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QWIKLS1
11-10-2005, 03:04 PM
GM Stock Slips Further on Restatement News
Thursday November 10, 9:49 am ET
By Dee-Ann Durbin, AP Auto Writer
GM Stock Slips Further After Automaker Says It Will Restate Earnings for 2001

DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors Corp. shares, already at 13-year lows, fell another 5 percent Thursday after the world's largest automaker said it would restate its earnings for 2001 because an accounting error led it to overstate its 2001 profit by up to $400 million.
The announcement in a filing late Wednesday with the Securities and Exchange Commission comes as the company faces a continuing regulatory investigation of its accounting practices. It has reported huge losses for the first nine months of the year, its auto sales are being pressured by competition from foreign manufacturers and it faces rising health benefit and pension obligations.

Also on Wednesday, the credit ratings agency Fitch Ratings lowered GM's debt deeper into "junk" status.

GM shares fell $1.23, or nearly 5 percent, to $23.40 in morning trading Thursday on the New York Stock Exchange after sinking 5 percent on Wednesday to its lowest level since November 1992.

In the filing with the SEC, GM said its 2001 earnings were overstated by approximately $300 million to $400 million, but the final amount hasn't been determined. GM plans to issue the restated earnings for 2001 and any subsequent years before it issues its 2005 annual report next year.

The Detroit-based automaker said it has been conducting an internal review of credits received from suppliers, an issue also being investigated by the SEC. The review indicates GM erroneously booked the supplier credits as income in the year they were received rather than to future periods, GM said.

GM filed its statement Wednesday evening after the markets closed. The audit committee of GM's board warned investors not to rely on GM's financial statements for 2001.

Fitch downgraded GM's issuer default and senior unsecured debt ratings to BB-plus from BBB. The ratings agency said it was concerned about the costs GM might incur as its former parts division, Delphi Corp., restructures in bankruptcy court.

Fitch didn't lower the rating for GM's finance arm, General Motors Acceptance Corp., because GM announced last month it wants to sell a controlling interest in GMAC to a strategic partner. Fitch said it will consider lowering GMAC's rating if GM doesn't make progress on that sale in the first quarter of 2006.

GM has said it could be liable for up to $12 billion for benefits for Delphi employees as part of the supplier's restructuring. Besides that financial burden, Fitch said GM also is at risk if Delphi and its unions fail to agree on wages and benefits.

"A labor disruption at Delphi for any extended period would have an immediate impact on GM's ability to operate and would quickly reduce liquidity," Fitch said.

GM had $19.2 billion in cash as of Sept. 30, Fitch said. The company has $31 billion in outstanding debt.

GM spokeswoman Gina Proia said the company is taking steps to restore profitability, including reaching a tentative agreement with the United Auto Workers to cut health care costs, reducing its structural costs and committing to using 100 percent of its North American plant capacity by 2008.

Last trade $23.47 (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/051110/gm_finances.html?.v=4)

:(

Matt

ULTIMTEORANGESS
11-11-2005, 01:29 AM
are things ever going to get better?



man that really sucks.



i dont want to hear whose fault it is its already been discussed and doesnt matter.what matters is GM getting healthy again and im starting to have my doubts.

QWIKLS1
11-11-2005, 02:02 AM
The big "if" for GM is what they end up doing with their underfunded pension obligation.

If they're like most of the other big companies and are allowed to scoot out of it, then they should survive. :\

ULTIMTEORANGESS
11-11-2005, 02:07 AM
without turning this into a big debate id like to see everyone come out ok keeping their jobs and pensions but unless things turn around quickly that isnt going to happen.



most likely theres going to be layoffs and more jobs will be eliminated or moved out of the country. :(

BrightRedOne
11-11-2005, 03:24 PM
According to CNN/Money it's a 23 year low.

GM tumbles 6% to 23-year low
Struggling automaker's stock sinks after Banc of America analyst warns of increased bankruptcy risk.
November 10, 2005: 2:28 PM EST



DETROIT (Reuters) - Shares of General Motors Corp. tumbled 6 percent Thursday, hitting a 23-year low, after Banc of America Securities warned of an increased risk of bankruptcy at the financially struggling auto giant.

The stock's decline -- which could add to pressure on Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner to launch a more aggressive revival plan for the automaker -- also came after it said late on Wednesday that it had overstated financial results for 2001 by as much as $400 million.

GM said the accounting error stemmed from the way it booked credits from suppliers. The accounting for credits from suppliers was one of the reasons GM was recently targeted for investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission, the company said.

Citing "increasing evidence that hidden liabilities exceed hidden assets" at GM, Banc of America Securities analyst Ron Tadross said he was raising its risk of bankruptcy over the next two years to 40 percent, up from his earlier estimate of a 30 percent bankruptcy risk that he made after former GM parts unit Delphi filed for bankruptcy court protection Oct. 8.

"Existing liquidity may only be enough to get through a bankruptcy reorganization," Tadross said.

Tadross also said that he believed a bankruptcy filing at the world's largest automaker at some point in the future is "inevitable."

GM spokesman Jerry Dubrowski dismissed Tadross' estimate of the company's bankruptcy risk.

"We have no plans to file bankruptcy as we have said often," he told CNN/Money.

In a note to clients, Tadross said he was cutting his target price on GM to $16 from $18.

"We often marveled at the continuous price discussions between the Big 3 and their suppliers, and GM now has said they will restate earnings for such," said Tadross in his note to clients. "It could get worse; especially considering the stress in the supply base and widespread nature of revising contracted prices."

GM (down $1.45 to $23.18, Research) shares were down as much as 7.7 percent in trading on the New York Stock Exchange Thursday after falling to a 13-year low on Wednesday. Shares were off about 6 percent in mid-afternoon trading.

The Detroit-based Old Economy icon has lost about $3 billion this year as it grapples with high health-care and commodities costs, a steady erosion of U.S. market share, and sputtering sales of big sport utility vehicles, its longtime cash cows, due to high gasoline prices.

QWIKLS1
11-11-2005, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by BrightRedOne
According to CNN/Money it's a 23 year low.



That outta teach me to believe the guy on the radio. :)

code41ta
11-11-2005, 06:21 PM
Doh! I wonder who at GM thought gas prices would always stay low. :hmm:

Quadcammer
11-12-2005, 10:15 PM
not only that, but the pbgc may force them to use part of the proceeds of the sale of the controlling interest of GMAC to pay off part of the legacy liabilities.

not to mention that GMAC is their most profitable division.

moody's has GM as like 5 notches below investment grade. That really stings GMAC.

ULTIMTEORANGESS
11-12-2005, 10:38 PM
i read about a possible takeover.


kekorkian(sp) is buying up stocks like crazy and will probably buy more as it continues to drop.

Quadcammer
11-12-2005, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
i read about a possible takeover.


kekorkian(sp) is buying up stocks like crazy and will probably buy more as it continues to drop.

not what i heard.

the man can easily swing GM's share price and if he was buying heavily it would be hitting a support level, not continuing to drop.

From what i've read, he may dump a large part of his stake.

ULTIMTEORANGESS
11-12-2005, 11:26 PM
more on what i said here.just one persons theory i guess. :shrug:


http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/gm-bar111e_20051111.htm

Quadcammer
11-12-2005, 11:30 PM
the big word there was May. the WSJ stated that he also MAY lose his patience with wagoner and dump his shares, which would absolutely destroy the share price.

slowass
11-16-2005, 02:30 AM
some more tankage. $22.61, down almost another 5% this tuesday 11/15.

Checkmate
11-16-2005, 01:31 PM
I honestly don't think GM is bright enough to pull themselves out of this mess.

I don't get why GM wants to sell the only thing that makes them money? (gmac)

It's going to be an ugly and slow death....
Let's start a pool on which day they file for bankruptcy. :rotfl:

mrgto
11-16-2005, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Checkmate
I honestly don't think GM is bright enough to pull themselves out of this mess.

I don't get why GM wants to sell the only thing that makes them money? (gmac)

It's going to be an ugly and slow death....
Let's start a pool on which day they file for bankruptcy. :rotfl:


When they file for bankruptcy, their debt goes away, their UAW contracts are null and void and then they restructre to the point where they can pay their bills again.

slowass
11-16-2005, 09:01 PM
another bloodbath for GM $21.29 -1.32 down 6%.