let's put together the new camaro info in here...

[Harmon Rabb]

there's various pieces from around the net. let's put it in this thread :cool:

any word on the engine choices btw?

[MJSbossman]

Minimum engine = LS2.

Whoa who stole your password Bermy? I thought you were loving the GT500.

You sure do love GM all of a sudden. :woot2:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Bossman
Minimum engine = LS2.

Whoa who stole your password Bermy? I thought you were loving the GT500.

You sure do love GM all of a sudden. :woot2:

why can't i love all cars? :boggled:

i thought i've seen reports of the 5.3 (the revised 5.3 that the trucks will get) will be the base V8, with an optional better V8. kind of like the way Ford does it - one mediocre v8, one good v8.

someone find that bit about the new truck engines getting LS7 based heads and a 440hp LS2. That 440hp LS2 in a camaro and gto would be sweet.

[MapleRed]

Engine lineup I've heard.

Base engine: Either a 3.9 liter V6 or the 3.6 liter V6

SS engine options: 5.3 liter V8 and/or a 6.0 Liter V8

Z28 engine option: Something more powerful than the LS2. Don't know what this is yet but the Z28 is supposed to be the "Z06 Camaro".

[jr. gong]

Originally posted by Bossman
Minimum engine = LS2.

Whoa who stole your password Bermy? I thought you were loving the GT500.

You sure do love GM all of a sudden. :woot2:

I noticed that too.. :clap2:

[Whut]

I will test the waters and make this a sticky for a while. If people actually put current Camaro information in here then I will leave it up, otherwise I will let it go.

[MapleRed]

I've also heard that the 5th gen will definitely have an IRS.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by DrewSG3
I noticed that too.. :clap2:

boy i just can't win. i try to be a nice helpful positive member of the site and people still type-cast me. :(

enough about me. back to the new camaro! :banana:

[WCFields]

Personally I'm holding out for the S/C LS2 they are test muleing in a Caddy to somehow showup in a specialty Camaro. I'm not sure where they are planing to use it(not in a Caddy, they have a different S/C motor) so the question begs to be asked why would they spend money actually muleing one unless it had potential homes:D

Frankly I would think the LS2 would be the base V8, I'd be surprised if they lower the HP compared to the LS1 F bods with a base 300 HP 5.3 unless they could come in at or below the Stang GT price. I also would be surprised to see the 5.3 with DOD on a Camaro. :shrug:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
Personally I'm holding out for the S/C LS2 they are test muleing in a Caddy to somehow showup in a specialty Camaro. I'm not sure where they are planing to use it(not in a Caddy, they have a different S/C motor) so the question begs to be asked why would they spend money actually muleing one unless it had potential homes:D

Frankly I would think the LS2 would be the base V8, I'd be surprised if they lower the HP compared to the LS1 F bods with a base 300 HP 5.3 unless they could come in at or below the Stang GT price. I also would be surprised to see the 5.3 with DOD on a Camaro. :shrug:

The hp figures for the GMT900 trucks have the 5.3 @ 355 hp. My guess is a 5.3 Camaro would have quite a bit more hp than the Impy SS. Remember that LS4 is for fwd applications and would need to be limited hp/torque wise for torque steer and transmission concerns. The insiders hinted that a 5.3 Camaro would have LS1 f-body level performance.

I, for one, would rather see an LS2 as the base V8. I'm guessing that trim level would be the Mustang GT competitor and would be priced accordingly. 400 hp for under $30k. I'm there.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by MapleRed
The hp figures for the GMT900 trucks have the 5.3 @ 355 hp. My guess is a 5.3 Camaro would have quite a bit more hp than the Impy SS. Remember that LS4 is for fwd applications and would need to be limited hp/torque wise for torque steer and transmission concerns. The insiders hinted that a 5.3 Camaro would have LS1 f-body level performance.

I, for one, would rather see an LS2 as the base V8. I'm guessing that trim level would be the Mustang GT competitor and would be priced accordingly. 400 hp for under $30k. I'm there.

even if it had ls1 level performance that would be plenty to beat out the GT.

[WCFields]

I'd like to see a dyno chart of a 355 HP 5.3 just to compare the powerband to an LS1.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I'd like to see a dyno chart of a 355 HP 5.3 just to compare the powerband to an LS1.

me too. wouldnt matter much if they just gear it better. give it similar gearing to what the stang has and it shuold rip.

[MapleRed]

I hope any new Camaro gets the 6 speed auto like the 06 Vette is getting as an option.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Berman
me too. wouldnt matter much if they just gear it better. give it similar gearing to what the stang has and it shuold rip.

:story:

It would be great to see a variety of V8 engines offered in the new Camaro. :yup:

[WCFields]

What is the exact poop on the 5.3 LS4? Any comparos to an LS1/2 been done?

I'm still thinking LS2 for the base V8...hell even the Tralblazer SS gets the LS2...How could an SS Camaro not???

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by MapleRed
:story:

It would be great to see a variety of V8 engines offered in the new Camaro. :yup:

base 355hp 5.3 and a 440hp ls2 (with ls7 style heads) would be awesome. the 440hp version could be to take on the gt500 and the 5.3 would be enough to beat out the GT.

[DrEvyl]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
What is the exact poop on the 5.3 LS4? Any comparos to an LS1/2 been done?

I'm still thinking LS2 for the base V8...hell even the Tralblazer SS gets the LS2...How could an SS Camaro not???

There have been rumors floating around about a 480 hp LS3 motor.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by DrEvyl
There have been rumors floating around about a 480 hp LS3 motor.

what size is the ls3?

[WCFields]

What heads are on the LS4, I've done a lot of googling and have come up with very little info on this motor.

[DrEvyl]

Originally posted by Berman
what size is the ls3?

No idea. Just saw the desginator floating around.

In old school terms, it's a 396. Dunno what it is now.

[WCFields]

ok, finally found some poop on the LS4, AFAIK the 355 HP is just a rumor, where is that the official HP for a truck motor for the 5.3?

Boy from the read of this it sounds like the LS4 was a FWD design, I', pretty skeptical of a 355 HP version. :shrug:

General Motors’ new Gen IV 5300 5.3L V-8 (LS4) engine debuts in the 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP, making it the first V-8 offered in a Grand Prix since 1987. It also marks the first time since the small-block was introduced 50 years ago that it has been offered in a front-wheel-drive car.

Engineered specifically for front-drive layouts, the 5300 V-8 is estimated to produce 303 horsepower and 325 lb.-ft. of torque. It incorporates Displacement on Demand technology (DOD), which helps the vehicle realize fuel economy gains of up to 12 percent per the EPA federal fuel economy test procedures. It does this by seamlessly alternating between eight- and four-cylinder operation.


The all-aluminum 5300 V-8 is the third displacement offering of the Gen IV small-block, which was introduced in the 2005 Chevrolet SSR, GTO and Corvette, as well as several 2005 GM SUVs. The 5300 V-8 shares a common architecture with these other versions, including a deep-skirt block, six-bolt cross-bolted main bearing caps, and structural oil pan, but is modified to accommodate the “east-west” mounting position of the Grand Prix’s front-wheel-drive chassis.

To fit the “sideways” positioning in the Grand Prix, several changes were made to shorten the engine’s overall length. The crankshaft was shortened by 13 mm – 3 mm at the rear and 10 mm at the front – and the entire accessory drive system was designed to reduce space. The water pump and all other accessories, including the power steering pump, are driven on a single-belt drive system – the longest drive system in a GM vehicle.

Engineers devised an elongated water pump manifold, which features a remote-mounted pump that feeds the stock Gen IV coolant passages via the unique manifold. The design allowed the drive system to be mounted closer to the engine block. Because of the 5300 V-8’s relatively low inertia, which can be up to 50 percent less at the crankshaft damper than a 6.0L V-8, a hydraulic belt tensioner was used instead of a conventional rotary tensioner.

Unique position

The sideways position of the 5300 V-8 required revisions to the lubrication system. Engineers tested 5300 V-8 equipped test vehicles on racetracks, subjecting them to high-load turns that guided the development of special oil pan baffles that ensure lubrication during cornering. In addition, because Gen IV engines don’t have a block-mounted oil filter – it’s located on the oil pan – the 5300 V-8’s filter offers easy access.

The GM Oil Life System oil-change indicator system is standard, which can reduce the frequency of oil changes during the engine’s operating life. With the system, the engine control module (ECM) records cumulative data on a number of variables, including engine rpm, temperature, load or rpm variance and length of operation at any given load and temperature. Using this information, the system calculates oil degradation and recommends an oil change when the oil is near the end of its useful life – in other words, when an oil change is actually needed.

Other 5300 V-8 features include:

Lightweight, three-piece friction-welded composite intake manifold
Aluminum high-flow cylinder heads similar to 6.0L V-8 (LS2)
Aluminum engine block with cross-bolted main bearing caps
Full-floating pistons
Electronic throttle control integrated with a new engine controller
10.0:1 compression ratio for fuel-efficient performance
Unique camshaft designed for DOD technology
GM Oil Life System to minimize required oil changes
Because of the front-drive layout, the 5300 V-8’s exhaust manifold routing includes two manifolds joined by a single crossover pipe, which connect to a single underbody catalytic converter. The crossover pipe allows the use of a single oxygen sensor, unlike north/south V-8 applications that have two oxygen sensors.

Displacement on Demand technology

GM’s Displacement on Demand technology debuted in 2005 GM extended midsize SUVs equipped with the Vortec 5.3L V-8 (LH6) engine. With the 5300 V-8 (LS4), DOD technology enables fuel economy gains of up to 12 percent in certain driving conditions by reducing the number of cylinders engaged in the combustion process. A sophisticated, next-generation engine controller determines when to deactivate cylinders, allowing the engine to maintain vehicle speed in lighter-load conditions such as highway cruising. When the cylinders are deactivated, the engine effectively operates as a V-4, with alternate cylinders on each cylinder bank disabled. The engine returns to V-8 mode the instant the controller determines the vehicle speed or load requires additional power.

http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/PV__021610__.jpg

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by DrEvyl
No idea. Just saw the desginator floating around.

In old school terms, it's a 396. Dunno what it is now.

a 396 would be cool. that's another 20+ ci on the ls2 :cool:

[WCFields]

ok...someone's got this 355 HP 5.3 truck motor stuff mixed up, there's a Vortec 355 HP 6.0, then there's a 5.3 Vortec 327 HP, those are truck motors.

The LS4 303 HP 5.3 looks only to be a FWD motor, so I think we're back to the LS2 in the Camaro SS.

Hell...Trainblazer SS LS2, Camaro SS LS2, GTO LS2...makes sense. :shrug:

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
ok...someone's got this 355 HP 5.3 truck motor stuff mixed up, there's a Vortec 355 HP 6.0, then there's a 5.3 Vortec 327 HP, those are truck motors.

The LS4 303 HP 5.3 looks only to be a FWD motor, so I think we're back to the LS2 in the Camaro SS.

Hell...Trainblazer SS LS2, Camaro SS LS2, GTO LS2...makes sense. :shrug:

I used the truck 5.3 as an example that GM is capable of getting more than 300 hp out of the 5.3. But then again, you are right the 355hp version was a rumor from posted hp numbers for the GMT-900 trucks on GMI's site.

FYI, I've also heard rumors of an L92 V8. That would be larger than the LS2, somewhere between 6.2 and 6.4 liters and would have around 450 hp NA as a possible top engine option. :dunno:

For the record, I'd be just fine w/ the LS2 as the Camaro's base V8. Whatever gives us the best performance for the money and keeps the cars sales strong for years to come.

[Blade]

I'll post up whenever I get more info. :)

[jr. gong]

The next Camaro will have design cues from all four generations

[BlueThunder99TA]

when is the projected release of the new Camaro?


<----trying to see if I can squeeze some more time out of the Jeep.:D

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by BlueThunder99TA
when is the projected release of the new Camaro?


<----trying to see if I can squeeze some more time out of the Jeep.:D

Don't know yet. Rumors are 08 - 09 model year.

There will most likely be a concept at the 06 Detroit show.

[gettinthere]

We need Scott Settlemire in here! He won't give away any answers though.

Either way I highly doubt we will see the LS7 heads on a Camaro of any kind. Those heads will only work with a big bore motor.

[jr. gong]

Originally posted by gettinthere
We need Scott Settlemire in here! He won't give away any answers though.

Either way I highly doubt we will see the LS7 heads on a Camaro of any kind. Those heads will only work with a big bore motor.

SDPC said GM is making new heads that are the same design of the LS7, but with smaller valves so they will work on our smaller bore engines..

[WCFields]

Originally posted by gettinthere
We need Scott Settlemire in here! He won't give away any answers though.

Either way I highly doubt we will see the LS7 heads on a Camaro of any kind. Those heads will only work with a big bore motor. I really don't expect to see that.

The more I think about it the more I think my original guess makes sense. Trailblazer SS = LS2 & Camaro SS = LS2, yup. :D

Base - V6
SS - LS2 400-420 HP (whatever it is at the time)
Z28 or ZL1 - S/C LS2 480~ HP


S/C LS2 - "The STS SAE 100 is powered by a supercharged LS2 engine yielding 505 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 520 lb-ft of torque at 3600 rpm. It is mated to GM HydraMatic's newly developed, longitudinal 6L90E six-speed transmission, capable of supporting more powerful engines like the supercharged LS2. The transmission features Driver Shift Control, which gives the driver the ability to shift gears sequentially with a tap up/ tap down mechanism.



http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/stssae05_engine.jpg

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I really don't expect to see that.

The more I think about it the more I think my original guess makes sense. Trailblazer SS = LS2 & Camaro SS = LS2, yup. :D

Base - V6
SS - LS2 400-420 HP (whatever it is at the time)
Z28 or ZL1 - S/C LS2 480~ HP


S/C LS2 - "The STS SAE 100 is powered by a supercharged LS2 engine yielding 505 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 520 lb-ft of torque at 3600 rpm. It is mated to GM HydraMatic's newly developed, longitudinal 6L90E six-speed transmission, capable of supporting more powerful engines like the supercharged LS2. The transmission features Driver Shift Control, which gives the driver the ability to shift gears sequentially with a tap up/ tap down mechanism.



http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/stssae05_engine.jpg

factory supercharged ls2? :eek: gt500 what?

[Blade]

Originally posted by Berman
factory supercharged ls2? :eek: gt500 what? Yes.

Whether or not it will be put in a Camaro remains to be seen.

Perhaps if the sales are high enough, it may come in some special edition Camaro for around the same price as the Shelby.

[gettinthere]

Originally posted by DrewSG3
SDPC said GM is making new heads that are the same design of the LS7, but with smaller valves so they will work on our smaller bore engines..

That could be fun then!

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by Nanten

Perhaps if the sales are high enough, it may come in some special edition Camaro for around the same price as the Shelby.

words do not describe how awesome that would be. damn would i love to see gm come back and kick the gt500 in the sack. :D :headbang:

[WCFields]

I think if the LS2 ends up in the new Camaro then a specialty edition with that S/C LS2 is almost a given at some point.

Looking at it...it loks like a very compact, easy fit for any vehicle that comes with an LS2 stock.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I think if the LS2 ends up in the new Camaro then a specialty edition with that S/C LS2 is almost a given at some point.

Looking at it...it loks like a very compact, easy fit for any vehicle that comes with an LS2 stock.

that would rock. now if they'd offer that motor with an auto :eek:

[TTU]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I really don't expect to see that.

The more I think about it the more I think my original guess makes sense. Trailblazer SS = LS2 & Camaro SS = LS2, yup. :D

Base - V6
SS - LS2 400-420 HP (whatever it is at the time)
Z28 or ZL1 - S/C LS2 480~ HP

S/C LS2 - "The STS SAE 100 is powered by a supercharged LS2 engine yielding 505 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 520 lb-ft of torque at 3600 rpm. It is mated to GM HydraMatic's newly developed, longitudinal 6L90E six-speed transmission, capable of supporting more powerful engines like the supercharged LS2. The transmission features Driver Shift Control, which gives the driver the ability to shift gears sequentially with a tap up/ tap down mechanism.



http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/03/stssae05_engine.jpg

:drool: x 10000000000
I want it with a 7 speed manual :naughty:

[Blade]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I think if the LS2 ends up in the new Camaro then a specialty edition with that S/C LS2 is almost a given at some point.

Looking at it...it loks like a very compact, easy fit for any vehicle that comes with an LS2 stock. It's all about sales man.

It's sales that will dictate whether or not we'll see it.

[absolom]

that would kick ass if gm made a direct competitor for the gt500

[QWIKLS1]

There's a ton of good info HERE (http://www.chevyefi.com/the_return_of_the_camaro.doc)

Most of it has been dicussed/mentioned before, but this has it all in one spot. :spot:




2007 - The Camaro will be There!
_Work on a new 5th generation Camaro, though GM will tell you different, began about two years ago in almost a skunkworks fashion. It was a difficult task for GM to perform in secret especially during the acrimonious final year of the fourth generation Camaro. GM constantly referring to the Camaro being on “Hiatus” is a sure sign that they were not fully giving up on the Camaro. Initial work was largely marketing studies, seeing what potential Camaro buyer must have, would like to have, and defiantly don’t want. This kind of research is done before engineering and design on a new car program. Camaro is the 3rd most recognized name in GM’s portfolio, and it has understandably become notion at GM that it had to come back. The current team working on the new Camaro is pushing to build a car that will be appealing not only when it’s released, but 5-7 years later (as far out as 2015!). That means for the most part that retro is out, which is good for Bob Lutz, who dislikes such design to begin with. GM does not want another T-bird or new Beetle, as their sales do not hold up well over time. Initially in the development process, Cadillac’s Sigma platform was considered the leading architecture for which to base the new Camaro. Several issues however came up with this choice, the first one of which being the cost of the Cadillac platform which was not designed with Chevrolet prices in mind. Secondly, the Sigma platform has a very high cowl (commonly called firewall) height that was made as a concession for the Cadillac SRX Crossover. This however is not ideal for a low slung sports coupe and would be very expensive to impossible to correct. This realization occurred at about the same point GM discovered Holden. In importing the GTO, GM realized that Holden had expertise and efficiency in designing affordable rear wheel drive cars that they could only wish to have. When they signed a 3-year agreement with Holden to build the GTO, they also had an eye on the future, and an American made GTO. It seems Holden was already developing a successor to the V-chassis that the Monaro, GTO, and Commodore are all built on dubbed VE. The VE chassis (as Holden calls it) is sort of a hybrid Sigma/V-car design with most of the Sigma’s structure mated to V-Car suspension elements. This new design is being engineered to be fully compliant with US laws and will be built in one or two US factories beginning 2005-2006. It is Holden’s manufacturing system which allows for several cars to be built in one factory that is the cornerstone to GM’s plans. Currently they build 20 variants of the V-car in one factory down under. This setup GM hopes in the US will allow for a Buick to build say a $45,000 Lexus fighting sedan on the same line a $20,000 V6 Chevy Camaro. The US version of the VE chassis is currently being called Sigma-Lite or Sigma-Mass among those in the know, however GM has yet to give it an official name. The chassis debuted just this week as the Opel Insignia concept, proving how far it is along in development. The VE will also underpin the next GTO which will be made in the US in 2007. This new VE-based GTO is said to be lower, wider, and more aggressive than the current V-car based version according to those who have seen it. Expect the new GTO to be more identifiable as a GTO, while being a fully modern (non-retro) design. I believe the Insignia concept shows the low slung rounded look that will be the signature of this platform.

Now what does all this mean for the Camaro? Well since it was decided that the GTO would be redesigned and built stateside, Chevy has been in the game developing a coupe for themselves as a counterpart. Common notion was that this car would be a Chevelle, since it has historically been the GTO’s platform sibling. This speculation was recently fired by the fact that Chevy recently trademarked the Chevelle name again. In fact, for a few months there were questions in GM concerning what the new Chevy coupe would be called as some wanted it to be a Monte Carlo, some a Chevelle, and the majority wanted a Camaro. GMI has learned that the Chevelle rumors really never had any muscle behind them, especially after GM was roasted alive by GTO enthusiasts over the 2004 car, Chevrolet has become worried about getting the same reception over a reborn Chevelle. Cementing the name of the new Chevrolet coupe was ironically the Mustang concept at the 2004 NAIAS. Upon first site it gave Bob Lutz a case of the “I wants”, and pretty much cemented that any coupe that comes from Chevrolet will be have to first be a Camaro.

Its also noteworthy that we’ve learned that the new Camaro will not be the same size as the GTO, as the highly flexible chassis allows for different proportions among car models. Think of it as a GTO on a diet with some dimensional excesses removed. Our sources assure us that no one will mistake a Camaro for a GTO both in size or appearance. This new 5th Gen Camaro is currently on a timeline for a 2007 model year introduction, provided that no unexpected obstacles fall in it’s path. GM’s maze of new model concept approvals is staggering, and the new car does not have the final stamp quite yet. However it should be noted that at this point neither does the 2007 GTO, and that this is normal in the approval process for vehicles this far out. This final approval by GM’s Product Planning Board does not occur until the car is within about two years of going into production. In short, if the 2007 GTO becomes reality (which we all know will happen), then a 2007 Camaro almost certainly will to.

GM was quite proud of the fact that the Camaro was the fastest pony car during it’s final years and is willing to grow to great lengths to ensure it picks up where it left off. GM can match the Ford Mustang step for step horsepower wise with it’s superior powertrain unit. GM’s engines are cheaper and make more HP/Dollar than their respective Ford units despite the false generally held notion they are low tech. Power will likely come in three flavors, base V6, medium V8, and high end V8. The base V6 will likely be a high-value 3.5L (200HP) or 3.9L (230HP) engine. Expect GM to match the Mustang in V6 performance, but not exceed it. It is important that GM save costs on the V6 Camaro as it will likely be among the cheapest cars built on the whole Sigma-Lite platform. Though V6 buyers care about performance, cost and value seem to take more precedence in this segment. As much as people would like a 3.6L 255 HP high feature V6, it’s not likely due to its much increased cost. They do however, plan to offer a bolt on version of the supercharger used on the 285HP 3.5L that will show up in the 2005 Pontiac G6 to the general public through dealers. Contrary to some rumors, a 4-cylnder is not in the plans as it does not fit the image Chevrolet wants for the new Camaro. For a mid-level V8 expect either a 320 HP 5.3L or a 340HP detuned version of the Corvette’s 6.0L LS2 base engine.The 5.3L is the less likely of the above mentioned engines to get the nod because we are unaware of any plans to certify it for car use, a road the 6.0L is well down. For all intents the 5.7L is dead as the new Corvette will use a 6.0L engine in it’s place. This mid-model is likely to car the Z28 designation which will upset some Z28 enthusiasts, but follows the line with the Camaro’s recent history The top level V8 likely to again be called SS will also most likely be the 6.0L LS2 directly from the base Corvette. This engine making probably 10-20 HP less than in Corvette trim will make in the area of 390HP. The decision to use the SS designation follows GM recent trend of using the designation of the top performing car for each model. The car will also probably have some kind of affiliation with GM Performance Division. It is well known that Holden is designing it’s new VE cars to use 6 speed automatic transmissions, making them an obvious choice for the SS 5th Gen Camaro. The 6-speed automatic is actually simpler and cheaper to manufacture than a 5 speed design. There are rumors that team Corvette badly wants a paddle-shift setup to come from this design, but is exploring all options. This new transmission will be made at GM’s Willow Run plant that currently makes the 4L80-E and 4T80E transmissions. Four or Five Speed Autos will be used in lesser models. There will also be a 6-speed manual offered for those who wish to shift on their own.
On the outside the new Camaro will be lower and more seductive than the current GTO. It will also feature styling elements from the SS Concept of this year. People familiar with the new car claim it has a chrome bar concurrent of newer Chevrolets, however that element is very much in limbo. Naturally, the interior will be fully modern keeping in line with the GM’s recent achievements. Interiors have been a hot topic on the auto scene the last few years, and GM understands that the Camaro needs to hit a homerun to succeed. Ergonomics will be inherently better that the 4th Gen cars simply due to the better design of the new chassis. Basic features debuting on cars such as the 2004 Malibu are sure to be considered for the new car, such as remote start, Displacement on Demand, and XM and MP3 Capable radios. It is actually cost effective for GM to include such features in the new car because they were already included in the overall architecture design which will be the structure for more expensive cars. The new car will also include ABS and a revised traction control system that will make the Camaro an all weather car. In reality anything is possible, because Sigma –Lite will be so widely used, pretty much all of GM’s parts bin of options will be engineered to work with it, making the cost to include them in a Camaro negligible, What all of this means is that the Camaro will receive levels of options and refinements that was never imaginable, because it rides on a platform designed to for cars that cost much more. Things such as roll up windows and manual locks will not even be considered because it is cheaper to just include the power options than do the engineering to include manual options. Higher end versions may include features such as On-Star that are highly profitable and compact enough to not hurt performance. If GM thinks that people will pay for it, GM will likely include it. This is great for buyers of the top level Camaro will get much more for their money than they did with the 4th Generation. Speaking of price, expect GM to price the Camaro similar to the 4th Generation Camaro, slightly more than a Mustang of comparable price.


If Ford decided to chase the Corvette with a 500HP Cobra, don’t expect a Camaro to chase it. GM feels that the Corvette will do a good enough job of disposing with the challenge. The price spread could likely run from about $20,000 to $37,000+ (In 2007 dollars) for a 400 HP fully-loaded Camaro. Considering in 2002 a base V6 Camaro started at $19,000, this is not much of a price increase. GM thinks it can sell a 110,000 units a year at this pricing through tapping such markets as past buyers, well off twenty and thirty something males, buyers put off by the retro Mustang, and in general anyone looking for amazing performance at a Chevrolet price. GM has committed itself to making the Camaro not only faster and better than the Mustang, but quite possibly on of the best performers in it’s price range.

Though this article is a representation of the current state of the new Camaro to the best of our knowledge, please remember the car is three years from hitting showrroms and some details may change. When the wraps come off the 2007 Camaro it will bring an end to what has been a classic struggle within GM to keep one of it’s classic nameplates viable in an ever changing market. Though there have been many people pushing for this new car within GM at various levels for the last 7 years, few on the outside will ever understand the hard work and struggle that went into bringing a new car to light. However, Rest assured however, the new car is one that will be worthy of the Camaro name, and more importantly, one that people will buy!


By: Branden Farthing
/ GM Inside News
Compiled with the Help of: Zane Merva Editor-GM-Trucks.com

[Harmon Rabb]

if Ford decided to chase the Corvette with a 500HP Cobra, don’t expect a Camaro to chase it.

say it ain't so :cry:

[Blade]

Originally posted by Berman
say it ain't so :cry: old article man. I remember that from over a year ago.

[Checkmate]

SS will be the top model.
size - think new mustang
weight - slightly heavier than 4th gen fbody
power - my educated guess a v6 model, 5.3L and one of the lsX motors coming. The HO SS model will be something in the neighborhood of the highest HP motor that GM has out right now.


Sadly enough it looks like the ls7 has a 2 year life, I was really hoping it would be around a lot longer. :(

GM does not need to compete with the gt500, just except it so you are not dissappointed.

[67Beast]

Originally posted by Checkmate
SS will be the top model.
size - think new mustang
weight - slightly heavier than 4th gen fbody
power - my educated guess a v6 model, 5.3L and one of the lsX motors coming. The HO SS model will be something in the neighborhood of the highest HP motor that GM has out right now.


Sadly enough it looks like the ls7 has a 2 year life, I was really hoping it would be around a lot longer. :(

GM does not need to compete with the gt500, just except it so you are not dissappointed.

That's pretty much what I've been reading on CamaroZ28 website. Although I haven't read much concerning the LS7.

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Checkmate
SS will be the top model.
size - think new mustang
weight - slightly heavier than 4th gen fbody
power - my educated guess a v6 model, 5.3L and one of the lsX motors coming. The HO SS model will be something in the neighborhood of the highest HP motor that GM has out right now.


Sadly enough it looks like the ls7 has a 2 year life, I was really hoping it would be around a lot longer. :(

GM does not need to compete with the gt500, just except it so you are not dissappointed.

I've read that Z28 will be the top model w/ SS as the volume performance model. Z28 will come out about 18 months after the base model/SS trim levels.

[WCFields]

I still say SS will have LS2 as the Trailblazer SS already does...so either the Z28 will be a top dog limited edition or a lower power V8...which I doubt. The LS4 is NOT a RWD block, so that is out.

It's a very easy stretch to see the S/C LS2 end up in a specialty model if the LS2 is already in the standard SS. I wouldn't expect the 505 HP they are currently running it at but 475~ would make for a GT500 killer if they keep the weight down.

I think a lot depends on the GT500 success, I find it hard to believe GM would not answer that if the answer is as easy as the S/C LS2.

[QWIKLS1]

Kinda wondering something outloud here... :hmm:

If "Camaro is the 3rd most recognized name in GM’s portfolio"... as per that article...

Corvette is definately one of the more recognizable names...

What else is more recognized than the 'Maro? :dunno:

[WCFields]

Impala?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by Ole1830
Kinda wondering something outloud here... :hmm:

If "Camaro is the 3rd most recognized name in GM’s portfolio"... as per that article...

Corvette is definately one of the more recognizable names...

What else is more recognized than the 'Maro? :dunno:

Maybe, its a misprint. I'm thinking that Camaro is #2.

[Ravenous]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
Impala?

Cadillac? I realize that Caddies have individual models but the lay person doesn't really distinguish that much.

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by MapleRed
Maybe, its a misprint. I'm thinking that Camaro is #2.

Camaro is #3, I have no clue what is #2.

[Trendkiller Z28]

Originally posted by Checkmate
Camaro is #3, I have no clue what is #2. I would guess Tahoe:yup:

Anyway, as far as a Cobra chasing down a Vette, won't happen. The Zoh in 08 is projected to be at 600hp and still around 3100lbs. Like a Cobra has a prayer:no:

I dono any facts, all of what has been said already is what I have heard. But, if a SC LSx is put in a Camaro I'm soooooooo fucking buying that shit:headbang:

[WCFields]

Originally posted by Trendkiller Z28
I would guess Tahoe:yup:

Anyway, as far as a Cobra chasing down a Vette, won't happen. The Zoh in 08 is projected to be at 600hp and still around 3100lbs. Like a Cobra has a prayer:no:

I dono any facts, all of what has been said already is what I have heard. But, if a SC LSx is put in a Camaro I'm soooooooo fucking buying that shit:headbang: I have a very hard time believing the rumors that they will add 95 HP in 2 years to the ZO6. The LS7 took developmental and certification money to bring to market... I find it hard to believe they would can it after only 2 years in a specialty Vette.

[Trendkiller Z28]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I have a very hard time believing the rumors that they will add 95 HP in 2 years to the ZO6. The LS7 took developmental and certification money to bring to market... I find it hard to believe they would can it after only 2 years in a specialty Vette. :shrug: I don't:)

[GMCtrk]

Originally posted by BlackLightn
I have a very hard time believing the rumors that they will add 95 HP in 2 years to the ZO6. The LS7 took developmental and certification money to bring to market... I find it hard to believe they would can it after only 2 years in a specialty Vette.

the cost of development you talk about was already done with the C5R program and the LS7 will pay dividends for GM long after it's production in the vette is over. One example is the LS7 heads will be the heads on the 6.2L truck engine. GM will produce millions of those heads.

[Fbodfather]

Originally posted by gettinthere
We need Scott Settlemire in here! He won't give away any answers though.

Either way I highly doubt we will see the LS7 heads on a Camaro of any kind. Those heads will only work with a big bore motor.

Here I am.

Lotsa bad info in here!



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[WCFields]

Comeon...throw us a few tiny tidbits. LS2, LS?????

[Fbodfather]

Originally posted by Ole
Kinda wondering something outloud here... :hmm:

If "Camaro is the 3rd most recognized name in GM’s portfolio"... as per that article...

Corvette is definately one of the more recognizable names...

What else is more recognized than the 'Maro? :dunno:

actually, that was a misunderstanding.

The true statement is "The Camaro nameplate is one of the top five most recognized nameplates in the INDUSTRY"

This was based on Alison-Fisher measurements of Brand Awareness.

Interestingly, while the Camaro has been out of production for over three years now, the measurements have been pretty consistent.

[Whut]

Originally posted by Fbodfather
Here I am.

Lotsa bad info in here!



:hide:

You gotta clear it up then. :)

Oh yeah, please kick anyone in the head over at Buick if they decide to crap out a car and call it a GN. :D

[jr. gong]

Originally posted by Whut
You gotta clear it up then. :)

Oh yeah, please kick anyone in the head over at Buick if they decide to crap out a car and call it a GN. :D

:werd:

Don't leave us hanging.. :(

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by Fbodfather
Here I am.

Lotsa bad info in here!



:hide:

Just make sure the price is right, that means more to me than a lot of the other 'stuff'. :D

[HiImSean]

i thought a while ago someone said that in a few years the LS2 wont be made anymore and will be substituted with a slightly bigger engine?

[MapleRed]

Originally posted by HiImSean
i thought a while ago someone said that in a few years the LS2 wont be made anymore and will be substituted with a slightly bigger engine?

Who knows at this point? Could be an LS2, or one of GM's upcoming V8's.

[Pillamyd]

well, i THINK it will have IRS... just a guess ;) no one posted in here since those shots were exposed..

[Whut]

And those shots will not be posted in here per Scott and GM's request.

[ssowned]

I think they will keep with the current trend of how vehicle models are offered:

The SS will be the most prominent model because that is how the SS tag is being used these days.

They have to price these cars right, because it would be a mistake to once again price themselves far more expensive than the Mustang. They have also got to make a huge splash and follow through with some great marketing. The marketing has to be positioned for enthusiasts, but also to capture the attention of other audiences.

Base Camaro - V6
z28 Model - LS2 (or next generation LSX)
SS Model - LS2 (or next generation LSX) w/ different cam profile and styling

However, I wouldn't be too surprised if I saw a "special edition" like a ZL1 come out offering a large displacement motor like the 427cid LS7, or forced induction.