+ V8 to take on the GT500...

That is why you offer V6 options...for those that can't handle the real power of a V8. :)

[94BAMF]

Originally posted by jumpcable
That is why you offer V6 options...for those that can't handle the real power of a V8. :)

I still say production car will get less power for base V8 model.

They always put more power in the concepts..

Unless of course Ford increases the power in the mustang GT before 2009 or when ever the camaro hits the streets.

[Carsnob]

I imagine we'll see:

3.9 liter V6 w/ 265-280hp

5.3 liter V8 w/ 325-350hp

6.0 liter V8 w/424-450hp

What I'd love to see is a

6.6 liter destroked high revving LS7 w/480ish hp. for the Z/28

[Fallacy]

Originally posted by Carsnob
I imagine we'll see:

3.9 liter V6 w/ 265-280hp

5.3 liter V8 w/ 325-350hp

6.0 liter V8 w/424-450hp


Interesting. I would Agree with this. Unless GM decides to make the SS similar to the LS1 one and offer some bolt ons for the SS Version.

Will they do something similar like underrate the Ls2 in the 5th gen similar to what they did in the 4th gen to not hurt Vette sales.