Why couldnt Chevy put the LS6 in the Camaro?

[Blk00z28]

I'm not talkign about the normal LS6, because most of us know theres hardly any difference. I'm talkign about the Z06 LS6 the 405hp one.

Its somewhat sad to know that the Cadilac CTS-V has 400hp and runs low 13's but Chevy wouldnt stick the 400hp engine in the Camaro or Firebird.

For those that dont know the caddy I'm talking about this is a pic, and the link. http://www.cadillac.com/images/models/ctsv/gallery/photoExt1_med.jpg
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/gallery.jsp?model=ctsv

Although they clame its a limited production car, why couldnt they do it with the Camaro, and I know someone will say, well they did with the 400hp ZL1. But I'm talking about maybe a $8k option for it.

How do you guys feel about this caddy?

[blaSSt]

They could have, but it didn't make economic sense.

The F-body was being phased out. As a manufacturer it would have cost big $$ to get it through all the approvals.

Why do that when it's about to go away. 1997 was the last year they decided to make a special run with the LT4's. GM left it up to the aftermarket companies like GMMG.

[Scotty]

Originally posted by blaSSt
They could have, but it didn't make economic sense.

The F-body was being phased out. As a manufacturer it would have cost big $$ to get it through all the approvals.

Why do that when it's about to go away. 1997 was the last year they decided to make a special run with the LT4's. GM left it up to the aftermarket companies like GMMG.
That's just about it. :)

[LS1_Disciple]

Originally posted by Blk00z28
I'm not talkign about the normal LS6, because most of us know theres hardly any difference. I'm talkign about the Z06 LS6 the 405hp one.


What is a "normal" LS6? As far as I know, there's only one. In 2001-2004 it was in the Z06 and in 2004 it was also added to the CTSv.

I do wish GM had done like they did in 97 with the limited run of LT4s. I can understand why they didn't, but I don't have to like it :cool:

[MeentSS02]

Originally posted by LS1_Disciple
What is a "normal" LS6? As far as I know, there's only one. In 2001-2004 it was in the Z06 and in 2004 it was also added to the CTSv.

I do wish GM had done like they did in 97 with the limited run of LT4s. I can understand why they didn't, but I don't have to like it :cool:

I think by "normal" LS6 he meant just the LS6 block, as opposed to the whole package. I would have liked to see the LS6 for SSs, Hawks, and WS6s too...would have made them that much more special in their last year.

[stoleit]

well why spend 50k for a z06 when you can have a 30k f body that has same performance? same argument about why did they restrict the fbody and let the vette get all the fame...all marketing. when you pay more money you want to know that you can beat something 20k less than you.

[MeentSS02]

Originally posted by stoleit
well why spend 50k for a z06 when you can have a 30k f body that has same performance? same argument about why did they restrict the fbody and let the vette get all the fame...all marketing. when you pay more money you want to know that you can beat something 20k less than you.

I wouldn't necessarily go drawing parallels between the performance of a Z06 and an F-bod...maybe between a regular C5 and an F-bod. The Z06 is pretty far out of a stock F-body's league.

[Blk00z28]

Originally posted by LS1_Disciple
What is a "normal" LS6? As far as I know, there's only one. In 2001-2004 it was in the Z06 and in 2004 it was also added to the CTSv.

I do wish GM had done like they did in 97 with the limited run of LT4s. I can understand why they didn't, but I don't have to like it :cool:

Normal, I ment the engine thats in all vettes other then the Z06, its the LS6 vs teh engine in the f-bod LS1 (Thats why I said there damn near the same now...)

Originally posted by stoleit
well why spend 50k for a z06 when you can have a 30k f body that has same performance? same argument about why did they restrict the fbody and let the vette get all the fame...all marketing. when you pay more money you want to know that you can beat something 20k less than you.

So how would you explain a Porsche Boxster S?
MSRP: $51,600 (USA)
MSRP: $73,450 (CAN)
Or just the plain Boxster..lol
It cant even beat the f-body 0-60.. So why would you spend that much on a Boxster and not get either the f-bod or the vette? (I'm just asking not trying to flame :cool: )

[blaSSt]

Originally posted by Blk00z28
I'm not talkign about the normal LS6, because most of us know theres hardly any difference. I'm talkign about the Z06 LS6 the 405hp one.

Another note about the "normal" LS6, the 2001 model year was rated at 385 hp and the 2002 was rated at 405 hp. After that the Camaro wasn't being produced anyway. Evidently you were only thinking about the 2002's.

Still the bottom line was that it didn't make economic sense.

[MeentSS02]

Originally posted by Blk00z28
Normal, I ment the engine thats in all vettes other then the Z06, its the LS6 vs teh engine in the f-bod LS1 (Thats why I said there damn near the same now...)

It seems to me like there is some wrong information floating around...IIRC, the Z06 is the only Vette that comes with the LS6. The C5s still have the LS1 (for now obviously), as do the F-bodies. Some of the later F-bods and all of the most recent C5s have the LS6 BLOCK, but it is still an LS1.

Bottom line: LS6 BLOCK does not = LS6 engine

The LS6 engine has better heads, a different cam, better valvetrain, etc.

[Blk00z28]

I dont know about that Meent, if you go to a Chevy dealer, they state very clearly that all Corvettes have a LS6, just the Z06 has some different parts and a hp rating. Because I had a problem with the dealer I tried to get a intake mainafold bolt from, I told them it was the same damn intake mainafold, just the egr was removed for the LS6, and the guy and lady behind the counter said it wasnt.

(and ya I guess I was talkign about the 02's and back, I didnt know it went up from 350 to 385, or mayeb I did just forgot, thats for telling me though.)

[MeentSS02]

Originally posted by Blk00z28
I dont know about that Meent, if you go to a Chevy dealer, they state very clearly that all Corvettes have a LS6, just the Z06 has some different parts and a hp rating. Because I had a problem with the dealer I tried to get a intake mainafold bolt from, I told them it was the same damn intake mainafold, just the egr was removed for the LS6, and the guy and lady behind the counter said it wasnt.

(and ya I guess I was talkign about the 02's and back, I didnt know it went up from 350 to 385, or mayeb I did just forgot, thats for telling me though.)

That just doesn't sound right to me man...dealer or not. It conflicts with everything I've ever read or heard. If that was the case, there would be no reason to get a Z06 over a regular C5...the Z06 package isn't just rims, a titanium exhaust, and FRC configuration...

[Blk00z28]

Originally posted by MeentSS02
That just doesn't sound right to me man...dealer or not. It conflicts with everything I've ever read or heard. If that was the case, there would be no reason to get a Z06 over a regular C5...the Z06 package isn't just rims, a titanium exhaust, and FRC configuration...
Well I could see them calling it the LS6, because likes like what stoleit said, why spend $20k more on something thats the same if not better. (ie: everyone thinking that the LS1 and LS6 are two totally different engines, when there really not, just different cam sizes and heads) Maybe if Xtrooper or one of those guys that know about about this, could come in here and say something it would help out.

[MeentSS02]

What?!? You don't trust my knowledge ;)

[tripleblack]

2001+ LS1s have the LS6 intake manifold.

[LS1_Disciple]

Ok guys, here it is. The Z06 is the only Vette that has the LS6 engine, no matter what any Chevy dealer said. Every other Vette has an LS1, same as the F-bods. In 2001, the LS1 engines starting using the LS6 intake manifold - that's probably why they told you it was the same (because it was, duh). Also, some 2001 & 2002 LS1s got the same block as the LS6. However, LS6 intake manifold + LS6 block does not = LS6 engine. The LS6 still has the advantage of a different cam, bottom end, heads, valves, etc.

In 2003, Chevy went exclusively to the LS6 block. So there is now effectively only 1 block and 1 intake manifold being used on Corvettes, regardless of coupe, convertible, or Z06. But you can't forget about the "guts" that make the difference.

[blaSSt]

Originally posted by LS1_Disciple
Ok guys, here it is. The Z06 is the only Vette that has the LS6 engine, no matter what any Chevy dealer said. Every other Vette has an LS1, same as the F-bods. In 2001, the LS1 engines starting using the LS6 intake manifold - that's probably why they told you it was the same (because it was, duh). Also, some 2001 & 2002 LS1s got the same block as the LS6. However, LS6 intake manifold + LS6 block does not = LS6 engine. The LS6 still has the advantage of a different cam, bottom end, heads, valves, etc.

In 2003, Chevy went exclusively to the LS6 block. So there is now effectively only 1 block and 1 intake manifold being used on Corvettes, regardless of coupe, convertible, or Z06. But you can't forget about the "guts" that make the difference.
:yup:

[LT1SS]

Well put. :cool:

[uLs1a]

They did not want an competition (sp) with he Corvette.

[XTrooper]

Originally posted by LS1_Disciple
Ok guys, here it is. The Z06 is the only Vette that has the LS6 engine, no matter what any Chevy dealer said. Every other Vette has an LS1, same as the F-bods. In 2001, the LS1 engines starting using the LS6 intake manifold - that's probably why they told you it was the same (because it was, duh). Also, some 2001 & 2002 LS1s got the same block as the LS6. However, LS6 intake manifold + LS6 block does not = LS6 engine. The LS6 still has the advantage of a different cam, bottom end, heads, valves, etc.

In 2003, Chevy went exclusively to the LS6 block. So there is now effectively only 1 block and 1 intake manifold being used on Corvettes, regardless of coupe, convertible, or Z06. But you can't forget about the "guts" that make the difference.

This is 100% correct. :cool:

[Checkmate]

They should have made a special edition package with the ls6 for the 02 Camaro/firebird. They should have also done something special for the Corvette being the last year of the c5 but again, nothing. :rolleyes:

[triggerjerk]

I agree they should have done it for a farewell. At least to give the fbod guys something for the then upcomming cobra;)
I'm sure they would have cost tons though. Think about it, GM wanted 4 grand over a Z28 for the SS's hood, spoiler and wheels and catback. What do you think they would have wanted for an LS6 option?

[Checkmate]

4k for the SS option. I believe it was right around 3200, plus there was some suspension stuff also. ;)

[Blk00z28]

ya I thought it was like $3300 or 3500 just to bump up to the SS, and then you added the cmu and all that stuff to make it around $4k +.

It wouldnt be bad if you could of ordered it with the Z28 along with the SS, I mean if the Z was $3500 less then you add a $5k engine option to it, in a stripper Z that thing would be king!!! $24k for the stripper and then $5k for the 400hp ls6.. :drool: :drool: