Is Caddy going to redesign their line soon (CTS-v query)? [Archive]

Rob Almighty

09-07-2005, 10:24 PM

Just a quick question that perhaps some of the general members might know the answer to...

I've started to seriously consider a newer sedan for the next couple of years and it's basically a toss-up between the 300C SRT-8 and the CTS-v. However, I'm somewhat concerned that Cadillac will redesign the CTS (and subsequently the V-series) within the next year or so, and I do not want an older model luxury sedan.

Any information as to when/if this is going to happen? It'll help me out, considering I'm going to look at a '05 CTS-v tomorrow. I want to be prepared.

Iowas Finest

09-07-2005, 10:35 PM

I doubt you will see a design change in the cts line for atleast another 3-4 years. Atleast.

SledNecK

09-07-2005, 10:40 PM

Actuailly I think there supposed to preview the new CTS in January. I think I read this on camaroz28.com board.

Rob Almighty

09-07-2005, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by ThirdGen88
Actuailly I think there supposed to preview the new CTS in January. I think I read this on camaroz28.com board.

Ugh...I'm not going to get a CTS-v if they're going to have a new body style the year after I get it. :mad:

Guess I'll have to wait and/or do more research.

2002BLueWs6

09-07-2005, 10:43 PM

SRT-8> CTS-V:D

SledNecK

09-07-2005, 10:44 PM

Found it :D

Linky (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384092&highlight=2007+cts)

Rob Almighty

09-07-2005, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by 2002BLueWs6
SRT-8> CTS-V:D

I'm probably going to go with the SRT-8, but I'm not going to rule out the CTS-v. I just realized the '06 CST-v has the LS2 in it...hmm...

IREngineer

09-08-2005, 12:12 AM

New CTS in 2008...

Harmon Rabb

09-08-2005, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
I'm probably going to go with the SRT-8, but I'm not going to rule out the CTS-v. I just realized the '06 CST-v has the LS2 in it...hmm...

they need a version with the LS7 in it :D

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Berman
they need a version with the LS7 in it :D

That would, indeed, be badass. I just wonder how it idles. :hmm:

I'm really thinking the SRT-8 is the car for me...

Harmon Rabb

09-08-2005, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
That would, indeed, be badass. I just wonder how it idles. :hmm:

I'm really thinking the SRT-8 is the car for me...

do remember that the cts-v only comes in stick, and the srt-8 only comes in auto. it could be down to the choice of auto vs. stick.

i daily drove my father's 'beater' - a cts-v - all summer. i loved it. awesome car, great daily driver. i loved how well it handled and how it felt just connected to the road.

i've never driven a srt-8 so I can't compare. i do know that anybody wanting a stick shift sport sedan could not possible be disappointed with the V - and you can get a lightly used V for nothing. mid 30's I believe. :eek:

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Berman
do remember that the cts-v only comes in stick, and the srt-8 only comes in auto. it could be down to the choice of auto vs. stick.

i daily drove my father's 'beater' - a cts-v - all summer. i loved it. awesome car, great daily driver. i loved how well it handled and how it felt just connected to the road.

i've never driven a srt-8 so I can't compare. i do know that anybody wanting a stick shift sport sedan could not possible be disappointed with the V - and you can get a lightly used V for nothing. mid 30's I believe. :eek:

Well, I'd consider getting a 2006 so I could have the LS2...and I also like Stealth Grey and Steel Blue, so it would be one of the two colors...

I was originally not planning on even looking at the CTS because I was going to wait until I graduated to buy a car (preferably an E55 or M5). However, my financial situation is even better than it was earlier, and I can afford to drive around something a little nicer than my '02 Sebring.

Since I planned on moving to a house in a suburb around Dallas when I graduated, I didn't want a six-speed for a daily driver - considering I'd be in traffic every morning. However, since I'll be getting rid of whatever car I get around the time I start working full-time, I can get a manual since I live in the city (and I'm not worried about traffic).

I like the Chrysler's body style much more, though. They are both about the same in terms of acceleration, price, etc. It really comes down to looks and transmission.

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 12:35 AM

cts-v >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SRT8

just get an 05 CTS-V and wait until they come out with the new one:cool:

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Berman
and you can get a lightly used V for nothing. mid 30's I believe. :eek:

slighty used = 40k

25k miles + seems to be under 37-38k

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by needcash
cts-v >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SRT8

just get an 05 CTS-V and wait until they come out with the new one:cool:

Why? I'm not going to buy another CTS... :umm:

I'm debating between the two because I want to get one sometime before spring and keep it until ~2008. Then I am going to get rid of it and get either the E55 (or its replacement) or E60 M5.

I just don't want to buy the CTS and then a year later, there's a new model out...I'm not down with owning the older body style on a luxury sedan. :no:

Kal-El

09-08-2005, 01:01 AM

i dont think they are coming out with one soon.

Tony

09-08-2005, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by Kal-El
i dont think they are coming out with one soon.
See post #8; this man knows what he's talking about. Although it won't be new from the ground up, a heavily revised CTS is arriving for MY 2008.

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Tony
See post #8; this man knows what he's talking about. Although it won't be new from the ground up, a heavily revised CTS is arriving for MY 2008.

Any idea if the CTS-V will also be redesigned that same year?

Big Block Stingray

09-08-2005, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by 2002BLueWs6
SRT-8> CTS-V:D

SRT-8 = Auto ONLY... No thanks. :D

Minty Fresh

09-08-2005, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by 2002BLueWs6
SRT-8> CTS-V:D

:werd: Especially in looks! :yup: There's not many four door cars out there, that looks as bad ass, as the SRT8.

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Big Block Stingray
SRT-8 = Auto ONLY... No thanks. :D

An automatic is a blessing in traffic, especially on what will be a daily driven luxury sedan. :p

Big Block Stingray

09-08-2005, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
An automatic is a blessing in traffic, especially on what will be a daily driven luxury sedan. :p

True, I like to have that option. :D Both are great cars but will give more performance than luxury, I mean this IS Chrylser and Cadillac were are talking here.:D All jokes aside 2 great performance sedans.:yup:

BrightRedOne

09-08-2005, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
Well, I'd consider getting a 2006 so I could have the LS2...and I also like Stealth Grey and Steel Blue, so it would be one of the two colors...

I was originally not planning on even looking at the CTS because I was going to wait until I graduated to buy a car (preferably an E55 or M5). However, my financial situation is even better than it was earlier, and I can afford to drive around something a little nicer than my '02 Sebring.

Since I planned on moving to a house in a suburb around Dallas when I graduated, I didn't want a six-speed for a daily driver - considering I'd be in traffic every morning. However, since I'll be getting rid of whatever car I get around the time I start working full-time, I can get a manual since I live in the city (and I'm not worried about traffic).

I like the Chrysler's body style much more, though. They are both about the same in terms of acceleration, price, etc. It really comes down to looks and transmission.

Your in Texas now right?
You do realize ~45k'ish on an autoloan is about the same as a good rate on a 30 year mortgage for about ~160k.

I'd buy the house first keep the Sebring another 1-2 years.
I should of took my own advice and got the home first too, I could have 2-3 homes by now instead. Taking a 50k loan or lease will put a small dent in short term debt to income.

GMCtrk

09-08-2005, 02:25 AM

SRT-8 easily over the CTS-V....one looks completely badass and one looks like a box

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by BrightRedOne
Your in Texas now right?
You do realize ~45k'ish on an autoloan is about the same as a good rate on a 30 year mortgage for about ~160k.

I'd buy the house first keep the Sebring another 1-2 years.
I should of took my own advice and got the home first too, I could have 2-3 homes by now instead. Taking a 50k loan or lease will put a small dent in short term debt to income.

There are complications. First, I didn't say I couldn't have the house and the car at the same time, so that's really a non-issue. :p

There are a few reasons why I'm thinking about waiting to buy. First, I live in an apartment in the middle of Dallas - about a mile and a half from my law school.

The houses I am looking at are located in suburbs that are twenty, thirty, even forty minutes removed from the city. I don't want a commute of that length to school. Work is completely different; I have no issue driving thirty minutes every morning. I do, however, have an issue doing that while I'm still a student.

I've had suggestions to simply buy a townhouse in Dallas and build equity here until I decide to move, but I really don't know if I'm up to moving three times in three years...I haven't decided if the hassle is worth it.

Dwarf Killer

09-08-2005, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
Just a quick question that perhaps some of the general members might know the answer to...

I've started to seriously consider a newer sedan for the next couple of years and it's basically a toss-up between the 300C SRT-8 and the CTS-v. However, I'm somewhat concerned that Cadillac will redesign the CTS (and subsequently the V-series) within the next year or so, and I do not want an older model luxury sedan.

Any information as to when/if this is going to happen? It'll help me out, considering I'm going to look at a '05 CTS-v tomorrow. I want to be prepared.

CTS is rated one of the best cars by Consumers Reports. Its value should remain pretty good for awhile. I don't see the Cadillac looking dated for a few years either since most manufacturers have copied the edgy styling.

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Dwarf Killer
CTS is rated one of the best cars by Consumers Reports. Its value should remain pretty good for awhile. I don't see the Cadillac looking dated for a few years either since most manufacturers have copied the edgy styling.

It won't necessarily look dated, but if there's a newer version, I don't want the older one. :wall:

Tony

09-08-2005, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
Any idea if the CTS-V will also be redesigned that same year?

CTS-V will not likely debut with the next-gen CTS. As is typical of almost all GM introductions, you'll have to wait a year for the hotted-up version

Tony

09-08-2005, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
It won't necessarily look dated, but if there's a newer version, I don't want the older one. :wall:

If the rumours are correct, the next gen will water down the Art & Science design theme somewhat. Picture a softer and sleeker version of the current body.

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Tony
If the rumours are correct, the next gen will water down the Art & Science design theme somewhat. Picture a softer and sleeker version of the current body.

:hmm:

Since the "new" CTS is slated for 2008, that means they'll be availible in mid-2007. If the new CTS-V won't be released until '09, that means they'll be out in mid-2008.

:hmm:

That means the CTS-V can still be in the running, because I won't own the "old" version, if I get one. :p

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 03:15 AM

then get the CTS-V

300Cs/srt8s/magnums/blah are too trendy for me. You know how you dont want the "old"model? Well I dont want anything trendy. Like H2 hummers, escalades, denalis, etc...If rappers flaunt them, i dont want them:D Id rather have a standard tahoe and put escalade seats/dash/centerconsole etc. in there

yeah, im weird like that

BCinU

09-08-2005, 03:21 AM

Go for the SRT-8. I just ordered one this week. :D

The lease on my Q45 was up last month, and I was naive enough to think I'd be able to just jump into an SRT-8. The dealers all have them, but they want $5,000 - $7500 over MSRP. The only way to get one at sticker or better was to order it. Got my wife the QX56, and I'm driving her Expedition for a few months.

The CTS-v is a very nice car, but the SRT-8 is (IMHO) better looking and the larger size is a plus. There's not enough to distinguish the CTS-v from the CTS. :shrug:

Now, the STS-v... :hmm:

gdu

09-08-2005, 03:22 AM

the new CTS will be a 2008MY released in '07 I think. I posted pics of the new one in one of needcash's random threads. The V series version of it will not be offered in the initial year of production.

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 03:23 AM

oh, no one mentioned this yet but what about gas milage? Arnt the SRT8s HOGS like no others?

gdu

09-08-2005, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by needcash
oh, no one mentioned this yet but what about gas milage? Arnt the SRT8s HOGS like no others? yeah, and the CTS is only a little bit better from what I remember but I bet the LS2 one will get better than the LS6 version

Big Block Stingray

09-08-2005, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by needcash
oh, no one mentioned this yet but what about gas milage? Arnt the SRT8s HOGS like no others?

Yep no DOD w/ STR-8.

AND not to mention the modabilty of the LS6:o

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by Big Block Stingray
Yep no DOD w/ STR-8.

AND not to mention the modabilty of the LS6:o

:cool:

side note: hows your car doing?:confused: from the floods and all

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Big Block Stingray
Yep no DOD w/ STR-8.

AND not to mention the modabilty of the LS6:o

I'm not modding my daily driver luxury sedan, especially one that I'm going to toss in ~3 years. If I end up with one or the other, the most they'll see is a Corsa or MagnaFlow cat-back. :p

oh, no one mentioned this yet but what about gas milage? Arnt the SRT8s HOGS like no others?

The sticker has them at 14/20. I don't care about gas mileage. If I did, I'd be looking at four cylinder Hondas.

yeah, im weird like that

I can see that... :umm:

Go for the SRT-8. I just ordered one this week.

Awesome! What color did you get? I am partial to the "Silver Steel Metallic" and I only want the second option group (DVD navigation). I, too, would build and order one were I to go with the SRT-8.

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 03:45 AM

Dammit, now my thread is going to die, because it's in this no-name sub-forum that nobody visits.

:ripped:

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 03:53 AM

it sort of sounds like youve already decided on the SRT8

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by needcash
it sort of sounds like youve already decided on the SRT8

It's always been the favorite. It's just that I wasn't previously considering the Cadillac for transmission reasons. Since I don't have to worry about that for a few years, it became an option again. :p

gdu

09-08-2005, 04:05 AM

damn, your thread just got the shaft. I didnt even know this forum existed.

DrEvyl

09-08-2005, 04:12 AM

It didn't until a few minutes ago.

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 04:17 AM

What caused such a forum to be created? My incredible thread? :umm: :p

DrEvyl

09-08-2005, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
What caused such a forum to be created? My incredible thread? :umm: :p

The need for a forum about GM stuff that wasn't full of information about everything else. I dunno about anyone else, but I would like to get news about the Z06, a new Camaro, and other new cars from GM without it turning into a conversation about Fords.

Kal-El

09-08-2005, 02:04 PM

:werd: btw :woot: :woot: new forum

Rob Almighty

09-08-2005, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Kal-El
:werd: btw :woot: :woot: new forum

Yeah, like that's going to help this thread. :rolleyes:

Kata Skopos

09-08-2005, 03:36 PM

im still here:D

Harmon Rabb

09-08-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by DrEvyl
The need for a forum about GM stuff that wasn't full of information about everything else. I dunno about anyone else, but I would like to get news about the Z06, a new Camaro, and other new cars from GM without it turning into a conversation about Fords.

speaking of news on the new camaro, any word as to the engine choices?

IREngineer

09-08-2005, 05:58 PM

Nope, not really there yet. It looks like we will be surprised though...:cool:

Harmon Rabb

09-08-2005, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by IREngineer
Nope, not really there yet. It looks like we will be surprised though...:cool:

i saw something about a new series of lsx motors using the LS7 heads :drool: something about a 440hp version. put that in a new camaro ss :yup:

BrightRedOne

09-08-2005, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by MidnightZ28
There are complications. First, I didn't say I couldn't have the house and the car at the same time, so that's really a non-issue. :p

There are a few reasons why I'm thinking about waiting to buy. First, I live in an apartment in the middle of Dallas - about a mile and a half from my law school.

The houses I am looking at are located in suburbs that are twenty, thirty, even forty minutes removed from the city. I don't want a commute of that length to school. Work is completely different; I have no issue driving thirty minutes every morning. I do, however, have an issue doing that while I'm still a student.

I've had suggestions to simply buy a townhouse in Dallas and build equity here until I decide to move, but I really don't know if I'm up to moving three times in three years...I haven't decided if the hassle is worth it.

Ohh I'm not saying your not 100% capable of getting both at the same time. I just said it's typically better to buy the home first for a few reasons, the first being unless your already pulling 150k+ a year a 50k car note may put a small dent in your beacon, and debt to income and may cost you a few closing points and or a slightly higher APR, on your home since a car is seen mostly as a liability since it depreciates so much in the 1st/2nd years. Also the Feds keep saying they are going to keep raising the fed funds rate at a "measured" rate so I'd say mortgage rates (longeterm here I know they have dropped just a touch slightly) are only going to go up in the next 1-2 years.

Now a lot of people say Katrina may put a halt on the measured hike (at least the next one later this month I believe), but I don't think it will as inflation is a bigger worry right now imo.

I just think it's smarter to get the home first. But I know how tempting toys are. It cost me to make the same mistake. :)

Harmon Rabb

09-08-2005, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by BrightRedOne
Ohh I'm not saying your not 100% capable of getting both at the same time. I just said it's typically better to buy the home first for a few reasons, the first being unless your already pulling 150k+ a year a 50k car note may put a small dent in your beacon, and debt to income and may cost you a few closing points and or a slightly higher APR, on your home since a car is seen mostly as a liability since it depreciates so much in the 1st/2nd years. Also the Feds keep saying they are going to keep raising the fed funds rate at a "measured" rate so I'd say mortgage rates (longeterm here I know they have dropped just a touch slightly) are only going to go up in the next 1-2 years.

Now a lot of people say Katrina may put a halt on the measured hike (at least the next one later this month I believe), but I don't think it will as inflation is a bigger worry right now imo.

I just think it's smarter to get the home first. But I know how tempting toys are. It cost me to make the same mistake. :)

this man speaks the truth. purchase the house first. you're much better off. hasn't mattered for me but that's because if i'm not approved for the best rate on something i just have my father cosign for it :D his income is so high that nothing really puts a dent in his beacon.