ARE all Problems corrected, No issues with the company

[eboggs_jkvl]

Well, got up at 6:45AM and got down to NLP in Orlando at 9:00AM for the dyno.

Got it up and strapped it down. Did a small run to get a "drift" as to the A/F at WOT and made the adjustment and then went for a "try"

Coolant went everywhere.

We pressurized the system to 20 psi and could not find the source of the leak. Tested the radiator cap and still had no answer.


Tried it again....


Coolant everywhere.


It appears that there is either a bad head gasket, improperly torqued head bolt(s), or something. This conclusion as given by Mike Norris and Geoff the shop Manager.



As long as I DO NOT HIT boost, the engine runs fine. I drove it for over 1500 miles including my trip to Bowling Green KY without incident but it appears that the passenger head is lifting or the gasket is bad or incorrect.

Also note that during the dyno run, KR never went over 1.0 and the A/F was in the low 10s.

I called the ARE 800# at 11:00AM and asked to be contacted immediately.


I just got home and had a 3PM lunch. I now have a VERY strong Rum & coke next to me and I await the response from ARE. I "hit" the IM for an ARE contact and no response.


It appears that I will need to drop the engine, repair the head problem and while doing that, drill the hole for the dipstick in the LS1 surplus block as that was not included with the engine. ARE has agreed to make a "jig" that can be used to accurately drill the hole in the block for the dipstick problem. They will send the "jig" to me here and I will take it to the shop for the work.

I patiently await an answering response from ARE.

Established contact with MattG this PM and ARE is now aware of the situation. I recommended that they contact NLP to confirm the problem. After the problem is explained I would expect ARE to authorize repair work by some shop that can do the work. Either they pay or a minimum of 50/50 on the cost.

Thursday: No Contact
Friday: No Contact
Saturday: No Contact
Sunday: Contact made through IM



Elmer

[eboggs_jkvl]

At this time, ARE declined any support in the correction of the problem. They are sure that the engine went into "detonation" prior to proper tuning and ruined the headgasket. The cost of the engine repair will be totally on me. As I have no way of proving that detonation DID NOT happen, the repair is out of my pocket (for now).

It was noted that I drove 1500 miles on a turbo car without tuning. Actually, the tuning on the car was actually done for "non-WOT" conditions. The car was set to have the correct injector offset and the LTFTs were set to run -4 at non-wot conditions. Now for all of you NAY sayers out there, It is easy to drive a turbo car for many many thousand miles and NEVER go into boost. It's all a matter of never going WOT in ANY gear. The turbo will NEVER throw boost into the engine unless I DEMAND the boost. I'm sure the experts will say it wasn't tuned. Hell yes it was tuned. It was NOT tuned for boost and WOT. Any ass that says the car should have been WOT tuned with 0 miles on the engine is a friggen complete idiot. SO, this not tuned shit is bull shit and has no application to this situation.

I drove the car and did not hit boost at any time and simply put low load miles on it. I recorded a couple of sessions with EFILive to see how the engine was doing during the trip to Bowling Green and it was running perfectly in the correct LTFT range with a couple of rare KR hits of <.5 during acceleration in the mountains at 74 MPH (quite normal for any M6 car in 6th gear). My files are available for anyone's perusal. I do not care about screen size so I'll show my EFILive run in this reply section. The massive hit of .5 KR during the recording session is clearly shown as the spike on the KR line of data at frame 1587.

http://www.ls2.com/boggs/ls6/efibg.jpg

I will NOT be able to get the engine repaired until I get the "jig" from ARE and I return from my surgery.


Of course the question does come to mind that had I hit boost and caused detonation AND the head gasket had failed because of that, surely the coolant would have been all over my engine and Hood blanket when I got to Bowling Green. However, this was not the case as the hood blanket is pristene and the engine was spotless and looked pretty good on display at Bowling Green. Well, maybe the boost/failure of head gasket happened on the way home. Well, my engine blanket is still perfect and clear of any coolant and the engine was still sparkling when the dyno began. The loss of coolant seems to only have occured on the dyno when the engine was actually put into boost. The engine blanket is still clean as the hood was up and not sprayed by the coolant. So, bottom line, the coolant loss and head gasket failure only happened when the engine was being dynoed. Well, surely, it was the tuners fault! Actually, the tuner placed the engine under light boost load to read the A/f. The A/F was adjusted and it showed low 10s on A/F and KR of <1 was recorded on all dyno runs BUT coolant was being thrown out from under the head.

So, when did this gasket fail? During my non-boost run to Bowling Green? During my non boost run from Bowling Green? After the low boost level to confirm the A/F? Damn, it sure seems like the gasket or head lifted on the dyno but everything possible was done to insure that the correct A/F was being used to "save" the engine.

Until I can repair this engine, no dyno results are available. The original engine that is going into my son's car made more power than this engine.


So, let's sum up this short block engine from ARE. The agreed plan by Nick was for him to supply me with a engine (There would be parts missing as he was using parts he had sitting around the shop.). I would pay for the installation, provide the few missing parts, and provide a "sign" at all of the shows I attend touting the ARE engine and the torque/RWHP to promote ARE's engines. I opened up conversation about this with Nick and told him I had $3,000 to spend on the project. My money would go to NLP or Him or any combination of the same to get the project engine in my car. I asked him to discuss it with NLP to decide on the division of the money. He chose NOT to discuss it with Mike ( I concluded he chose full sponsorship of the engine) and thus most of my money went to NLP for the installation and the chevy dealer for the purchase of my parts to complete the partial engine I received from ARE. Nick eventually got $1,000 for the old engine (which was a COMPLETE engine, not needing $3,000 worth of parts to make it actually RUN)

This is my initial contact about the project.





Quote / Information Requested:

I want to increase my FI boost to 10 PSI. I need a few parts changed to allow that to happen. I will be working with Norris Motorsports to get a new set of turbos for the car. I figure on that hitting me a couple of thousand dollars right there. What kind of a deal can we work out? Can you fully or partially "sponsor" my car? I get a lot of "Press" on the car, been in magazines and go to at least 4 or 5 Regional "F-Body shows" a year. This year I’ve attended Orlando in February, plan on Atlanta in May, Titusville in June, Bowling Green in September, plus most ALL off Saturdays here at 300 car cruise-ins in Jacksonville. The fact that I am one of the owners on LS2.COM should get you additional notoriety as I'll include your company name in my SIG. I need to be able to run on 93 octane pump gas. I’m looking for a comfortable 600+ RWHP if I can get it without major strain on the engine. I DO NOT drag race the car so it will be a dyno queen. Get the dyno numbers and then advertise the hell out of your engine and my car. I drive it to ALL of the shows as a “Daily Driver” and I’ve yet to not get at least a Platinum Award at the World Wide Camaro judging. My lowest score is 986 out of a 1,000. Think on it. If you like the idea, get back to me and we’ll see what we can do. If this is totally off base, I don’t have a problem with getting told to buzz off! Elmer



Agostino Racing 347ci Forced Induction Short block

-------------------------------------------------

3.905" Bore x 3.622" Stroke NC
Refinished & Magnafluxed 3.622” Factory GM LS6 Crankshaft with Radiused Oil Holes
Custom Machined Factory GM LS1 Block
9.4:1 Compression Ratio
CompStar 6.125" Forged Connecting Rods with ARP Bolts
Diamond Forged Pistons ( -8.66cc,1.314 Compression Height)
Diamond File Fit Ring Set
Federal Mogul Race Bearings
ARE Modified Oil Pump
204/218 @ 0.050 Duration, 0.551"/0.547" Lift, 117 LSA Camshaft
LS6 Timing Chain
Engine Internally Balanced and Blueprinted


Agostino Racing Stage 2 LQ9 Casting Forced Induction Cylinder Heads

Fully CNC Ported & Polished Intake and Exhaust Ports
69cc Combustion Chamber
2.02 Intake and 1.57 Exhaust Valves
Comp Cams 918 Valve springs
LS6 Locks and Retainers
ARP Head Bolts
Comp Cams Molybdenum Pushrods Supplied by Eboggs
LS6 Hydraulic Roller Lifters
Harland Sharp 1.7 Roller Rocker Arms Supplied by EBoggs

I'm guessing that the entire project from ARE can be written off as business expense for "advertising".

Portion of new parts supplied by EBoggs.

Front engine cover
Rear engine cover
LS6 Valley cover
LS6 Windage tray
Oil Pan
Alternator
Starter
Water pump
Belt tensioner & new belt
All sensors
Fasteners
Water hoses and radiator hoses
Valve covers & gaskets
Coil rails
new coils (8)
Wiring harness for injectors
60 Pound injectors
plugs & wires
BMR K-member
12 PSI actuators for turbos
AC compressor (Mine was bad & Florida requires AC! :D )
Alignment and AC charge
R&R Engine
LS1 Edit and Tune (pending)
2 new O2 sensors
rear main seal
Rear cover gasket
Boost-a-pump
various gaskets and seals
Antifreeze
Purge valve.
Front sway bar link
Hardened COMP pushrods
Harlan Rockers
ARP Head Stud kit $400
Front End Alignment $180
LoKar Dipstick $65
Replacement Head Gaskets $188
Replacement Alignment $80
Dip Stick Hole Drilling $Paid
R/R Engine & Repair $Paid
Shipping of engine to Orlando

Total amount invested by Eboggs $8,800 (I know this is "iffy" but I have receipts to back up the amount) :D:D I don't see where that classifies as a "free engine". It actually looks like I've spent as much or more money than my "Partner" in this project. So DaveD and his claims of my "Free Engine" can just KMA. I can hear him now starting his littany of why he is not to be blamed for this engine problem. Don't worry Dave, I won't ask for your involvement any further. Actually, I believe he was GONE from ARE at the time my heads were installed.

Actually, ARE did supply the heart of the project. It's now a matter of something went wrong and I'm trying to establish the reason for the coolant discharge.


Head Gaskets on order for $84 a piece through Victory Racing Engines.

I'm guessing another $1,500+ for this work.

Elmer

[eboggs_jkvl]

The gaskets from Victory racing Engines arrived at 4:26P today.

Jig arrived on 10/21/05


The plan for the jig is to drop the engine, remove the oil pan. mount the jig to the bottom of the engine using an oil pan screw, and then drilling the 9.7mm hole in the boss of the block. Reassembly of oil pan and the dipstick hole is done. I'm sure there are people out there that think the jig can be done with the engine in the car but they are not thinking clearly and should refrain from their thoughts of removing fenders or other simplistic shit like that to get this job done.

Surgery went well. This would sure be a good to to have my car being worked on as I can't drive the damn thing right now because of surgical recovery.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Current ARE Dyno Results.

None at this time due to engine failure.

Results are pending diagnosis and repair of engine problem.


At this time, depending on the results of Dave, I am not requesting or expecting any compensation or assistance from ARE other than the jig.

I will complete my end of the verbal agreement and tout the engine and the numbers achieved.

[eboggs_jkvl]

FYI...


Dave (drptopz) is the mechanic repairing my engine. He owns DynoTune Performance here in Jacksonville.

He will take the engine apart and post his findings in this thread.


He is charged with:

R/R Engine R/R Done 11/10

Measuring and calculating CR of engine. Done

Torque measurements on every ARP head nut. Done

Condition of pistons, valves & plugs. Done: All good, no problems

Finding out the cause of the head gasket failure (if he can). Done: Head not torqued to specs.

Heads resurfaced and back at shop Done: 11/4

Reinstall Heads Replacing both head gaskets. Done 11/8

Drilling the missing dip stick hole. Done 11/7


TIG welding around turbo oil return fitting in oil pan to stop leak. (Not ARE related) Done 11/4


Dave has the car as of 10/22/05 for repair work. Looking to get the car back around the 8th of November.


Elmer

[drptopz]

When we got the car on the lift, we noticed some coolant running down the driver side block, down the rear of the head / tranny bellhousing.
Once the engine was removed, coolant was seen seeping around two of the outer left head bolts.
http://www.dynotuneperformance.com/boggs/HPIM0649.JPG

When the head bolts were removed, max torque to break loose the head bolts was measured.
Although this will not give you an accurate value of initial torque, it will give you a good idea of how tight the bolts were.
See the diagram below for the max torque required to break the head bolts loose.

http://www.dynotuneperformance.com/boggspics/bolts.JPG

As you can see, it seems as though the left head was not torqued to spec.
The gasket shows evidence of this as well.
The following picture shows the difference between the two head gaskets, one being compressed, and the other still looks new.

http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/HPIM0657.JPG
http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/HPIM0658.JPG

The pistons on the left side of the engine have clean spots, which also indicates coolant intrussion.

http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/HPIM0665.JPG
http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/HPIM0667.JPG


One thing we are not sure of is the rtv/silicone under the rocker arm pedestal... but only on the intake rockers....

http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/HPIM0663.JPG

We will be checking the compression ratio of the engine tomorrow.

All of the pictures taken today can be seen at:

DynoTune Performance - E-Boggs Pics (http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/)

[drptopz]

UPDATE -

We cc'd the head and cyl, and without knowing the compressed thickness of the gasket (unknown brand or part number), we cannot tell compression ratio.

With the cometic gasket C5475-051 that we are using, the compression ratio will be 8.72:1

See the numbers below:

http://www.dynotune.com/boggspics/E_COMPRESS.JPG

[eboggs_jkvl]

Phone Conversation with Nick Agostino today.

ARE will take care of costs incurred to repair engine.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Well, I can assume that the costs will now be incurred by me. Due to the complete blowup in this forum, I can no longer condone the actions of ARE as a sponsor.

After discussion with the other owners of the site, status has changed and I will now be responsible for the head that was not torqued down on the new engine.

[eboggs_jkvl]

I'm going to bed now. I've had quite enough for the evening.

I am not accepting phone calls.

I am not accepting PMs

I am ignoring e-mails.

Elmer

[Warbird]

Elmer,

I'm sorry to hear this. Your post is well done in an diary format. Sadly this keeps happening and happening over and over again. I was made aware by ARE of your problems during a conversation with PeteK and MattG long before there was any discussion of restitution (given your timelines) and was told point blank that there was intention of paying for any of this. Somewhat 20/20 hindsight on my part however I never knew the dates previously.

Thank you for sharing and allowing the truth to emerge.

I wish you the best of luck in all of this and hope you get her fixed.

[DR.ZED]

Holy sh!t man.

... this reads like Warbird's diary format.

When will the car be ready for you to drive?

[romanss]

I am sorry to hear about your engine Elmer.

Good luck.

Roman

[CHRISPY]

Sorry to see this Elmer :(

[C Man]

Sorry to hear that Elmer... hopefully everything other than the heads are ok.


How the heck does one manage to make a "mistake" with a whole side of bolts... I'd understand one not torqued down enough.... but the whole side.... does this ever happen?

[bandit1]

Holy crap! I'm sorry Elmer..... did I miss read your post last night or was ARE going to make good on their errors? I was tired when I replied to your posts last night, but I thought it was all good :(


Sorry again Elmer.......

Mike

[BAD35thSS]

Well, I guess I could join the queue and say I'm sorry too, I don't like to see anyone have issues with their car or not get satisfaction.

I think the shop that did your motor should fix this, and for future work a quality control sheet should be included for the assembler to write down the torque settings used when assembling the critical components of the motor. Having a sheet like this with some checkboxes to check off as each step of the build occurs might help QC the engine building process: (Dipstick hole drilled []...check !!).

When reputations are at stake some shops get it and some don't, and the internet is a place where your reputation spreads fast, the same can be said for our TFBM Club, with over 100 members how shops treat individuals spreads quickly...


Now onto the real issue I want to talk about here:

Is it just me, or does anyone else see the irony of this thread being posted here???

Why is YOUR post now so important enough to be stuck to the top of our forum ? This from the same person who muzzled all discussion and threads from others re this shop, warned people repeatedly about what they had to say in their posts, banned and stunned at will all who dared speak too loudly, yet when it is important to him it gets posted to the top for all of us to read?? Why doesn't it rise or fall and stay or not stay based upon its own merits, like any other post here ?

Granted I see you have posted this in a fair and factual manner, but I just can't help thinking there has been too much previous quashing of others opinions in this GLF area due to the heavy handed and overbearing moderation that has been going on Elmer, for us to now afford you the impartial courtesy lacked towards others when they were posting...you have (had) mods why weren't they allowed to do their jobs?

The GLF when it originated on LS1, was said to be 'more fun than a barrel of monkeys', then we became the place for thread hi-jackers, and now it seems no thread or mind can be spoken without it being hi-jacked here by the admins. Dr. Evyl appreciate your efforts but too late for me. Somehow along the way this place lost its sense of fun and community...

Yes, this is your 'house' and if we don't like it we can go elsewhere and pound salt, that has been made clear before.

Well, I may be small but I am taking my post count elsewhere, thank you very much, I will be joining my wife Spunone on other boards, you won't have to autoforward my login to redirect me to another board like you did to her. Fact is we were probably one of the few total car families you had here online, since my Son is also here, but not being able to be together online drops a lot of the fun factor, but you wouldn't have noticed that since you were too busy banning her for speaking her mind on another Forum not even related to LS2...hows that for ultimate in modding/ censorship?! As for my son, he has his own login and own car, so he can be like the rest of the people here and make up his own mind about whether he continues to stay here to post or not...

For any friends or aquaintances who want to catch up with me online I will be over on the TFBM forum or the other LSx board (name not mentioned due to fear of censorship)...

BAD35thSS....outta here !! :drive: :cool:

[eboggs_jkvl]

BAD35thSS


Good bye.


BTW, on 2nd thought, fuck your attitude!

I asked that problems be presented in a factual and logical manner. As long as it was, the threads remained opened. When you and your hotheaded friends decided to enter and shoot your mouths off, then and ONLY then were the threads moderated. If you don't see or realize this then you truly belong somewhere else.

My thread is in top because it was being used to log information and I didn't feel like chasing it down to add or update information.


My thread is on top now BECAUSE I WANT IT THERE.


So, you want to be ballsy and fire a shot at me, I hope you took your best lick, it's the only one you get.


E:)

[nosguy]

Sounds like things will work out Elmer, its unfortunate that things have to come to all this.

Good luck with everything.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Results are pending diagnosis and repair of engine problem.


At this time, depending on the results of Dave, I am not requesting or expecting any compensation or assistance from ARE other than the jig.

I will complete my end of the verbal agreement and tout the engine and the numbers achieved.


As I said, I will complete my agreement with ARE and run the SIG as promised for the engine and I will create a sign that will be displayed next to the car at the shows I attend. I gave my word to do that and I will.

The action that came about last night was to stop the shop wars in this forum. I'm simply tired or trying to separate the warring factions in Toronto.

If the money for the correction of the engine assembly error does come from ARE, that would be fine and greatly appreciated.


As I mentioned elsewhere:

I'm not doing PMs.
I'm not taking phone calls.
I'm ignoring e-mails.

Elmer

[Eugenio_SS]

sorry to hear that Elmer.
I hope you get her fixed asap, and get to enjoy her.
Honestly, I wouln't put my hopes too high on getting the $ from ARE, but that's my opinion based on my experience.
Good luck.

[Hooper]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
....The action that came about last night was to stop the shop wars in this forum. I'm simply tired or trying to separate the warring factions in Toronto.Elmer what has the shop wars (a term I have trouble with) got to do with your engine trouble and ARE's response to it? Not trying to agitate, just trying to understand your comment.

I hope you can get your engine up and running soon without too much more cash loss. And I hope you're feeling better after your surgery. :)

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Hooper
Elmer what has the shop wars (a term I have trouble with) got to do with your engine trouble and ARE's response to it? Not trying to agitate, just trying to understand your comment.

I hope you can get your engine up and running soon without too much more cash loss. And I hope you're feeling better after your surgery. :)


Staying directly on thread topic, I have no problems with ARE and their ultimate response to the engine situation. If they follow through and pay for the repair work that the loose head has caused, I do NOT have a beef with ARE. IF they choose not to follow through, then there is an issue to complain about. The initial response placing ALL blame on me for running a "Non-tuned" car and detonating the engine causing the head gasket to fail was rude and totally uncalled for. We were supposed to be in partnership on this darn thing. Also, if I were ARE and I had the situation to confront, I would have had the engine broken down to CONCLUDE the problem and THEN make the decision. Tagging me with the "fault" when not knowing the facts was rude, wrong and very unprofessional.


The shop wars that caused me to remove a sponsor is the OTHER issue. More problems being reported, the daily "Public defense" of multiple issues and problems. The "sides" being taken and lines drawn of this shop is better than that shop and the members in here constantly bickering and fighting. Threads starting up explaining issues that are left open only to have to be closed due the roar of the sidelines making comments and snide remarks that HAD NOTHING TO DO with the issue at hand. That was the shop wars that we refused to perpetuate. If neither is a sponsor, neither is protected out of propriety by the ls2.com staff. IF people want to fight and argue, they will be doing so against forum rules and will be dealt with. There are 3 people right now that chose to snub this site and accuse me or the staff of being dishonest in the way we deal with members and sponsors. I eliminated that conflict last night.

As of last night (actually yesterday afternoon) resolution was made on the engine situation that I have. I would hope that ARE will follow through and cover the extra expenses to fix the problem but that is up to them.

I plan on creating the sign for advertising the engine at the shows I attend around the country as I promised. I already have the ARE LS6 SIG running on the board as promised. The ball is in ARE's court.

This thread was opened up as I have tentatively gotten resolution to the problem and I promised that I would publicly show the issues I had and how they were dealt with by the engine supplier.

[C Man]

i'm still just wondering how someone can miss the correct torque specs on every single bolt on one head... but not on the other???

[Breed]

Not sure why you can't understand it was probably missed ? Call ARE and ask the guy what happened

[Z07]

Originally posted by Breed
Not sure why you can't understand it was probably missed ? Call ARE and ask the guy what happened
He doesn't work at ARE anymore. He's been gone for a while now.

[nosguy]

Originally posted by Z07
He doesn't work at ARE anymore. He's been gone for a while now.

Jim I'm not trying to start anything but, I think you have some wrong info, I am pretty sure the person that torqued the heads on still works at ARE.

[eboggs_jkvl]

PLEASE!!! PMs or e-mail.


This is not the "turf" to talk about engine builders and responsibilities.


Thanks a ton.


Elmer

[nosguy]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
PLEASE!!! PMs or e-mail.


This is not the "turf" to talk about engine builders and responsibilities.


Thanks a ton.


Elmer

No problem Elmer.

[Pete K]

Originally posted by Breed
Not sure why you can't understand it was probably missed ? Call ARE and ask the guy what happened

Hey Dave Diluca...aka Sled28...aka Breed.

I thought you were banned from LS2?? Guess not.

As for the heads, you were the one who torqued them down (or lack of) so stop deflecting the blame.

[eboggs_jkvl]

2 threads bans in the last 30 seconds

[Brett H]

Originally posted by Pete K
Hey Dave Diluca...aka Sled28...aka Breed.

I thought you were banned from LS2?? Guess not.

As for the heads, you were the one who torqued them down (or lack of) so stop deflecting the blame.

So are you saying the heads were not torqued to speck and Dave did it or that Dave torqued them and they were done properly?? It seems to me as though you have admitted the head was not fastened properly and irregardless of who did it does ARE now not have an obligation to Elmer to have this fixed??


Edit: Elmer I'm sorry if this is outside the scope of your thread, you can delete my post if you chose but I am mearly trying to clearly understand the post Pete made.

[SLED28]

Originally posted by Pete K
Hey Dave Diluca...aka Sled28...aka Breed.

I thought you were banned from LS2?? Guess not.

As for the heads, you were the one who torqued them down (or lack of) so stop deflecting the blame.

Can somebody tell me when Elmer got the motor down in FL?

[Croaker]

Originally posted by SLED28
Can somebody tell me when Elmer got the motor down in FL?

Mid-August.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by SLED28
Can somebody tell me when Elmer got the motor down in FL?


There is a thread the tracks the engine development from start to finish or at least to Orlando and the first installation.

[SLED28]

I would like to state a few things here to clear my name.

I had a phone conversation with PeteK on Friday Nov 4th after reading his above post and apparantly I put the heads on and even packed it in the crate too now!

100% FALSE

I had officially quit ARE on Aug 26.

Elmer was told by Matt that Matt himself packed the crate himself on Sept 5th! http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4427340#post4427340

Matt responded later on, on Sept 5th:
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4430185#post4430185

The previous 2 weeks I had only worked a hand full of days because I had not got paid since July 18th

That is why I was on the computer alot from home.

At 6 weeks not getting paid I quit on that Aug 26 Date.

I had not gotten my full pay amount untill the second week into September.

Yes that was a 8 week period.

This is the reason why I was out of control with everyone at that period in time and got banned. Especially when Nick told me Elmer is getting a basically free motor. (And I'm not getting paid).

And I am sorry for that and apologize to Elmer and everyone I offended.

My mortgage company, and utility companies don't care if I get paid or not, they want their money at the due date.

My wife had to work overtime during the week and Sat/Sundays to make ends meat for months. (this is what probably stressed me out the most, seeing her kill herself thanks to me)

I was taking pics of Elmers motor as the motor progressed.

The last pic I took was July 5th. http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4179360#post4179360

Only the shortblock was done.

I had never touched the motor again, because I was waiting for parts and then I had a childish dispute with Elmer in mid August.

First pics I took we're on June 20th, but Elmer did not post untill June 28th.
http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4128880#post4128880

So I hope this clears up a few more things and I have to say my work speaks for itself. I have done very good for 525+ motors!

I am done with getting into multiple post after posts with Autoworx employees.

And to top it off, I understand PeteK from Autoworx has called the police on me Nov 4th.

I talked to the owner of Autoworx on phone call Nov 4 and explained to him what was going on about everything. He was disturbed to hear what I had told him. Great guy ben is. He will be looking into it and we will talk again next week.

[396LT4]

Originally posted by SLED28
I
And to top it off, I understand PeteK from Autoworx has called the police on me Nov 4th.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

so what are they alleging that you have done?

[SLED28]

No Idea.

[eboggs_jkvl]

No :hijack: ing allowed in this thread.

[Rampant]

Dave just a question about your above time line?

The post you linked too is August 4, 2005 I believe that that is 3 weeks before you quit.

In fact I was there that day, since I had taken the day off, plus I took the photos of the crate.

You may want to delete that link it is incriminating, in that you said you were working full time up till August 12, 2005 that is 2 weeks prior to you quitting August 26, 2005.

Elmers motor left the week before that August 4, 2005.

Maybe it was the strees you were under. You should also note that when I mentioned your online behaviour was unacceptable, while it was agreed that it was not acceptable, they were concerned for your health and that you really were a decent guy. BTW That came from the person you think back stabs you.



Rampant

[SLED28]

I was there that day working on my own car to get it out of there. I went there a handfull of times to work on my own personal car after I left.

I beleive the timelines are all right??

WHat is wrong with people!

[eboggs_jkvl]

FYI

This thread will be released from being stuck to the top of the forum when the final disposition on this issue is "called".

I either get reimbursed for the repair or I don't. When it is "final", this thread is a normal thread in the forum.

Right now, I'm still waiting on the garage to reassemble the car so I can drive it.

As this is MY DAILY DRIVER, being without the car is a ROYAL PITA!

Elmer

[DR.ZED]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
FYI

This thread will be released from being stuck to the top of the forum when the final disposition on this issue is "called".

I either get reimbursed for the repair or I don't. When it is "final", this thread is a normal thread in the forum.

Right now, I'm still waiting on the garage to reassemble the car so I can drive it.

As this is MY DAILY DRIVER, being without the car is a ROYAL PITA!

Elmer

A TT modded Z28 as a daily... now that takes balls! :)

You MUST life in FL.

I often wondered what it would be like to live in a climate (such as NC) where I could drive my Zed all year around. I wonder if I would get used to it, and take it for granted.....

You can borrow my 93 Altima for a daily if you want. :) It has satellite radio and a GPS navigation...

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by DR.ZED
A TT modded Z28 as a daily... now that takes balls! :)



You can borrow my 93 Altima for a daily if you want. :) It has satellite radio and a GPS navigation...


It's really and truely a grocery getter. The car is on the streets most every day. Best part is when I do the annoucing at the high school soccer games and I idle through the stadium to the reserved parking. There is a lot of drool out then when the boys are playing.

Turbos don't enter into the equation on the roads unless I want them to. The car is a "stock" engine unless boost is asked for.


As far as the Altima, truely a generous offer but I'll respectfully decline.

Elmer

[eboggs_jkvl]

Dave just flashed this in front of my eyes...


http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/misc_images/hurricane-1.html


What'd think to that on the engine?


I didn't have the cajones to ask the price!


DAMN!


Elmer

[denttech]

That is a nice looking piece...sweet!

[gettinthere]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Dave just flashed this in front of my eyes...


http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/misc_images/hurricane-1.html


What'd think to that on the engine?


I didn't have the cajones to ask the price!


DAMN!


Elmer

If that's the same intake I'm thinking of, it's $3600.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by gettinthere
If that's the same intake I'm thinking of, it's $3600.

Cardiac arrest on aisle 3, cardiac arrest on aisle 3. Code blue, repeat, code blue.

[SLED28]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Dave just flashed this in front of my eyes...
DAMN!


Elmer

:hijack: :hijack: :hijack: :wave2:

[LTLHOMER]

That intake looks badass, but what's with the five dollar fuel line connecting the two rails? LOL! Just looks WAY outta place.

[Warbird]

Great intake, would looks reaaly awesome on a car :D I agree, the fuel line looks cheap however, a couple of bucks and some nice braided hosing with anodized fittings would cure that :D

[YBNORMEL]

Is that an Australian made piece?

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by YBNORMEL
Is that an Australian made piece?


the link has "AU" in it and that means Australia. I didn't find the "home" site where the price would be listed.

[drptopz]

Yes, it's made by Harrop in Melbourne. I came across this intake the other day, and instantly thought of Elmer. This way each turbo would have it's very own intake plenum :)

They make some very nice supercharger setups for the LS1's as well.

-Dave
DynoTune Performance, Inc

[eboggs_jkvl]

Engine work complete by my mechanic. The mechanic then contacted Nick via Nick's Cell Phone number this afternoon for CC number to pay the bill. Direct contact was not made and a message was left for Nick.


Nope, I won't say anything more than that so you shouldn't either.:nono: :nuhuh: :no:

[Warbird]

Who contacted who? Not very clear in your note

[eboggs_jkvl]

That any better?

[eboggs_jkvl]

As I said, I plan to fulfill the verbal agreement I made to run the SIG, and make the sign giving the engine details and Dyno Numbers and to display the sign at the shows I attend. I had a tempy sign made up for Bowling Green as the engine had not been dynoed for numbers.

[gettinthere]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Cardiac arrest on aisle 3, cardiac arrest on aisle 3. Code blue, repeat, code blue.

We need a crash cart!!!!

CLEAR!

*zap*

Dammit, I'm not gonna lose this one.............

[Warbird]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
That any better?

Crystal clear now thanks :D

One ringy dingy :rolleyes:

[eboggs_jkvl]

Ok, car is running and it needs to be adjusted for A/F. It seems a sealed head is more efficient and the A/F has gone lean. I'm taking my laptop with my LS1Edit on it to the shop. Dave will adjust for proper A/F. Geeze, when does this shit stop.


AFAIK there is still no response from ARE ICW payment. I'll confirm that around noon when I pick up the car.


E:)

[eboggs_jkvl]

Still no response from ARE.


I have the car back now and it seems to be running just fine. I looked at the left gasket and there was absolutely NO CLAMPING force put to it on any section of the gasket. It simply looked new.

Ok, enough of that. Nick, here's the damage.

Were you to do as you stated and pay for the repair, your bill is:

$1,453.76

I'll take PayPal or check, your choice. I paid the mechanic so as not to interfere with his cash flow waiting on you to get back to him.


Elmer

[Boost Master]

Get in line. Nick still owes my best friend Edmond $15,000 for a 441 motor that was sold to the middle east over two years ago. For everyones information this was before Wade had taken over the company. When Nick took the company back I confronted him about the money owed he said don't worry I will take care of Edmond he will not get screwed. It's been over a year with no contact. Nick has our phone number. If he wants to make good on this promise he can make installments ie. post dated checks with no interest to: Edmond Lem.
:mad:

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Boost Master
Get in line. Nick still owes my best friend Edmond $15,000 for a 441 motor that was sold to the middle east over two years ago. For everyones information this was before Wade had taken over the company. When Nick took the company back I confronted him about the money owed he said don't worry I will take care of Edmond he will not get screwed. It's been over a year with no contact. Nick has our phone number. If he wants to make good on this promise he can make installments ie. post dated checks with no interest to: Edmond Lem.
:mad:


Getting to be quite a long line isn't it?

Well, I'm patient and have my own opinion now.

Don't lose your temper, it causes ulcers and acid reflux! :D:D

Elmer

[Boost Master]

Thanks,
Good luck to you also.:)

[Force]

So E, if you don't receive the money for the fix are you still going to keep your promise to advertise your engine from ARE? It's a tough decision because it does reflect on you and your word. I'm just curious and not trying to start anything.

[Boost Master]

Everything was brand new never fired. Edmond lost interest in project after I sold my 90 vette with the 427. Edmond and I have had a friendly competition for over 10 years. He told ARE that he wanted to sell the motor. ARE offered him $15,000 CDN he said ok. ARE sold the short and heads for over $15,000 USD. and the Hogan intake went missing. If anyone knows of a Hogan sheet metal intake for Chev Tune port injection set-up let me no. Discription oval throttle bodie, flat top with V shaped plenum,and two red anodized nos blow off valves on top.:mad:

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Force
So E, if you don't receive the money for the fix are you still going to keep your promise to advertise your engine from ARE? It's a tough decision because it does reflect on you and your word. I'm just curious and not trying to start anything.


He's only been notified (or attempted) since Thursday. He may be busy or unavailable to communicate. I'll let this float for a week before I re-evaluate my position. As I said, the problem was corrected and if I get reimbursed, I don't have a beef with ARE.

The sponsor position on this site is another matter. The forum has been rather quiet lately and the moderators are calming down. We don't miss the "finger pointing arguements" at all.


E:)

[Brett H]

E, if Nick doesn't make good on his word to pay for the repair(though for your sake I hope he does) I think there is a way for you to honour your end of the deal and feel good about it. Nick asked you to create a sign advertising the motor as that being from ARE and what it layed down on a dyno. Well do it but explain in the description that the original motor delivered to by ARE had the problems it did and that there was no restitution made for their incompetence....errrr......mistake.:D

Just my .02 for the day

[rock1501]

Originally posted by Brett H
E, if Nick doesn't make good on his word to pay for the repair(though for your sake I hope he does) I think there is a way for you to honour your end of the deal and feel good about it. Nick asked you to create a sign advertising the motor as that being from ARE and what it layed down on a dyno. Well do it but explain in the description that the original motor delivered to by ARE had the problems it did and that there was no restitution made for their incompetence....errrr......mistake.:D

Just my .02 for the day
Ur evil Brett

[eboggs_jkvl]

ARE?

Got an update to this situation yet? Yes or No on the check for the repair?


E:)

[Brett H]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
ARE?

Got an update to this situation yet? Yes or No on the check for the repair?


E:)


I'm sure ARE will not doubt there was a repair made so I don't think they will need to check but just so there is no confusion perhaps you can let them know who to make the cheque out to.:D

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Brett H
I'm sure ARE will not doubt there was a repair made so I don't think they will need to check but just so there is no confusion perhaps you can let them know who to make the cheque out to.:D No doubt they get the thrust of what Elmer's asking for.;)

[eboggs_jkvl]

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[396LT4]

They charged you $10.16 per quart of Mobil 1 10W30?:confused:

[Marvin]

Originally posted by 396LT4
They charged you $10.16 per quart of Mobil 1 10W30?:confused:

When I took my 01 to Leggat (the time it wasn't stolen while in for service) it cost me $101.xx to get a Mobile 1 oil change. :confused:

[Brett H]

Originally posted by Marvin
When I took my 01 to Leggat (the time it wasn't stolen while in for service) it cost me $101.xx to get a Mobile 1 oil change. :confused:


Thats why I do all my oil changes at Rotan - The do it yourself garage, Kew Drive Windsor.

:D

[romanss]

Originally posted by Brett H
Thats why I do all my oil changes at Rotan - The do it yourself garage, Kew Drive Windsor.

:D

Thats sounds like my line.LOL

Roman

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Marvin
When I took my 01 to Leggat (the time it wasn't stolen while in for service) it cost me $101.xx to get a Mobile 1 oil change. :confused: You should have done it yourself and saved over $50.

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Hooper
You should have done it yourself and saved over $50.

I never do my own oil changes. I usually just buy everything and then take it over to my buddy's garage and it only costs $12.00 but I was in a jam and leaving for vacation the next morning and needed an oil change as I was going to be driving 5,000km on my trip so I bent over at the dealer :D

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Marvin
I never do my own oil changes. I usually just buy everything and then take it over to my buddy's garage and it only costs $12.00 but I was in a jam and leaving for vacation the next morning and needed an oil change as I was going to be driving 5,000km on my trip so I bent over at the dealer :D Why not, Jim? It's perhaps the easiest thing you can do to your car. Even Patman does it. ;) You'll save loads and also have the pleasure of doing it right. :)

[Andre]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
ARE?

Got an update to this situation yet? Yes or No on the check for the repair?


E:)

Any news Elmer... have you been able to dyno the car yet... what kind of numbers did she put down?

[eboggs_jkvl]

Patience, patience.

I just got the car fixed. I have an appointment on Thursday morning to get the front end aligned (AGAIN). This is getting to be habit forming. Pull an engine get an alignment! YUCK!

After that, I will call Mike and get a dyno scheduled.

As to the other, communication is in process.

[CHRISPY]

good luck, looking forward to hearing the numbers! :)

[Pesticide]

Any dyno numbers yet?:)

[eboggs_jkvl]

I have a session set for 10AM on Wednesday the 30th.

[Andre]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
I have a session set for 10AM on Wednesday the 30th.

What kind of numbers are you expecting to see?

[eboggs_jkvl]

Somewhere between 312 and 1,012 RWHP.

Who knows? It depends on the tuner's ability to get it maxed out on the 93 octane gas.

Pick a number. You know what the parts are in the motor, what do you think it will get on the dyno?

E:)

[Warbird]

OK, then my guess would have to be:

1013 RWHP on high side
311 RWHP on the low side

:p

[WS6SPD]

Originally posted by Andre
What kind of numbers are you expecting to see?

1 Million Horsepwr!!! :drevil:

[Pesticide]

658 hp and 720 ft. Just pulling numbers out my ass.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by WS6SPD
1 Million Horsepwr!!! :drevil:


Now yer startin to sound like Andre! :p:p


E:)

[eboggs_jkvl]

I'm not sure but I think 6 might be a stretch. Remember, I need a daily driver AND 93 octane is all I'll put in the car. Mid to high 5s would make me happy.

[Andre]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Somewhere between 312 and 1,012 RWHP.

Who knows? It depends on the tuner's ability to get it maxed out on the 93 octane gas.

Pick a number. You know what the parts are in the motor, what do you think it will get on the dyno?

E:)

I don't really know much about FI setups... My guesstimate would be in the 600RWHP range?!?!

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Andre
I don't really know much about FI setups... My guesstimate would be in the 600RWHP range?!?!


ANY thing starting with a 6 would have me grinning.

[Pesticide]

You should be getting over 600 hp. I witnessed a yellow firebird at at ARE put out 620 hp in change with a procharger and built engine on pump gas so I would hope your near that. Especially, since cars like Rampant, Eugenio, Dentech are making over 500 hp NA.

Good luck and I hope everything works out for you.

[FireRoc]

Originally posted by Warbird
OK, then my guess would have to be:

1013 RWHP on high side
311 RWHP on the low side

:p

Okay......I will go 662 hp +/- 351 hp:D :D

[CHRISPY]

What cam spec, headflow numbers and compression? What injectors?

If it is 8.0:1 compression and 15-17#s boost I am guessing right around 620-670RWHP on pump gas depending on cam/head specs and fuel system.

If the comp is higher than HP numbers will be lower on pump gas.

[Greystar]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
I'm not sure but I think 6 might be a stretch. Remember, I need a daily driver AND 93 octane is all I'll put in the car. Mid to high 5s would make me happy.

Eh? I dunno a friend of mine has a 97ish Mustang w/ a 4.6 (cobra block), ported GT heads, cams, Vortech race trim blower, LT's, tuned for 100 octane and some other various stuff and he put just over 600 to the rear wheels.

So twin turbo, more displacement? I absolutely think you can get very close if not top 600 at the wheels.

Good luck Elmer!

[Andre]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
I have a session set for 10AM on Wednesday the 30th.

And the numbers are....

[eboggs_jkvl]

The CR is 9.0 - 9.4 I get 2 numbers when I asked for the CR. ARE says 9.4, the guys that tore the engine down to repair it say 9.0 what ever....


Nick targeted mid to hi 5s for the engine cam, heads and 93 octane gas.


I just got back from Orlando. The friggen actuators were actuating up a friggen storm. The actuated so much that I only got 7 PSI of boost. We removed the govenor (so to speak) and pulled the actuators out of the circuit. I plan on getting an electronic boost controller in the near future and revisiting the dyno.


We let the turbos spool to 13 PSI and got the following numbers.


551.1 RWHP
557.9 Torque


at 11.5 A/F


That's the story from Jacksonville.


E:)

[Andre]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
I'm not sure but I think 6 might be a stretch. Remember, I need a daily driver AND 93 octane is all I'll put in the car. Mid to high 5s would make me happy.

That's pretty much what you ended up with... I assume you are satisfied with the results?

[Bugblndr]

Nice to see some results out of your beast Elmer. Target was mid to high 5's and you're in the mid 5's. :thumbup:

[Croaker]

Congrats Elmer, glad to see the car finallymaking the power you wanted :)

[eboggs_jkvl]

Thanks, it's on the target for the numbers. A little frustrated with the boost and the contols (actuators). damn thing cranks up strong when the boost is allowed to actually come into play. We'll get that sorted out soon. What's another $600 from me on the "Project" engine.

The engine performed as advertised after the 2nd assembly. Still waiting on word from ARE on whether or not there will be a reimbursement on the repair.

E:)

[w2wss]

congrats on the numbers. will be a fast ride for sure:cool:

[bandit1]

Nice! Congrats Elmer :cool:

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Checkmate
FYI

There was a incon TT camaro ss, SI that made those #'s on the same boost. If you have better flowing heads and a better than stock cam I'd be a little upset. I believe he made well over 600 on race gas same boost.


Very important word....RACE gas. I know I can get more but I'm only going to tune for 93 octane which is the only stuff I can get when I drive to the shows.


E:)

[Marvin]

Awesome #'s Elmer... Can you up the boost more or is that the max for your CR? Unless the car hits the 1/4 no need to tune for more that 93 octane :D

[SLED28]

I remember those damn Incon actuators:bashhead: :bashhead:
I think fern has the fix for those things...

[XXV ANN]

Originally posted by Checkmate
My point was missed, Let me repeat myself again, IF you have better than stock flowing heads and better than stock cam....

What were the numbers before the new motor?

Is your glass half empty or half full?

[MIKE2000Z28]

I think it was 497rwhp on stock motor checkmate, but you guys can correct me if im wrong

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Checkmate
on how much boost?

I just expected a little more but if the customer(elmer) is happy, that is all that matters. :yup:


6PSI for those 497 numbers on the stock motor (ls1).

I'm looking at 12 PSI and I'm not trying for a 6 or 700 HP car that I can't daily drive. The tune in the car is what I will run. I can tune for 700, use race gas but then I'd need to purge the tank, load in 93 octane, RE-tune for the gas and then run. My numbers reflect what I drive.


How's that?

Elmer

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
6PSI for those 497 numbers on the stock motor (ls1).

I'm looking at 12 PSI and I'm not trying for a 6 or 700 HP car that I can't daily drive. The tune in the car is what I will run. I can tune for 700, use race gas but then I'd need to purge the tank, load in 93 octane, RE-tune for the gas and then run. My numbers reflect what I drive.


How's that?

Elmer

I'm not ripping on your car, no need to get all defensive.

I removed my posts because they are obviously upsetting you.

[CHRISPY]

Congrats :)

What weight springs are in the wastegates currently? Are they internal gates or a big single external?

So many folks have problems with the electronic boost controllers, they go tits up all the time.

A good manual boost controller (like the Hallman MBC) will be rock solid once it is set.

You can get an in-car adjustable one for 125-150 bucks. It'll hit the target boost as fast as the turbos can produce it and hold rock solid right till redline (or until the turbo runs out of steam)

If you are shooting for a solid 15#'s of boost a 12# spring in the gates would work well. (Use the MBC or EBC to handle the extra pressure and hit your target boost)

Congrats on the numbers, I bet there is a lot more in it :)

We used to play with wastegate and MBC spring pressures all the time in big turbo diesels (Cat diesels) and also gasoline race setups back east. The MBC was always the most reliable, easiest to tune and most consistent. Same boost whether it was -20 degrees or 100 degrees F outside

[JJBrown]

Reliablility is the key eboggs...............those are good numbers for a daily driver on pump gas.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Checkmate
I'm not ripping on your car, no need to get all defensive.

I removed my posts because they are obviously upsetting you.


I know you aren't. If I did I would express myself as such. I wasn't being defensive I was trying to state why I don't tune for a big number and then can't run it. Deleting your posts hopefully made you feel better but I wasn't upset with them in the slightest.

E-drama strikes again. Typing as opposed to face to face sucks at communication!


Elmer

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by CHRISPY
Congrats :)

What weight springs are in the wastegates currently? Are they internal gates or a big single external?

So many folks have problems with the electronic boost controllers, they go tits up all the time.

A good manual boost controller (like the Hallman MBC) will be rock solid once it is set.

You can get an in-car adjustable one for 125-150 bucks. It'll hit the target boost as fast as the turbos can produce it and hold rock solid right till redline (or until the turbo runs out of steam)

If you are shooting for a solid 15#'s of boost a 12# spring in the gates would work well. (Use the MBC or EBC to handle the extra pressure and hit your target boost)

Congrats on the numbers, I bet there is a lot more in it :)

We used to play with wastegate and MBC spring pressures all the time in big turbo diesels (Cat diesels) and also gasoline race setups back east. The MBC was always the most reliable, easiest to tune and most consistent. Same boost whether it was -20 degrees or 100 degrees F outside


The actuators we installed were made for the internal wastegate and supposedly were to allow 12 PSI. Well, the bastages kept it locked in at 7 no matter what we did to them. Screw 'em. We'll get another mode of boost control in there and hopefully it will work as advertised.

E:)

[eboggs_jkvl]

Looks like I'm going to need to replace one or both of the turbo cartridges. My torque curve is all wrong.

The torque hits much too late in the process. This could be what is contributing to my actuators being stymied at 7PSI.



http://www.ls2.com/boggs/ls6/nlpdyno01.jpg

E:)

[Marvin]

Hmmm that's no good Elmer.... Also the A/F looks all over the place too... is that normal for FI? I have no clue as I've only seen N/A graphs

[eboggs_jkvl]

Well, we couldn't control the boost so he went back to the best 7PSI run and flat tuned the A/F. When we get the boost problem figured out then we will flat line the higher boost A/F.


E:)

[eboggs_jkvl]

At the very end of this, we took off the actuator control and only got 13 PSI from "wide open" turbos. One or both of them is bad.


http://media.putfile.com/eboggs-dyno-113005

The last run shows the engine FINALLY waking up and going into boost but it is as the dyno sheet shows, well late into the run and totally wrong.

[StrokerZ71]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Looks like I'm going to need to replace one or both of the turbo cartridges. My torque curve is all wrong.

The torque hits much too late in the process. This could be what is contributing to my actuators being stymied at 7PSI.

E:)

Could you please post a bigger graph I cant quite make it out.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by StrokerZ71
Could you please post a bigger graph I cant quite make it out.

Two words....

Bite me! :p:p


At least you can read it! :D:D


E:)

[SLED28]

Glad to see it working good Elmer. Hows it feel!

[eboggs_jkvl]

Well, the turbo cartridges can wait. My tranny just lost 6th gear and the car is back in the shop.


I could use that refund on the engine repair now Nick.

Damn. mo-money mo-money mo-money


That's all I need.


E:)

[Bugblndr]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Well, the turbo cartridges can wait. My tranny just lost 6th gear and the car is back in the shop.

E:)

You don't need 6th gear to drive from car show to car show Elmer! :p

Good luck getting it back on the road, it sucks how these things happen.

[Warbird]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Well, the turbo cartridges can wait. My tranny just lost 6th gear and the car is back in the shop.


I could use that refund on the engine repair now Nick.

Damn. mo-money mo-money mo-money


That's all I need.


E:)

I have an update to my thread coming shortly, don't hold your breath too long Elmer.

Maybe I could ask you to re-sticky both our threads again :rolleyes:

[eboggs_jkvl]

This stays stuck until the reimbursement comes from ARE

[Warbird]

I have posted my findings from today in my thread.

Thanks Elmer for putting them both up. BTW, you might have a third thread to sticky soon from someone else :(

[eboggs_jkvl]

Sled28

Dave,

Did you install the lifters on the engine? If you did, were they new in the box?


Elmer

[SLED28]

Hi Elmer,
I beleive they we're new rebuild lifters from VTI. We had a box of 100 at a time. Most motors we're getting those, at least 15 of the 25 motors I did there in a short time got them. Are they making noise?

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by SLED28
Hi Elmer,
I beleive they we're new rebuild lifters from VTI. We had a box of 100 at a time. Most motors we're getting those, at least 15 of the 25 motors I did there in a short time got them. Are they making noise?


You sir are a mind reader. Yes, I have lifter noise and it's driving me crazy.

E:)

[SLED28]

I know my stuff ! Many had noises... Something with the rebuilt spring they use... If you change them out, do the morels, quiet on every motor I heard them on. Simply amazing pieces. I wish you asked before you put the motor back together :( If anybody has engine questions feel free to email or private mail me. I might be able to lead you into the right direction...

[StrokerZ71]

Originally posted by SLED28
I know my stuff ! Many had noises... Something with the rebuilt spring they use... If you change them out, do the morels, quiet on every motor I heard them on. Simply amazing pieces. I wish you asked before you put the motor back together :( If anybody has engine questions feel free to email or private mail me. I might be able to lead you into the right direction...

One of the big problems seems to be that people dont want to pay the extra money for premium parts. Sure those Morels work well but they are expensive.

Elmer did you pay for new lifters in your motor?

[Rampant]

Originally posted by StrokerZ71
One of the big problems seems to be that people dont want to pay the extra money for premium parts. Sure those Morels work well but they are expensive.

Elmer did you pay for new lifters in your motor?

My lifters were $700, glad I got them, but big cake. I guess you have to be willing to pay to play.


This is an expensive hobby.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by StrokerZ71
One of the big problems seems to be that people dont want to pay the extra money for premium parts. Sure those Morels work well but they are expensive.

Elmer did you pay for new lifters in your motor?

I wasn't notified of what lifters that they were going to use. I assumed (wrongly) that they would be new and I wouldn't have to deal with lifters ticking loudly. Had I known that they were going to use rebuilt lifters, I would have asked for new. Hells bells, I would have paid for new since I've already invested over 8K on this damn engine.

When the engine was torn down in jax, I replaced the ARP bolts with an ARP stud kit. I don't fucking deal with half-assed parts. Nothing on my entire car is 2nd rate parts. Well, the lifters seemed to have slipped by my standards.

Elmer

[Marvin]

I've had 2 H/C cars and the stock lifters are fine. I had a few myself

[CHRISPY]

Stock lifters perform great :)

Morels are good if you are running over .600 lift withg fast ramps and big duration/high revs (near 7000rpm)

Otherwise I wouldnt bother with them especially if you have .550 lift, sub 230 duration, moderate lobe profile and dont run over 6500rpm very often.

Cheers,
Chris

[Andre]

Originally posted by Marvin
I've had 2 H/C cars and the stock lifters are fine. I had a few myself

Jim, I don't think the issue here is wether stock lifters is the problem... it's about using remanufactured lifters in big dollar high performance engines... didn't you have problems with you reman lifters?

Elmer, I saw the little video you made about your car and it's pretty obvious that you don't mess around with 2nd rate parts!

Originally posted by Marvin
Checkmate take off the filter and do an oil change. If you've spun a bearing there will be evidence of it in your oil. When you did your Cam and springs did you replace the lifters? I had an issue with my car that ended up being lifter related ? Do you find that it's not loud when you start up the car but once it's warmed up and you get on it the noise starts? Like a ticking noise?

Originally posted by Marvin
I'll be in the shop Tuesday night with the car Croaker.

Force not 100% sure yet but we think it's a lifter issue. :(

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Andre
Jim, I don't think the issue here is wether stock lifters is the problem... it's about using remanufactured lifters in big dollar high performance engines... didn't you have problems with you reman lifters?

Elmer, I saw the little video you made about your car and it's pretty obvious that you don't mess around with 2nd rate parts!


That my friends is the core of my issue. IF it goes on my car and it's really important, it's new and it's a quality part.


I'm a little miffed that I have a brand new engine that is ticking like a 200,000 mile Pep Boys rebuild engine.

Elmer

[CHRISPY]

That sucks Elmer as you are looking at what another grand for R&R plus cost of lifters on top of it...

:(

[SLED28]

Those lifters we're hit and miss, some made noise, some we're quiet. They probably still use them even knowing there is problems with them. :(

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by SLED28
Those lifters we're hit and miss, some made noise, some we're quiet. They probably still use them even knowing there is problems with them. :(


Well, considering this engine was to be a showcase for the ARE workmanship, I would think that an engine sitting at idle and ticking would lead to questions on the cause of the noise. I can "talk" it off as valve train noise but anyone with half a lick of sense would know it's lifters. As I'm not known to blow smoke up someone's ass to hide things, I'll simply communicate that rebuilt lifters were used in the project.


Elmer

[XXV ANN]

E, check this link:

http://www.ddperformance.com/t56_partsupgrades.htm

I think that when (not if) I rebuild my M6 I would choose these parts to go back in the car.

[Pesticide]

I feel for you Elmer. I know what its like to have noisy lifters.:(

[eboggs_jkvl]

I've already mentioned the shift fork and synchros to my mechanic. The rest is great IF the T56 is under a lot of stress and is ridden hard. I think I can get by with just the two.


Thanks for the link, that is a plethora of information.

Elmer

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Pesticide
I feel for you Elmer. I know what its like to have noisy lifters.:(


Maybe I could run 90W oil and quiet them down? :think:

[Marvin]

Yep I had those rebuilt lifters put in my car twice before stock lifters went in. Only then did my problem get resolved.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by CHRISPY
That sucks Elmer as you are looking at what another grand for R&R plus cost of lifters on top of it...

:(


What pisses me off is I had the damn thing torn apart and could have put in new lifters. I thought they just needed to "pump up" :flex: Had I known of the rebuilt POS in there, I would have put in a set of stockers.

Elemr

[eboggs_jkvl]

Still waiting on the check from ARE to cover the expenses.:blah: :deal: :grumble: :wave2: :dedhorse: :cuckoo:



I will readjust my SIG if and when all responsibilities are met.



E:)

[SLED28]

Elmer, I'm trying to send you an email but it bounces

[Purple Poncho]

Hi Matt $X/hr

You hate ARE and all their customers beacasue they wouldn't give you X more bucks per hour?



I asked for this NOT TO GO ON! I repeat, please STOP. Elmer

[SLED28]

Nope, inside joke. I don't hate the customers. I just hate the dicks that slander me. I'm done, sorry Elmer.
Did you Check your email elmer?
THanks
Dave

[Andre]

Originally posted by Pesticide
I feel for you Elmer. I know what its like to have noisy lifters.:(

Are your lifters noisy as well?

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by SLED28
Elmer, I'm trying to send you an email but it bounces

admin@ls2.com or eboggs@comcast.net?

[SLED28]

Sorry its the comcast one that is bouncing...
I'll use the other.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by SLED28
Sorry its the comcast one that is bouncing...
I'll use the other.


That is strange. I'm not filtering out anything on comcast. I even checked the "filtered" folder on comcast and nothing is in there from you.

Did you fat finger the e-mail address? :p:p

[SLED28]

nope, I just clicked 'reply' to our ongoing emails we have going.. Maybe my side is acting all funny or something!

[DR.ZED]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
That my friends is the core of my issue. IF it goes on my car and it's really important, it's new and it's a quality part.


I'm a little miffed that I have a brand new engine that is ticking like a 200,000 mile Pep Boys rebuild engine.

Elmer

Thread Hijack: Need better pix of the wheels on your car. Attach please.

[DR.ZED]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
What pisses me off is I had the damn thing torn apart and could have put in new lifters. I thought they just needed to "pump up" :flex: Had I known of the rebuilt POS in there, I would have put in a set of stockers.

Elemr

Shitty I tell you....

... I'm sure you're aware of what is involved in replacing lifers on an LSx engine... :eek: :rolleyes: :(

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by DR.ZED
Thread Hijack: Need better pix of the wheels on your car. Attach please.


http://www.ls2.com/boggs/tires/bc09001.jpg

http://www.ls2.com/boggs/tires/bc09003.jpg

http://www.ls2.com/boggs/tires/wheels2004.jpg

http://www.ls2.com/boggs/pictures/wilwood/install004.jpg


How's that?

[denttech]

I really like those wheels Elmer...nice bling!

Great brakes too!

[DR.ZED]

... Don that last pix is the REAR brake.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

[romanss]

Elmer, if you're in need of a T56, I have a perfectly good one that I'm pulling out. It has the hardened keys, steel shift fork, viper output shaft upgrade, new synchros throughout and chryoed gears, input shaft and mainshaft.

Let me know.;)

Roman

[Croaker]

Aww Roman, you selling out and going auto?

[DR.ZED]

... time to get a new license plate if that is the case.

;)

[eboggs_jkvl]

Canada Mail must really suck.


The check has not arrived in Jacksonville as of Saturday's post.



E:)

[garfin]

Y'all git mail delivery down there on Saturdays!?!:eek:

Best regardSS,

Elie

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by garfin
Y'all git mail delivery down there on Saturdays!?!:eek:

Best regardSS,

Elie


Why yes we do. The US mail is delivered Monday - Saturday.

E:)

[1997Z4CSS]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Canada Mail must really suck.




Yes it does. It takes 2 days to send Christmas cards to the same city :rolleyes: :(

[garfin]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Why yes we do. The US mail is delivered Monday - Saturday.

E:)
Damn civilized, if I do say so myself! Heck, I just found out that although we do get mail delivery up here on Fridays, there is now no pickup from mailboxes on that day. This was obviously not publicized by Canada Post!
See you again next month in Detroit, Elmer!

Best regardSS,

Elie

[romanss]

Originally posted by Andre
In order for you to recieve it, it must actually be sent out! :rolleyes:


Hey, hey, what are trying to say?

That's not very nice.

Roman

[SSZ]

Makes an honest point though!:D

[romanss]

Originally posted by Croaker
Aww Roman, you selling out and going auto?

Why would you make that assumption?;)

Originally posted by DR.ZED
... time to get a new license plate if that is the case.



My plate says "XCESSIV" I think that it'll still stay on the car. More so next year.

You're thinking about Taner's plate "9SEC6SPD"

Roman

[romanss]

Originally posted by SSZ
Makes an honest point though!:D

Those damn honest funny guys.

Sorry Elmer, hijack is finished. Or chop this section out and make a new post.

Roman

[Eugenio_SS]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Canada Mail must really suck.


The check has not arrived in Jacksonville as of Saturday's post.



E:)
not to be pessimistic, but I doubt you'll ever see the $ they owe you.
Even worse, they'll probably send you an extra bill to extort more $.
Good luck.

[eboggs_jkvl]

There are 3 threads that will remain sticky in this forum until the money is paid to the people that are not being given fair treatment.

If anyone has more threads that they's like to post with documented information, I'll gladly set those to "sticky" for an indefinite period of time.


I'm really getting quite tired of this crap.

ARE
Reimburse the people the money you owe them or these threads remain up here forever and the list WILL GROW!

[denttech]

hmmm, I'm seeing lots of red.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by denttech
hmmm, I'm seeing lots of red.


It's one of my favorite colors. I'm going to do more in the morning. I'm tired now and need to get some shut eye.

E:)

[Eugenio_SS]

Hi E,
if you want any details from me, let me know, and I'll send you huge novel... PM me if you require anything.
sorry for hijacking your thread, but thanks.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Just put the details in your thread. It'll stay a sticky. I'm tired of dicking around with this nonsense. It is apparent that no money is forthcoming from the company and I'm moving on. They want to play the game like this? I can play the game back. Simply insert FACTS. No heresay, no rumour, no innuendo. Just facts and they can't dispute the truth if you have the documentation to prove what you say.

I mentioned before... I'm not a person to trifle with. I played the game fair but enough is enough.

Elmer

[Eugenio_SS]

I know exactly how you feel and I feel sory for you.
I wished you would have better luck than some of us, but history seemed to repeat itself. :(
Hope you eventually get what you should've gotten in the 1st place... but done right.

[rock1501]

I really hope everyone gets there money back and Nick Agostino goes to jail where he belongs.
This is tens of thousands of dollars we are talking here if not hundreds of thousands:mad:

[Eugenio_SS]

Originally posted by rock1501
I really hope everyone gets there money back and Nick Agostino goes to jail where he belongs.
This is tens of thousands of dollars we are talking here if not hundreds of thousands:mad:
AMEN !

[eboggs_jkvl]

Just to make sure that there isn't any confusion on the amount that I expect:


$1,453.76 repair of loose head
$188 Replacement of 2 head gaskets
$80 2nd front end alignment


ARE You Owe Me (YOM) Total: $1,721.76


This falls way down the list in amounts to square up the account but that's all I require to call it even with ARE.

E:)

[JJBrown]

Eboggs..............you slapped my rists not to long ago for calling ARE/Autoworx criminals...............do you believe me now???? :rolleyes: I can't believe what they have done to many of you guys.........and get away with it.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by JJBrown
Eboggs..............you slapped my rists not to long ago for calling ARE/Autoworx criminals...............do you believe me now???? :rolleyes: I can't believe what they have done to many of you guys.........and get away with it.

When you said what you said, they were a sponsor and at that time you could state issues that you were having and as long as it was kept in a civil tone, no threads were locked. Calling a sponsor a criminal could not be condoned.

As they are no longer a sponsor, we are not obligated to defend the "honor" of this particular company. They must meet the problems noted and do the correct and honorable response. They have lost the "security blanket" provided by a Sponsor position.

It has been a month since the situation was "proven" beyond a reasonable doubt that my situation was entirely their fault. I had a phone conversation with N.A. and he stated in no uncertain terms that he would foot the bill for the repair. Unfortunately, that very day, they were removed as a sponsor and I have doubts about the "bill reimbursement".

A criminal is usually someone that has done something unlawful and has been taken to court and had the charges proven and thusly named as "criminal". Until that time, I will NOT refer to any company as criminal. Others may say what they please as long as they can back up their statements and are willing to go to court to prove their accusation.

My position is very well stated. Reimburse me for my expenses and I personally don't have a beef with ARE. Until that time comes, the threads stay as they are. If ARE takes steps to "clear" the other issues, I'll remove the "red" and the "sticky" and let the threads roll off the page.


Elmer

[Force]

What a Freakin' nightmare you guys are going through!!!! The only way to stop ARE is to take them to court over and over again. Whats the dollar limit on small claims court?

[JJBrown]

They need to be charged with fraud............all it takes is one of you with proof to step up and call the police........then it won't cost you anything to see justice. Unfortunately your money is gone............you will not see it again. But watching Nick get his balls boiled in court would be satisfying.

[DR.ZED]

Originally posted by Force
What a Freakin' nightmare you guys are going through!!!! The only way to stop ARE is to take them to court over and over again. Whats the dollar limit on small claims court?

10K CDN.

There are 4 people I believe that will be held liable. The company I do believe is NOT incorporated, so they will all be held personally responsible.

[denttech]

Owners of incorporated companies are held responsible for their companies actions and financial responsibilities. This was changed some time back in the 90's, I believe.

[DR.ZED]

Originally posted by denttech
Owners of incorporated companies are held responsible for their companies actions and financial responsibilities. This was changed some time back in the 90's, I believe.

I believe that is for extending credit. The limited liability is for legal suits against the company. Am I wrong? Not to thread hijack... ha

[SLED28]

Originally posted by Pete K
Hey Dave Diluca...aka Sled28...aka Breed.

I thought you were banned from LS2?? Guess not.

As for the heads, you were the one who torqued them down (or lack of) so stop deflecting the blame.

Welp, the person who did Elmers heads finally spilled the beans to me so to speak earlier today. I am not naming names because it doesn't matter other then it was a ARE employee, so for the few of youdicks :wavefu: :wavefu: :wavefu: :wavefu:
What do you think of that PeteK :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Z07]

Originally posted by JJBrown
They need to be charged with fraud............all it takes is one of you with proof to step up


Apparently it must be the "proof" part that's the problem considering they have never even been charged with anything yet alone convicted.

I don't get you guys, I would not hesitate to bring people to court if I got ripped off.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Z07
Apparently it must be the "proof" part that's the problem considering they have never even been charged with anything yet alone convicted.

I don't get you guys, I would not hesitate to bring people to court if I got ripped off.


Living in Florida seems to be a real problem for any court activity. How am I supposed to be there in Canada in a courtroom? If I could do it remotely, I'd give it a shot. THe locals up there need to be playing the court card.


Elmer

[Z07]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Living in Florida seems to be a real problem for any court activity. How am I supposed to be there in Canada in a courtroom? If I could do it remotely, I'd give it a shot. THe locals up there need to be playing the court card.


Elmer

I'm not sure how it works to tell you the truth but it's worth looking into. I have heard of a few telemarketing scams that were targeted at Americans and they had a hard time pursuing it as well.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Testing my new scanner


13 PSI & 93 octane. Needs new cartridges in the turbos. The boost is anemic and coming in late.


http://www.ls2.com/boggs/ls6/nlpdyno01.jpg

[SLED28]

Looks good

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by SLED28
Looks good


Well, at least it wasn't a boost driven pressure washer on the dyno this time.

E:)

[Boost Master]

Nick when are you going to square up for the $15,000 you owe my friend Edmond for the motor you sold to the middle east. It's only been 2 years.
:mad:

[eboggs_jkvl]

Phone conversation with N.A. last week. He reaffirmed that he would reimburse for the 2nd engine pull and repair.


Nothing as of today's conversation with Dynotune or in my mailbox.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Per e-mail received on 12/22/05 from Nick Agostino.

Check for repairs was sent on 12/20/05 for billed amount posted in this thread by Dynotune Performance.


As of Friday, 12/30/05, the check has not made it to Jacksonville. I'm sure it will arrive shortly. We all know that Canada uses sled dogs for the mail and they can be temperamental


E:)

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by eboggs_jkvl
Still no response from ARE.


I have the car back now and it seems to be running just fine. I looked at the left gasket and there was absolutely NO CLAMPING force put to it on any section of the gasket. It simply looked new.

Ok, enough of that. Nick, here's the damage.

Were you to do as you stated and pay for the repair, your bill is:

$1,453.76

I'll take PayPal or check, your choice. I paid the mechanic so as not to interfere with his cash flow waiting on you to get back to him.


Elmer


I still don't see why the money is supposed to go to the repair shop? I already paid the bill and the money came out of my pocket. Also, I would hope the 2 gaskets for $84 a piece was included in the check as well as the 2nd front end alignment for $80. I mentioned those amounts earlier in this thread and surely they were taken into consideration. It was more money out of my pocket, not the repair shop.

Well, Wednesday and still no word from Dave that he received the check.

ELmer

[eboggs_jkvl]

17 days and no check.


Why do I think I received some "iffy" information.


Screw it, life goes on.

Time to make adjustments to my SIG and displays.


Happy New Year.

[eboggs_jkvl]

OK, I am quite reasonable. I was again contacted by Nick and assured the darn check went out on the 20th. He will stop payment (If it does show up, we will notify Nick and send it back or destroy it per his request) and he will resend another check directly to me this time.

Autoworx was and has been always shown on my SIG if you clicked the "LS6" link. It just didn't show up on the top level of my SIG.

I will display the engine builder's information as previously promised at the car shows I attend. The information will be in the format of the displayed text in my "Autoworx LS6" link in my SIG.


Elmer

[Marvin]

Wouldn't it be easier to do an email money transfer or a direct wire transfer?

[eboggs_jkvl]

Originally posted by Marvin
Wouldn't it be easier to do an email money transfer or a direct wire transfer?


I have no preference toward that. A check is fine. A check via mail is also fine.

[eboggs_jkvl]

Check arrived today via courier.


All square.


Thank you Nick.



Elmer

[Patman]

Glad to hear you have a happy ending!

I've had nothing but good luck with them. They did my dyno tuning when I first got my C5, and then installed my Vararam for me a couple of weeks ago, and even did my dyno tuning again for free! Pete spent 2 hours and did 7 dyno pulls for me! Now that is awesome!

They are installing new pads and new rotors on all four corners for me on Monday morning.

[eboggs_jkvl]

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

The shop that did the work on the engine just called me and informed me that he received a check from Nick today. The envelope was postmarked December 21, 2005.

The postal service has definitely set an all time record in efficiency on this particular delivery. 26 DAYS!!!!

So, Nick, true to your word, it really was a "The Checks in the mail!" scenario! :D:D

Thanks for sending the 2nd check (already cashed). You have e-mail about the disposition of the first check.

Elmer