gto sales up 18.65% in March to 719

[JCS30TH]

:confused: :dunno:

Total to date

Dec 79
Jan 476
Feb 606
Mar 719

Total 1,880

% of Projection 10.44% Man if they are going to make 18k, there are going to be some hot sales months coming up :dunno:

Delivery should be worked out now, weather getting better, reports of inventory building :2guns:

I guess maybe those +5 to 10k msrp's will start to go away and some incentives will show up? Good news for the guys holding out..

[derf]

They've already said they're not going to make 18K due to early production problems. Current estimate is 16K.

They've got until November or December before the 2005 models show up. There will probably be some on dealer lots into the first few months of 2005.

The markups are already starting to dissapear.

Those of us smart enough to buy from a dealer without a markup from the begining have been enjoying ours for quite some time now. I'd hate to be one of the people who waited for no real reason.

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by derf
They've already said they're not going to make 18K due to early production problems. Current estimate is 16K.

They've got until November or December before the 2005 models show up. There will probably be some on dealer lots into the first few months of 2005.

The markups are already starting to dissapear.

Those of us smart enough to buy from a dealer without a markup from the begining have been enjoying ours for quite some time now. I'd hate to be one of the people who waited for no real reason.

That is just over a 1% variance, they are still going to need some strong sales months. I expect the 1st year sales to fall well below target.

A first year introduction car like this has a different sales period than most.

First you have pent up demand from people like you who saw enough of the car to know they wanted it.

Then you have the general target market who fills in behind. These are the people who are shopping different models. It would seem logical to me that a lot of these buyers could have been turned off by the solid gold dealer marketing and high +msrp's.

Later in the year you will have the 05 on the horizen and possibly some more desirebale changes :dunno: so the last few months of the 04 will be left to those looking to get a better deal.

But there could be a perfect storm around teh corner too. Warmer months ahead, inventory built up and dealers willing to deal on pricing. Should be interesting to see what happens

[Jeffro]

Sales aren't the problem. I think the biggest problem is that there still aren't a lot of cars on dealers lots. I still haven't received my 2nd GTO. It's in transit now and should be on the west coast but still. I check the locater and there are BIG dealers here in Texas that only have 1 or 2 in stock.

They're going to have to get the cars to the dealers for them to sell them.

[JCS30TH]

Hmm I have seen some post where they are stacking up a certian dealers? Maybe their dealer allocations are not in accordance to where the market is? What is thier basis of allocation?

[derf]

Originally posted by JCS30TH
What is thier basis of allocation?

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:D

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by derf
http://www.alkarbilliards.com/images/1525.jpg

:D


:haha: :haha: :eek:

[Jeffro]

You hit the bullseye there Derf.....no pun intended. Well maybe. :cool:

There are large dealers that have a lot of them allocated. Vista Ridge in Dallas has over 40 allocated but only 2-3 on the ground. I have 3 allocated with 0 on the ground. :mad:

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by Morpheus
You hit the bullseye there Derf.....no pun intended. Well maybe. :cool:

There are large dealers that have a lot of them allocated. Vista Ridge in Dallas has over 40 allocated but only 2-3 on the ground. I have 3 allocated with 0 on the ground. :mad:

Damn, you guys a small dealer?

[Jeffro]

Ehh, we're not huge. We outsell both Chevrolet dealers in our area almost every month though. That really pisses them off too that a Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealer sells more. :D

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Ehh, we're not huge. We outsell both Chevrolet dealers in our area almost every month though. That really pisses them off too that a Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealer sells more. :D
LOL :Owned:

[rushhour]

I question even the 16K target. As I understand it the 05's will start production in Sept - that only leaves 5 months or less to come up with the additional 14K in inventory.

Plus, with the word spreading that the 05's will be more powerful - it may be that Pontiac is going to cut back even further on the 04 inventory to reduce the possible glut of 04 leftovers.

Considering the exchange rate right now with the Aus$ it may make economic sense to slow down and push the higher priced 05's.

Of course I have a vested interest in them not making that many - since I already got mine.

Just my .02

[UBDSLO1]

Originally posted by rushhour
I question even the 16K target. As I understand it the 05's will start production in Sept - that only leaves 5 months or less to come up with the additional 14K in inventory.

Plus, with the word spreading that the 05's will be more powerful - it may be that Pontiac is going to cut back even further on the 04 inventory to reduce the possible glut of 04 leftovers.

Considering the exchange rate right now with the Aus$ it may make economic sense to slow down and push the higher priced 05's.

Of course I have a vested interest in them not making that many - since I already got mine.

Just my .02

hmm. makes one wonder if there was a huge glut of GTOs that were not selling, what kind of deals one could get.:hmm:

[GTOJ]

Originally posted by Morpheus
You hit the bullseye there Derf.....no pun intended. Well maybe. :cool:

There are large dealers that have a lot of them allocated. Vista Ridge in Dallas has over 40 allocated but only 2-3 on the ground. I have 3 allocated with 0 on the ground. :mad:

Right now Morpheus we are sitting on 4 GTOs here at Sewell. I have sold 5 of them. We are still getting a few after that and we might be allocated a couple of more. I don't feel like GM is going to come even close to the 16K number that we are told they will have in the country. I wouldn't be suprised if the 05s hit in late October early November.

[Jeffro]

I dont expect them to hit that # either. I mean they've probably sold what, 2000-2200 max so far? Even if that's 50% of what's been imported so far, 5400 in 5 months. Let's say they do that for the next 7 months. That's a total of about 13k and I think that's high. They're gonna have to get on the ball and start pumping them out faster or they will fall short.

[mrgto]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I dont expect them to hit that # either. I mean they've probably sold what, 2000-2200 max so far? Even if that's 50% of what's been imported so far, 5400 in 5 months. Let's say they do that for the next 7 months. That's a total of about 13k and I think that's high. They're gonna have to get on the ball and start pumping them out faster or they will fall short.


Pumping them out or having dealers actually deal them? If they have only sold half of what has been imported, that screams dealers asking over sticker or MSRP to me.

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I dont expect them to hit that # either. I mean they've probably sold what, 2000-2200 max so far? Even if that's 50% of what's been imported so far, 5400 in 5 months. Let's say they do that for the next 7 months. That's a total of about 13k and I think that's high. They're gonna have to get on the ball and start pumping them out faster or they will fall short.


I am confused? There are reports of many sitting on dealer lots? It doesn't seem like inventory is an issue now. Couple more days and we should know what April was.

Prolly hit 2500 or so. That leaves maybe 4 months or so, depending on model changeover. The stats so far suggest that they won't even come close to hitting the target. But it is getting warmer out and more dealers are selling below MSRP, so I think May and June will be the hottest selling months if there are going to be any.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by mrgto
Pumping them out or having dealers actually deal them? If they have only sold half of what has been imported, that screams dealers asking over sticker or MSRP to me.

Yeah and that's because there still isn't a lot of inventory out there. They're starting to come in more now. Dealers will stop with the markup nonsense once more are available. I mean I'd take all of them GM will give us but we have a total of 3 coming in. 3!! There are a lot of dealers that have gotten 1 and have no more coming in. That tells me that either a) Big dealers are getting all of the allocation, which is very likely or b) they aren't making near what they said they would which is also very likely. I think it's a little of both.

I know dealers though that are trading their GTO's off to other dealers to get Crew Cab Duramax Diesels. That's what's making the most money right now and they're almost as hard to come by as the GTO.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by JCS30TH
I am confused? There are reports of many sitting on dealer lots? It doesn't seem like inventory is an issue now. Couple more days and we should know what April was.

Prolly hit 2500 or so. That leaves maybe 4 months or so, depending on model changeover. The stats so far suggest that they won't even come close to hitting the target. But it is getting warmer out and more dealers are selling below MSRP, so I think May and June will be the hottest selling months if there are going to be any.

There are still dealers that have yet to receive their 1st GTO. We haven't even gotten our 2nd. It's in transit and it's the one I ordered for myself. Impulse Blue/Blue 6 speed. I'm not gonna buy it though. I like the car but with the LS2 coming, I'd have to have some serious rebates on this one.

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by Morpheus
There are still dealers that have yet to receive their 1st GTO. We haven't even gotten our 2nd. It's in transit and it's the one I ordered for myself. Impulse Blue/Blue 6 speed. I'm not gonna buy it though. I like the car but with the LS2 coming, I'd have to have some serious rebates on this one.


That is a damn shame people are waiting for cars at some dealers, while others are sitting on stock..

[derf]

There was a dealer in Dallas who claimed to have sold 25 at last count...

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by derf
There was a dealer in Dallas who claimed to have sold 25 at last count...


:eek: I would call him on it..

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by derf
There was a dealer in Dallas who claimed to have sold 25 at last count...

Possible. Not likely though. Vista Ridge is the only Dallas dealer with that kind of inventory and I'm not too sure that they've gotten 25 on the ground yet. But it is possible.

[DamnWS6]

i have yet to see a goat just crusin the streets in my area. but im the lookout.

[Jeffro]

I just checked and they have a total of 3 on the ground, 9 in transit and 34 in the order system that haven't beenbuilt yet.

[Y2KSierra]

Our local dealer has only had one in and it sold within the first few days a salesman told me. I keep checking in to see when the second one will be there but he keeps telling me they are hard to get and they are having problems even getting a second one in. I have yet to see the one that was sold out in town, so maybe he just made it up? :confused:

Anyway, i hope when they get the second one in there isn't some huge markup on it:mad:

[derf]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I just checked and they have a total of 3 on the ground, 9 in transit and 34 in the order system that haven't beenbuilt yet.

34 in the order system?

You need to get some of that action... :D

[Jeffro]

I'd rather have 34 Crew Cab Duramax's in system. :D

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I just checked and they have a total of 3 on the ground, 9 in transit and 34 in the order system that haven't beenbuilt yet.


maybe they are counting sold orders that have not been built?

Originally posted by Morpheus
I'd rather have 34 Crew Cab Duramax's in system. :D :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[GTOJ]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I just checked and they have a total of 3 on the ground, 9 in transit and 34 in the order system that haven't beenbuilt yet.

Yeah but saying they have sold 25 that are burning gas that is incorrect information.

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by JCS30TH
maybe they are counting sold orders that have not been built?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sold orders will not show up on my locater so they could have more than that. I don't think they've sold that many though. Vista Ridge is well known for marking these cars up.

[GTOJ]

I agree with that statement.

[JCS30TH]

Damn, how many Pontiac dealers do you have in Dallas? I have dealt with Sewell Pontiac, Vista? yours...

Man, you must have a crapload of delaers over theire

[Jeffro]

We're not actually in Dallas. We're about 60 miles N. of Dallas. There are about 10 Pontiac dealers in the D/FW area, maybe more that I'm forgetting.

[Bad Mojo TC]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Sold orders will not show up on my locater so they could have more than that. I don't think they've sold that many though. Vista Ridge is well known for marking these cars up.

Vista Ridge currently has a $2500 addendum on their GTO's but they are willing to waive it. That's where my girlfriend and I bought our Cosmos Purple and our Impulse blue on blue at.

[rushhour]

Okay the sales figures are out - the deliveries in April are only 650 units, bringing the grand total to 2,451.

Since these are deliveries only, is there any way to figure out what the actual number of in country units is?

In any event - this does not bode well for the 16,000 unit (down from 18,000) predictions. I can see maybe 10,000 units.

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by rushhour
Okay the sales figures are out - the deliveries in April are only 650 units, bringing the grand total to 2,451.

Since these are deliveries only, is there any way to figure out what the actual number of in country units is?

In any event - this does not bode well for the 16,000 unit (down from 18,000) predictions. I can see maybe 10,000 units.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

GM reports cars sold to the retail and fleet customers. I have verified this with them. It is TOTALLY ILLOGICAL that they would report deliveries to dealers as sales... Think man think.:rolleyes:

[rushhour]

So what is your point - "think man think"

Didn't I ask how many unit were in country versus deliveries.

[JCS30TH]

Originally posted by rushhour
So what is your point - "think man think"

Didn't I ask how many unit were in country versus deliveries.

You stated deliveries to dealers were reported as sales. This is not true and makes no sense

[Jeffro]

Originally posted by JCS30TH
:mad: :mad: :mad:

GM reports cars sold to the retail and fleet customers. I have verified this with them. It is TOTALLY ILLOGICAL that they would report deliveries to dealers as sales... Think man think.:rolleyes:

You are correct. GM only reports sales when the dealer reports a vehicle sold to GM. Just because a dealer orders a vehicle and it arrives at the dealership, doesn't mean it gets reported as sold.

[rushhour]

I guess I used the word "Delivery" in the wrong context. To me a delivery is a unit that went to the final customer, not the dealer.

That is why - I asked the question about the figure "in country" - which to me would be all vehicles - including dealer stock and units destined (ie in transit) to the dealer.

[StangStomper]

here in chicago, the local dealers have said that sales are way slower than expected, weird, the GTO is a pretty nice car for the money...although, they said the CTS-V figures are through the roof.