OnStar diagnostics results e-mailed to you

[code41ta]

http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/ovd/index.jsp?cmp=gmcom_ovddemo

I can see it now:

Dear <GM vehicle> owner:

Your latest round of OnStar enabled diagnostics illustrates you have operated the <GM vehicle> in such a manner <reason(s)> that violates the manufacturers warranty <clause(s) / stipulation(s)>. General Motors is now serving official notice your new vehicle warranty is now null and void.

Thank you for your patronage of General Motors and we hope you buy your next vehicle from us soon.

Sincerely,

General Motors OnStar

[ThumperWS6]

Oh yea. what they put a K&N in...VOID THAT SUCKER

[triggerjerk]

Just don't buy on star when you buy your car. problem solved.

People will find ways of disabling it i'm sure anyways...

OnstarEdit anyone? :lol:

[dave1w41]

Don't activate it. :shrug:

BTW, if you saw how much dirt pours through a K&N and how much oil it spews on a MAF sensor you would void the warranty too.

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by dave1w41

BTW, if you saw how much dirt pours through a K&N and how much oil it spews on a MAF sensor you would void the warranty too.

lies

and don't over oil it

[DrEvyl]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
Just don't buy on star when you buy your car. problem solved.

People will find ways of disabling it i'm sure anyways...

OnstarEdit anyone? :lol:

OnStar is standard equipment on all GM cars now.

[idareu]

Originally posted by DrEvyl
OnStar is standard equipment on all GM cars now.

Sorry but not all gm vehicles have it standard.


BTW I was reading the onstar owners manual today. If you don't start the car for two days the stolen vehicle tracking option is disabled. So if you go away for a week and your car is stolen good luck having ONstar find it!

[Blade]

I would never want that crap on my car.

[GoingtoArgen]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Don't activate it. :shrug:

BTW, if you saw how much dirt pours through a K&N and how much oil it spews on a MAF sensor you would void the warranty too.

:story:

I've had fine silt lining the intake of my truck from driving thru extreme dust conditions.

I will never use a K&N or any other non-paper filter again.

They conveniently never responded to any of my three emails to them about it either.

[dave1w41]

lies

and don't over oil it


Search the web. The dirt pours though an oiled gauze filter.

Even an oiled paper filter can foul a MAF. A gauze filter has about 100 times as much oil on it in a normally oiled state than oiled paper.
The best filter media for protecting the engine and the MAF is a simple un-oiled paper media. When they are clean they flow just fine.

A gauze filter might have an advantage in a situation where dirt isn't really a concern for longevity. - I.E. a pure racing application where you are going to be rebuilding the engine after a given number of hours. They maintain their flow capability longer, those vehicles typically don't have mass airflow sensors etc.
On a street driven vehicle that you plan to own long-term a K&N is not the best filter to choose and you really aren't giving up anything with a clean paper filter.

Read it and weep:
http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htmIn the chart above it’s important to note the different test durations for each filter. The AC Delco filter test ran for 60 minutes before exceeding the restriction limit while the AMSOIL and K&N tests each ran for 20 and 24 minutes respectively before reaching max restriction. In 60 minutes the AC Filter accumulated 574gms of dirt and passed only 0.4gms. After only 24 minutes the K&N had accumulated 221gms of dirt but passed 7.0gms. Compared to the AC, the K&N “plugged up” nearly 3 times faster, passed 18 times more dirt and captured 37% less dirt. See the data tables for a complete summary of these comparisons.

[dave1w41]

OnStar is standard equipment on all GM cars now.

Anyone can request that the free year not be activated when they buy a car. If it isn't activated, the system is just along for the ride.

The sky is not falling.

[Blade]

Where can I get an AC delco filter?

[code41ta]

Originally posted by triggerjerk
Just don't buy on star when you buy your car. problem solved.

People will find ways of disabling it i'm sure anyways...

OnstarEdit anyone? :lol:

OnStar will be standard equipment in all GM vehicles starting with the 2007 model year if I am not mistaken.

At that point your only option may be to disable OnStar.

However at this point there is nothing to stop GM from adding a clause to the new vehicle warranty stating "disabling OnStar can be grounds for nullification of the new vehicle warranty blah blah blah".

OnStarEdit won't do jack. OnStar is simply querying your car's onboard ECU and PCU computers for the data then relaying it back to OnStar.

[code41ta]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Don't activate it. :shrug:

BTW, if you saw how much dirt pours through a K&N and how much oil it spews on a MAF sensor you would void the warranty too.

K&N filters are junk Dave. But that is a different thread for discussion.

[code41ta]

Originally posted by Blade
Where can I get an AC delco filter?

You won't find them at Walmart if that is what you are asking.

The easiest, but not cheapest, place to find AC Delco parts is the dealership parts department.

What I do for AC Delco parts is I found a local wholesaler of the parts who sells to dealership parts depts., local mechanics shops and what not.

You'd be amazed how much cheaper AC Delco parts are when you buy direct from the wholesaler.

[dave1w41]

OnStar will be standard equipment in all GM vehicles starting with the 2007 model year if I am not mistaken.

At that point your only option may be to disable OnStar.

However at this point there is nothing to stop GM from adding a clause to the new vehicle warranty stating "disabling OnStar can be grounds for nullification of the new vehicle warranty blah blah blah".

OnStarEdit won't do jack. OnStar is simply querying your car's onboard ECU and PCU computers for the data then relaying it back to OnStar.


You can elect not to activate it right when you buy the car. GM is not going to void the warranty for not subscribing to Onstar. :boggled: :rolleyes:

[code41ta]

Originally posted by dave1w41
You can elect not to activate it right when you buy the car. GM is not going to void the warranty for not subscribing to Onstar. :boggled: :rolleyes:

Never said it IS GM's intention to void warranties. However the mechanism is now in place IF GM was to ever move in that direction.

However as I will quote myself:

However at this point there is nothing to stop GM from adding a clause to the new vehicle warranty stating "disabling OnStar can be grounds for nullification of the new vehicle warranty blah blah blah".

I was speaking in the hypothetical. Is there infact some legally binding reason why GM will never add such a hypothetical clause to their warranty at some possible future point in time?

The idea itself is not something I pulled out of thin air. Mitsubishi is currently accused of using whatever excuse they can find to void new vehicle warranties. Mitsu would rather piss some people off in the hopes of saving some money by cutting down on warranty repairs.

I never said GM would actually do this but the precedant has now been set by Mitsu. Last time I checked, GM is still losing money and is cost cutting left and right. Voiding vehicle warranties would be yet another option for GM to stanch the flow of red ink.

[dave1w41]

Last time I checked, GM is still losing money and is cost cutting left and right. Voiding vehicle warranties would be yet another option for GM to stanch the flow of red ink.


:lol: yeah that would be logical. Void warranties on people who don't have Onstar subscriptions and guarantee that they never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, buy another vehicle from GM. That would be a way to just about guarantee they go out of business. :lol:

Where in the hell do you guys come up with this stuff?


The idea itself is not something I pulled out of thin air. Mitsubishi is currently accused of using whatever excuse they can find to void new vehicle warranties. Mitsu would rather piss some people off in the hopes of saving some money by cutting down on warranty repairs.


And Mistubishi is by comparison, even to GM, a complete disaster.
What they are doing is undermining their already precarious business model in the United States. I would bet that in 5-7 years, they are no longer selling vehicles here.

Even hypothetically, it is a preposterous notion.

[MACGI 98 Z28]

The idea itself is not something I pulled out of thin air. Mitsubishi is currently accused of using whatever excuse they can find to void new vehicle warranties. Mitsu would rather piss some people off in the hopes of saving some money by cutting down on warranty repairs.

Don't lump Mitsubishi in with car companies like Toyota and Honda just because they are a Japanese company. Mitsu has a legacy of bad/corrupt management, safety recalls that should have but didn't happen, financial trouble and cars that simply ride the quality coattails of other Japanese brands.

[code41ta]

Originally posted by MACGI 98 Z28
Don't lump Mitsubishi in with car companies like Toyota and Honda just because they are a Japanese company. Mitsu has a legacy of bad/corrupt management, safety recalls that should have but didn't happen, financial trouble and cars that simply ride the quality coattails of other Japanese brands.

I never did.

:confused:

[code41ta]

Originally posted by dave1w41
:lol: yeah that would be logical. Void warranties on people who don't have Onstar subscriptions and guarantee that they never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, buy another vehicle from GM. That would be a way to just about guarantee they go out of business. :lol:

Where in the hell do you guys come up with this stuff?

Please re-read what I wrote. I didn't hypothetically concoct some scenario where GM would void your new car warranty for not subscribing (activating) the OnStar service. I think there are several Federal and State laws that make this ILLEGAL.

What I concocted was a hypothetical scenario in which customers who opted into OnStar (i.e. subscribed to activate service) might get their new vehicle warranty voided if the OnStar subscriber disabled OnStar's ability to query the ECU and PCU and report their status back to OnStar (using the OnStar diagnostics function). This would only be an issue, hypothetically speaking, if and only if GM decided to use the data gleaned from OnStar diagnostics to determine if a vehicle was operated in an abusive manner thereby providing GM with the legal grounds to void the customer's warranty. OnStar would just make it easier for GM to void warranties enmassee without having to rely on the dealership network to spot abused vehicles thereby saving on manpower hours thus saving money.


And Mistubishi is by comparison, even to GM, a complete disaster.
What they are doing is undermining their already precarious business model in the United States. I would bet that in 5-7 years, they are no longer selling vehicles here.

Saying GM is doing great by comparing them to Mitsu (which is doing worse) will only get you so far. GM recent employee pricing has increased their market share a few ticks. But this was done at the expense of profit share per vehicle. From where I sit, GM is doing a great job at alienating customers since their competition is gaining market share while not sacrificing profit share to the extent GM has.

Even hypothetically, it is a preposterous notion.

There is a difference in what I was talking about vs. what you came up with. I don't know how you came up with your interpretation.

[DrEvyl]

Originally posted by idareu
Sorry but not all gm vehicles have it standard.

They must have changed their minds, then, because earlier this year they issued a press release that said they were gonna make it standard on on vehicles starting 2006. Someone else is saying 2007... but they did indeed state they were doing this.

[Cobra Commander]

Originally posted by dave1w41
Search the web. The dirt pours though an oiled gauze filter.

Even an oiled paper filter can foul a MAF. A gauze filter has about 100 times as much oil on it in a normally oiled state than oiled paper.
The best filter media for protecting the engine and the MAF is a simple un-oiled paper media. When they are clean they flow just fine.

A gauze filter might have an advantage in a situation where dirt isn't really a concern for longevity. - I.E. a pure racing application where you are going to be rebuilding the engine after a given number of hours. They maintain their flow capability longer, those vehicles typically don't have mass airflow sensors etc.
On a street driven vehicle that you plan to own long-term a K&N is not the best filter to choose and you really aren't giving up anything with a clean paper filter.

Read it and weep:
http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

and look how low the resistance to flow is for the K&N

more total volume=more dirt

[GoingtoArgen]

Originally posted by Cobra Commander
and look how low the resistance to flow is for the K&N

more total volume=more dirt

Problem is, even at low levels of flow, K&N=dirt going right thru it