Doing some before and after mods with resulting times this week

[LS1redline]

This is for any of you who want to see what kind of gains can be had by ram air and better exhaust. I am taking my wifes car, '00 Camaro V6 with 3.42 gears, and doing several baseline runs today with a g-tech pro. Today I will install the ram air kit by SLP with k&n filter and later this week I will put on my brothers stock '02 WS6 low restriction cat back (he went with the SLP loudmouth). And then I will do the g-tech runs again and see what kind of gains happen.
Stay tuned for results.....

[Whitey]

cool, keep us posted

[LS1redline]

As we all know, the g-tech pro is not perfectly accurately by any means, but in the 6 runs I did today the times were all within .18 of each other. Theoretically, next time the times will be that much faster and we can still derive results. The times I had today feel way too fast unless a previous owner has done something to the car to make it faster, but they are consistant. Temp was in the 50's with overcast sky and 10-15 mph winds. I did the runs in opposite direction each time to avoid bias. The car is an auto so wheelspin was minimal off the line and launches were very consistant. I noticed if the car was in overdrive, the 2-3 interchange took longer for some reason than when put in drive.
Also, no passengers, and the car has very few options, so it is very light.

Run #1:
0-60: 6.56
1/4: 15.01 @ 94.9

Run#2:
0-60: 6.74
1/4: 15.16@93.8

Run#3
0-60: N/A
1/4: 15.08@94.4

Run#4
0-60: 6.67
1/4: 15.13@93.7

Run#5
0-60: 6.73
1/4: 15.17@93.8

Run#6
0-60: 6.55
1/4: 14.99 @95.3

[Whitey]

damn, the best I can get out of my 94 3.4 is 16.8.... but that is with 18x,xxx miles :D

[LS1redline]

I have seen some running 15.3-15.6 stock, and that was what I was expecting to run.

[99Camaro99]

the G-tech only bases it off a first gear WOT run if I remember correctly.

The V6 with 3.42s is a bat outta hell off the line but falls flat on it's face once it shifts to second. G-tech doesn't know that. See my sig for some real world figures. Yes I can drive....I've pulled consistent 2.11-2.12 60' on wearing down street tires.

edit: forgot mods aren't in sig. :p I have in a nutshell...intake (with ram air), catback, and hiflo cat.

[LS1redline]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99
the G-tech only bases it off a first gear WOT run if I remember correctly.

The V6 with 3.42s is a bat outta hell off the line but falls flat on it's face once it shifts to second. G-tech doesn't know that. See my sig for some real world figures. Yes I can drive....I've pulled consistent 2.11-2.12 60' on wearing down street tires.

edit: forgot mods aren't in sig. :p I have in a nutshell...intake (with ram air), catback, and hiflo cat.
Yeah I totally agree, however if the times remain consistant and become faster consistantly with the new mods, I can still provide people with useful info about undertaking these projects. I installed the ram air today and will be putting on the exhaust soon. You just never know with the g-tech, I did my brothers '02 WS6 last night and it pulled 12.92@114 and it has SLP loudmouth, Granatelli MAF, SLP air lid and bellows and hypertech tuning. So with an A4 car, this seems accurate by time but the mph seems a bit high. Oh well, we will see what happens.

[LS1redline]

Also, we know nothing of what the previous owner did to this car. This car can chirp 2nd, and I don't recall my friends '97 RS automatic being able to do that. So maybe it has other mods:confused:

[Calypso Coupe]

My freinds 3.08 car doesn't chirp second even with a shift kit and bigger converter

EDIT: It's got a muffler, descreened MAF, and CAI. 1997 3.8

Best ET of 14.9@89 with no serp belt

[hrspwr00v6]

my 00 y87 would bark 2nd with the stock 235 radials on it 255s stopped that prob. :-p

[Teufel Hunden]

My '98 will chirp 2nd.. course, it's an M5 car :D 3.23s in the rear and i'm running Kumho 712, 275/40ZR17s

[99Camaro99]

my 1999 V6 has torque management...wonderful friend that retards timing like a mofo during shifts to prevent that. If your's is chirping and it "seems" stock and it's an AUTO then you either have a thin/worn down tire or a shift kit on there.

[hrspwr00v6]

i have programming :-p:D

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by hrspwr00v6
i have programming :-p:D

or that too :p

It's ok my new car I'm gettin (no it's not an F-body) but it'll roast the tires through second gear stock :cool:

[hrspwr00v6]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99
or that too :p

It's ok my new car I'm gettin (no it's not an F-body) but it'll roast the tires through second gear stock :cool: :cool: :drive:

[ChillPhatCat]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden
My '98 will chirp 2nd.. course, it's an M5 car :D 3.23s in the rear and i'm running Kumho 712, 275/40ZR17s

:yup: my 97 will spin all the way through 1st with 275/40/17 G-Force KDW's... that's why I could only pull off a 15.6 @ 90 MPH last summer... I don't expect the Khumo's I'm getting to do it as bad this summer.

[panman79]

Does programming really make that big of a difference? How much time can you gain off of it and it will probably void a warranty right?

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by panman79
Does programming really make that big of a difference? How much time can you gain off of it and it will probably void a warranty right?

no, not much, yes in the order that you asked

You guys wanna waste R&D time in the V6 be my guest...I personally don't think it's worth it. Yes this is coming from a ex-V6 owner

[slow6inslo]

some cant afford to just sell a 6 and buy an 8... if we could; we probably would have done it by now... or at least I would of

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by slow6inslo
some cant afford to just sell a 6 and buy an 8... if we could; we probably would have done it by now... or at least I would of

hey look I can't afford the V8...but I realized that the V6 is going to be a bitch when it comes to gettin fast. I mean look how much stuff is faster out there already stock. Most cars stock can run low 15s already.

Good luck keepin up with me w/o forced induction or the happy bottle...but then again all I gotta do is turn up the boost. :D

[Korben]

All I have to do is hit boost in my 3.8L...and say bubye to your SRT.

[panman79]

won't be long before you'll be saying buh bye to your motor too

[hrspwr00v6]

not so true...
there is a boosted 6 in the stillwater ok area that ran 14psi for a few days, his engine is still fine, tiago has been running boost on his for like 2 years. several other people run boost too. and high levels at that. youjust gotta do the supporting mods so you *dont* frag your motor. if you just slap on a turbo and run 8 psi, your a fool, and your engine is going to barf its insides out just for you.

[99Camaro99]

Originally posted by Korben
All I have to do is hit boost in my 3.8L...and say bubye to your SRT.

All I gotta do is turn the boost up or put a bigger turbo in. :)

I already am running a motor that's designed to handle higher boost. :cool:

[1FSTSS]

id still like to spank some other cars with my 6, i think its fun to take something realy slow (no offense to any one) and make it quick!! tell you what its alot cheaper to get a 16 sec. car to do 14's than it is to make a 12 sec car go 10's!!

[LS1redline]

Update, I havn't had time to install the catback yet, I will here in a few weeks when school is done.

[LS1redline]

Update:

Just got the 02 WS6 exhaust installed on the wifee's V6. You can feel a little difference and both the low and high ends...but not as much as I felt with the Fast Toys ram air kit. But the Ram air kit didn't feel like it made any power down low, but the exhaust work did. I will g-tech it again this next week...weather permitting to see how much she gained.

[Teufel Hunden]

99Camaro99, you sound worse than a Dodge salesman. Do everyone a favor and stop pushing your little Neon... it's getting really annoying. This is a technical forum about 3.8 Camaros. This is not a Neon forum about how worthless the 3.8 is, as thought by the neon owners. If that's all you're capable of talking about, it would be better if you found yourself a neon website. You can talk about how stupid it is to mod a 3.8 over there, because around here no one wants to see you hijack another thread to talk about how incredibly cool and superior your car is.

[SehlraC]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden
99Camaro99, you sound worse than a Dodge salesman. Do everyone a favor and stop pushing your little Neon... it's getting really annoying. This is a technical forum about 3.8 Camaros. This is not a Neon forum about how worthless the 3.8 is, as thought by the neon owners. If that's all you're capable of talking about, it would be better if you found yourself a neon website. You can talk about how stupid it is to mod a 3.8 over there, because around here no one wants to see you hijack another thread to talk about how incredibly cool and superior your car is. :worship:

[99Camaro99]

surprised I didn't see this earlier. Actually I had helpful advice on page 1 and in other threads and if you look at the POST DATEs retard I posted most of that stuff BEFORE I bought the car and I still HAD the Camaro. I'm not saying the 3.8 is worthless, but for the ordinary person looking to have a fun car with some grunt under the hood, coupled with easy mod ability that gives good/great results, the 3800 is not the motor of choice. You're better off with something else that responds well to mods. I mean c'mon the only big mods for the 3800 are headers, cam, nitrous, and forced induction, with headers being the only "slightly easy" mod that doesn't sacrifice reliability in the long run.

Call me what you want. Pick on me for my car be my guest...but keep in mind I still stick around here and on ls1.com to give any helpful input I can on this car. If you don't like my blunt advice, don't read it.

Oh and Brady...I'll see ya at the finish line big boy :drive:

[Whitey]

keep it civil. that is all i will ask.

this is a small home for the v-6 and that's why i don't kill any non-tech threads. So with that said let's all keep it a nice little home. :cool:

:drunk2:

[SehlraC]

Tony, your POS neon isn't the greatest thing in the world. Hell, at 1/2 the psi you are at I could prolly beat you :rotfl:. If you think speed is what a car is all about, you can't really appreciate a car for what it is worth. I don't brag about smoking base model neons in my camaro, why would you brag about smoking base model camaros in your SRT-4?

Your exhaust and intake mods show that you didn't really experiment with your car at all. If you can't knock at least a second off your stock time, you really have no business saying what the engine can and cannot do out of your own experiences. You may be able to present information about the 3.8 here in this forum, but no one really wants to read it because all you do is knock the 3.8 because you think neons are better cars. If I sold my camaro, bought a '87 civic hatch back and dumped 10 grand into it to make it run 11's, would it be a better car than my camaro because it is faster? Not really. My personal preference is the camaro, i'd take it over any honda or neon. Period.

Oh and btw, I parked next to a Neon today when I went to a bank. That thing had some sweeeeeeet hubcaps. :cool:

[99Camaro99]

Brady, you act like you are the "know all." I can tell you I know more about that 3800 than you will ever know. I'm not the know all (Teufuel and James and a few others obviously know way more) but don't get me started on that.

Brady....displacement wins so it doesn't matter what you say there. My turbo just levels out the playing field. Just like the 03 Cobra slapped a blower on it's 4.6 to compete with a 5.7. Also my turbo's about the size of a blow dryer...it's advantage is low turbo lag...the con...need more boost to get the same effect of a larger turbo. Give me a larger turbo and I'll walk you with 7psi on that.... :p

Notice Brady in my LAST post to counter you and Teufel I did not ONCE bring up the SRT-4 so why are you? If you'd like to now...I'm faster in acceleration, faster in braking, I hanlde better, I get better gas mileage, and I'm newer so shut the fuck up.

As for all you other V6ers...don't mind me and Brady. I'm still sticking around to help. Just please don't bring her up anymore (my SRT-4) and I won't either. It's a moot subject here (in the V6 forum) anyways. I'm sure we can all help each other out in the long run if the two of you would get over yourselves and my car.

[Whitey]

Brady, make sure you read my post above yours. I posted it while you were writing that book :D

BTW - Neons are for :fluffy: :D

[Whitey]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99
Notice Brady in my LAST post to counter you and Teufel I did not ONCE bring up the SRT-4 so why are you? If you'd like to now...I'm faster in acceleration, faster in braking, I hanlde better, I get better gas mileage, and I'm newer so shut the fuck up.

As for all you other V6ers...don't mind me and Brady. I'm still sticking around to help. Just please don't bring her up anymore (my SRT-4) and I won't either. It's a moot subject here (in the V6 forum) anyways. I'm sure we can all help each other out in the long run if the two of you would get over yourselves and my car.

Did you not read my post?

if not go back and read it. if so, try to remember it.

[99Camaro99]

I'm fine until they brought it up whitebird94. Reread the entire thread.

[Whitey]

I have. but i made a blanket statement to all, and from that point on it is how it should be

[99Camaro99]

sounds good. :cool:

My opinions still stand in all prior posts however.

[SehlraC]

Originally posted by Whitebird94
Brady, make sure you read my post above yours. I posted it while you were writing that book :D

BTW - Neons are for :fluffy: :D Saw it, that's why I haven't said anything since :). I have plenty more to argue with Tony but it won't happen here ;) .

[Whitey]

thanks, much appreciated

[5.0THIS]

Originally posted by 99Camaro99
Call me what you want.

Better not tempt people........ I'm sure people in here dont think too highly of you at this point. Just remember, doesnt matter how fast your car is, it's still a neon, and I'd take a 14 second camaro over a 10 second neon any day, like I'm sure a lot of people would.

Have a nice day :wave2:

[Whitey]

hat to do it, but this thread is not going to get any better.

:(