LS2 dyno info....straight off the showroom floor....

[TITAN]

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=893434

Lou Gigliotti and crew...brought home their brand new C6 and strapped it straight onto the dyno...also see page 2 for post header install numbers (no other mods).....

Joe

[JUS]

server ownage......lol




just tell us what it says. or email me the images & i will host

kelljm@comcast.net

[BiggieSmalls]

Just type the numbers until their server recovers. :D

[Dr.Mario]

we busted it :(

[SnowmanGT]

server is too busy....what are the #'s damnit :ripped:

[JUS]

Originally posted by KinKornKarn
we busted it :(


I would imagine its getting hit from all over he place.

[Hobbes]

BOooooooooooo :D

[PC PaiN]

details

[69stanger]

The C6 dynoed near 350rwhp and picked up nearly 30rwhp with the headers.

[HUGE]

Originally posted by 69stanger
The C6 dynoed near 350rwhp and picked up nearly 30rwhp with the headers.

proof!!

[PC PaiN]

Originally posted by 69stanger
The C6 dynoed near 350rwhp and picked up nearly 30rwhp with the headers.

:eek: damn nice

[JUS]

no. Mods

:D


*EDIT*


nice #'s

[HUGE]

somone rehost for the love!!!!

[spawn99t/a]

hmm thought it would have been more

[PMD Power]

somehow I woulda thought it would dyno more..

[HUGE]

graph!!!

[TITAN]

Sorry guys...it dynoed 343/335 bone stock with 45 miles on it...

After headers (and that's it, no tuning or intake)....

It made 372/379.....

I think the stock numbers are a bit low, as I know of some early GM release '05 GTO's making about 350/350 bone stock.....

Joe

[McRat]

Let's see a few more with at least 500mi on them before we pass judgement. Lou damn near dyno'd it on his way home from the dealer.

[TITAN]

Quote form Lou on corvetteforum....

"Hi Guys,
I will try to get here by 10:30 tomorrow.

Power before: 343 rwhp 335 rwtq
Power After : 372.7 rwhp 379 rwtq
( I let it cool down before the best run after)

Gain w LG headers 29.7 rwhp 44 rwtq
No tune, stock intake, stock mufflers

I will post up the graph tomorrow.

I still think the gains are valid since they are back to back. the numbers are in and it looks like we gained 29rwhp and 44rwtq. that is without a tune, and with 45 miles on it and stock muffler and intake. Just headers. The car feels very fast now and no wonder with 44ft pounds of torque increase. the gains start from the moment that the throttle is floored.

I will try to put an air bridge on tomorrow. I have to get my tech II updated to communicate with the PCM but right now we are at the mercy of the stock tune and whatever it wants to do with IAT readings etc.

thanks and I will keep you posted.

Lou Gigliotti"

[jdsgn]

almost 350 to the rear in a 3200 # car is pretty damn stout from the factory, thats as much as most Z06s dyno

[Deafcon]

30rwhp with just headers is awsome! The LS2 has a ton of potential!

[JUS]

those manifolds must suck. :think:

[Roush97]

wow those headers must be REALLY restrictive!

[TK_05]

Originally posted by JUS
those manifolds must suck. :think:

:yup:

does no one realize how much of an increase that is! good lord

are these things rated at 405? cause w/ an 18% percent drivetrain loss its exactly 405 w/ the numbers listed...

[Birdman]

2004 GTO looking better

[MKaz]

Originally posted by Birdman
2004 GTO looking better

Typo ? You must mean the 05 GTO ?

[69stanger]

but didnt they achieve those numbers by replacing or removing the cats???

still very impressive.

[SadbutTrue]

slightly underrated, about what i expected. very nice numbers, part of me was expecting them to ensure it would outdyno the cobra, but i guess that was wishful (not saying the C6 won't beat the Cobra handily, just... yanno... being a Ford fan i guess...)

[Blade]

A whole 30 rwhp over some stock 01-02 F-bods and vettes...

I'm not impressed.

I was hoping for more in the 380~rwhp range. Stock.

[TransAmDriver]

372rwhp not broken in, untuned with headers. :eek: It will be closer to the 400 mark once she breaks in. :eek:

[Get Shorty]

Originally posted by Blade
A whole 30 rwhp over some stock 01-02 F-bods and vettes...

I'm not impressed.

I was hoping for more in the 380~rwhp range. Stock.

Our cars were underrated. :yup:

[Blade]

Originally posted by TransAmDriver
372rwhp not broken in, untuned with headers. :eek: It will be closer to the 400 mark once she breaks in. :eek: hopefully.

343rwhp is pathetic for all the hype they were giving it.

[Blade]

Originally posted by NJones
Our cars were underrated. :yup: Yup, mine dynoed at 315rwhp with lid, A4 too. (dynojet)

Not bad for a 2000 model.

[jdsgn]

there is nothing wrong with a 350 rwhp, in a 3200 # car that is equivalent to having 400 rwhp in a 3650-3700# Fbody, along with better ergonomics, handling and being a brand new vette, i don't see a problem. It still has the same target audience and too much power may scare a few away, if ya want more, thats what the Z06 is gonna be for

[DKenn08]

I've always heard that the ls1's needed a good amount of miles before they acheive maximum power levels. This C6 was dynoed with just 50 miles on the clock.

And if 30 rwhp is going to be the norm for adding headers...damn that is fuckin bad ass.

[Blade]

Originally posted by jdsgn
there is nothing wrong with a 350 rwhp, in a 3200 # car that is equivalent to having 400 rwhp in a 3650-3700# Fbody, along with better ergonomics, handling and being a brand new vette, i don't see a problem. It still has the same target audience and too much power may scare a few away, if ya want more, thats what the Z06 is gonna be for I was hoping for a significant underrating like they did with the LS1.

[Forcedinduction]

Originally posted by Blade
hopefully.

343rwhp is pathetic for all the hype they were giving it.

What hype? It's rated at 400 and puts down 343 to the wheels, not yet broken in. C5 Z06s put down around 355-360, broken in, and are rated at 405hp. It sounds to me like GM's hp claims for the C6 are right on the money - maybe even a little underrated. With a good driver I can see the C6 pulling very low 12s or better. Damn impressive for a base model and a friggin' bargain at $45K. Why the hate?

[Blade]

Originally posted by Forcedinduction
What hype? It's rated at 400 and puts down 343 to the wheels, not yet broken in. C5 Z06s put down around 355-360, broken in, and are rated at 405hp. It sounds to me like GM's hp claims for the C6 are right on the money - maybe even a little underrated. With a good driver I can see the C6 pulling very low 12s or better. Damn impressive for a base model and a friggin' bargain at $45K. Why the hate? I was just hoping for the LS2 to put down better numbers than a 03'-04' Cobra, stock. It doesn't and now i'm bitter.;)

[jdsgn]

Originally posted by Forcedinduction
What hype? It's rated at 400 and puts down 343 to the wheels, not yet broken in. C5 Z06s put down around 355-360, broken in, and are rated at 405hp. It sounds to me like GM's hp claims for the C6 are right on the money - maybe even a little underrated. With a good driver I can see the C6 pulling very low 12s or better. Damn impressive for a base model and a friggin' bargain at $45K. Why the hate?

i agree, on some sticky tires and driving the hell out of it, some may possible pull a 12.000 or 11.99 out of one on a cold day. Its a bargain and i saw one on the beltway the other day, we were dead stopped in two lanes of traffic to get off on 249 and this old 60 year old lady in a (something like SOM) C6 gets tired of waiting in line and merges back on the beltway, and lit up the tires, it sounded and looked awesome.:drive:

[jdsgn]

Originally posted by Blade
I was just hoping for the LS2 to put down better numbers than a 03'-04' Cobra, stock. It doesn't and now i'm bitter.;)

this is just one motor, not broken in yet, and ive seen 03s dyno as low as 330, all the way up to 375 or so, it all depends. the cobras are underrated from the factory, something ford hadn't done in a while. I can see a stock C6 broken in on a cold dry day putting 360 down. It is still summer so heat is a factor as well

[Blade]

Originally posted by jdsgn
this is just one motor, not broken in yet, and ive seen 03s dyno as low as 330, all the way up to 375 or so, it all depends. the cobras are underrated from the factory, something ford hadn't done in a while. I can see a stock C6 broken in on a cold dry day putting 360 down. It is still summer so heat is a factor as well I hope so.

[TK_05]

Originally posted by jdsgn
this is just one motor, not broken in yet, and ive seen 03s dyno as low as 330, all the way up to 375 or so, it all depends. the cobras are underrated from the factory, something ford hadn't done in a while. I can see a stock C6 broken in on a cold dry day putting 360 down. It is still summer so heat is a factor as well

hand built motors will do that for ya... hope yours wasnt built on a friday.. by some dude that was in a rush to make it home in time before dinner... ;)

[WCFields]

Originally posted by jdsgn
cobras are underrated from the factory, something ford hadn't done in a while. LOL, after the big over rating problem with the last Cobra's I don't think Ford will over rate a motor for a long time. :lol:

[69stanger]

why does every one say that the LS1 was universially underrated??

It was only underrated for the F-body. GM rated the output at 305 flywheel horespower when in actuality it had 350hp.

The vette on the otherhand was rated at 350hp and it had 350hp. So it was not underrated.

This new vette is rated at 400hp and it puts out 400hp, just like the old vette.

[984.6gt]

342HP/33XTQ stock, guess it was not underated like everybody thought, but headers sure did wake it up.

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by SadbutTrue
slightly underrated, about what i expected. very nice numbers, part of me was expecting them to ensure it would outdyno the cobra, but i guess that was wishful

:rotfl: yes, that was wishful.

but i'm still disappointed in those numbers as well. LS6's dyno more than that. And I expected better torque. Hopefully that was just a weak car. I was really hoping for 360rwhp stock.

[Dirk Diggler]

What is with the LS6 comparison. The LS6 was a worked over LS1 the LS2 will get its worked over LS7 or whatever the hell they call it and then you can compare that engine to the LS6 until then this motor perofrms better than the LS1 and is on PAR with the LS6. End of story.....

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by 69stanger
why does every one say that the LS1 was universially underrated??

It was only underrated for the F-body. GM rated the output at 305 flywheel horespower when in actuality it had 350hp.

The vette on the otherhand was rated at 350hp and it had 350hp. So it was not underrated.

This new vette is rated at 400hp and it puts out 400hp, just like the old vette.

:werd: x 100.

[HarassMe]

Originally posted by TK_05
:yup:

does no one realize how much of an increase that is! good lord

are these things rated at 405? cause w/ an 18% percent drivetrain loss its exactly 405 w/ the numbers listed...

actually... with an 18% drivetrain loss... if they dynoed at 342rwhp, then that would be around 417:cool:

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by HarassMe
actually... with an 18% drivetrain loss... if they dynoed at 342rwhp, then that would be around 417:cool:

Your math is wrong, if it was 18% loss. 342rwhp = 403.56flywheel.

[HarassMe]

Originally posted by Checkmate
Your math is wrong, if it was 18% loss. 342rwhp = 403.56flywheel.

then how come 18% of 403 = 72.5 and 403 - 72.5 = 330.5:confused:

i think my original numbers are right:help:

[Harmon Rabb]

Originally posted by HarassMe
then how come 18% of 403 = 72.5 and 403 - 72.5 = 330.5:confused:

i think my original numbers are right:help:

342 * 1.18 = 403

BUT your calculation makes sense too. wtf?

[Keyser_WS6]

Originally posted by Berman
342 * 1.18 = 403

BUT your calculation makes sense too. wtf?
18% of 342 is not going to be the same as 18% of 403. Hehe, I know it's been a while people, but come on... It can only go one way. ;)

Hence, if you're talking loss, you start from the higher number.

[HarassMe]

Originally posted by Keyser_WS6
18% of 342 is not going to be the same as 18% of 403. Hehe, I know it's been a while people, but come on... It can only go one way. ;)

Hence, if you're talking loss, you start from the higher number.

that's what i'm sayin...

you can't take a percentage of a number add it to the number and that be an equal percentage of the new number... it doesnt work that way.

i don't remember the formula for doing the percentages backwards... its been posted here before but if you take 18% of 417 you will see it is ABOUT 342

[Richard De Jonsano]

Those are pretty good #'s for a base Corvette.

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by HarassMe
that's what i'm sayin...

you can't take a percentage of a number add it to the number and that be an equal percentage of the new number... it doesnt work that way.

i don't remember the formula for doing the percentages backwards... its been posted here before but if you take 18% of 417 you will see it is ABOUT 342

My way was a little backwards but the numbers look more realistic to me. Actually I thought the loss % was around 15% now. :hmm:

[vin1382]

looks like a cavalier.

[nowkle]

what does the 385hp. z06 dyno @~335rwhp or so. anybody?

[SilverFlash]

hmmm damnit i want one :mad:

LS2 F-Bod that is :help:

[green97racer]

Originally posted by nowkle
what does the 385hp. z06 dyno @~335rwhp or so. anybody? with a 15% loss, it would be about 328 rwhp or so

[HarassMe]

Originally posted by Checkmate
My way was a little backwards but the numbers look more realistic to me. Actually I thought the loss % was around 15% now. :hmm:

if you assume 15% drivetrain loss, then your numbers are correct.

[nowkle]

Originally posted by green97racer
with a 15% loss, it would be about 328 rwhp or so

theoretically, yes 328 if you do the math. what do they really put out on a dyno:help:

[cm_ls1]

here is another ls2 car that was recently dyno'ed with low miles -

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198796

http://www.ls1tech.com/GTO/05GTOrear01.gif

http://www.ls1tech.com/GTO/dynoLS2gtoStock.gif

[MachoSavage]

Originally posted by TITAN
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=893434

Lou Gigliotti and crew...brought home their brand new C6 and strapped it straight onto the dyno...also see page 2 for post header install numbers (no other mods).....

Joe




http://www.lgmotorsports.com/events.php

Here is another dyno

The number are sort of a let down! Heck I was expecting the engine to be more underrated! 343rwhp ok even if it dyno's a 360rwhp

The Ls1/6 can do that with minimium mods!

I was hoping for more! The numbers do kinda suck for a new car that we thought would dyno hard a crap with out mods! Looks like the Cobra's will be hunt not only the z28/SS/TA/Formula/Ws6/C5s and C5 Z06's but the C6 as well

[TITAN]

Originally posted by cm_ls1
here is another ls2 car that was recently dyno'ed with low miles -

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198796

http://www.ls1tech.com/GTO/05GTOrear01.gif

http://www.ls1tech.com/GTO/dynoLS2gtoStock.gif

That was one of the pre-release '05 GTO's I was talking about....

Either those numbers are inflated because its a factory "hot rod"...or the LG vette's numbers are just low....we'll find out soon I guess...

Joe

[Checkmate]

Originally posted by HarassMe
if you assume 15% drivetrain loss, then your numbers are correct.

I guess they are, all I really care about is 1/4mile times.

[jmd]

That was quite a witch hunt on there, trying to play down what the headers did for the car. :lol:

[HUGE]

still wanna see the vette graph

[Carsnob]

I always do the HP coversion with

hp/.85 (manual) .80 (auto) = fly wheel hp.

ie 343rwhp/.85=403.5fwhp

[99 SH]

Maybe this guy lied about the bone stock dyno numbers so he could sell more headers?

:D

[nowkle]

Originally posted by 99 SH
Maybe this guy lied about the bone stock dyno numbers so he could sell more headers?

:D

damn, that is a good point!:eek:

[TITAN]

Originally posted by 99 SH
Maybe this guy lied about the bone stock dyno numbers so he could sell more headers?

:D

Hahahahaha.....

"This guy" is Lou Gigliotti......

Do a little research.....

:D

[Dirk Diggler]

LMAO@ the people who dont know who Lou is

[TreyZ28]

yum, midly tuned exhaust.

[99 SH]

Originally posted by TITAN
Hahahahaha.....

"This guy" is Lou Gigliotti......

Do a little research.....

:D

I know that Einstein. HE is the one who installed the headers that HIS company makes that HE will profit from.


:rolleyes:

[Dr.Mario]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
http://www.lgmotorsports.com/events.php

Here is another dyno

The number are sort of a let down! Heck I was expecting the engine to be more underrated! 343rwhp ok even if it dyno's a 360rwhp

The Ls1/6 can do that with minimium mods!

I was hoping for more! The numbers do kinda suck for a new car that we thought would dyno hard a crap with out mods! Looks like the Cobra's will be hunt not only the z28/SS/TA/Formula/Ws6/C5s and C5 Z06's but the C6 as well
but the c6 weighs a lot less then a cobra....the numbers sound about right without breakin....i bet with about 500 miles on it it'll be in the 350-360's at the wheels

[TITAN]

Originally posted by 99 SH
I know that Einstein. HE is the one who installed the headers that HIS company makes that HE will profit from.


:rolleyes:

Well if you knew anything about ls1/2 aftermarket stuff/racing, you would know that LG and Lou Giglitotti are one of if not the highest regarded LS1 experts/tuners in the country....he's not full of crap...he brought the car to the dyno and strapped it on then tossed on some LS1 headers with some fab work done to make them fit to see what kind of gains they would get....one of the reasons they did it was because of how restrictive the LS2 manifolds are...but I guess you'd actually have to know something about this indusrty or at least take the time to read the link posted at the top to understand that...

:rolleyes:

Joe

[99 SH]

Originally posted by TITAN
Well if you knew anything about ls1/2 aftermarket stuff/racing, you would know that LG and Lou Giglitotti are one of if not the highest regarded LS1 experts/tuners in the country....he's not full of crap...he brought the car to the dyno and strapped it on then tossed on some LS1 headers with some fab work done to make them fit to see what kind of gains they would get....one of the reasons they did it was because of how restrictive the LS2 manifolds are...but I guess you'd actually have to know something about this indusrty or at least take the time to read the link posted at the top to understand that...

:rolleyes:

Joe


Hey Joe

Did you see the smilie i posed after my original statement?

[TITAN]

Originally posted by 99 SH
Hey Joe

Did you see the smilie i posed after my original statement?

I did...did you see the smilie I posted in my next response?

[99 SH]

Originally posted by TITAN
I did...did you see the smilie I posted in my next response?

hmmmm......

perhaps i overlooked teh smilie.



:o

[99 SH]

at any rate....

If i can ever scrape enough dough to buy one of these things, I will buy the guys headers. (If he still makes them in 20 years)

:)

[TITAN]

Well LG definitely has some of the nicest headers in the market place....

However I am hoping that his C6 is just a low dynoing C6...I think that we might see them regularly dynoing closer to 350/350 bone stock....but we'll see soon enough I suppose....

[MapleRed]

Is Lou's Vette an A4 or an M6? I'm impressed w/ the gains from the headers but I am a little underwhelmed about the stock dyno #'s.

I think the GTO stock dyno is pretty good. I heard that this particular GTO was an A4. :think: If thats true than an M6 should go higher plus headers would equal at least 380 rwhp. :eek: But I'm getting ahead of myself. Its better to wait until these things hit the streets.

[TITAN]

Both Lou's C6 and that LS2 '05 GTO were M6's......

[JohnnyLS2]

Come on guys. Its not that hard to figure out.

C5 LS1 = 350hp, they made 350hp.
C6 LS2 = 400hp, this car is making right about 400hp with no miles on the engine. The piston rings probably haven't even seated correctly. I have my faith that the C6 LS2 will be between 415-430hp once they are broken in.

He said the car still has the factory muffler, etc. Im assuming the headers included the y-pipe and removed cats for that sort of gain, but I'm not sure.

With headers, an exhaust, and a lid these cars will make over 400rwhp, PERIOD. You can quote me and I am positive of this. With a weight of 3200 pounds these cars will dip into the high 11's with a shatty driver and possibly mid 11's with a great driver. This is just with a couple bolt ons. With maybe a little shot of juice or a blower, these cars will see 10's all day long. This is without even touching the heads and cam. :eek:

I'm impressed! Let's wait and see what happens after he gets some extra miles onto the car and has it tuned. This will be awesome!

[SlowLX]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
Come on guys. Its not that hard to figure out.

C5 LS1 = 350hp, they made 350hp.
C6 LS2 = 400hp, this car is making right about 400hp with no miles on the engine. The piston rings probably haven't even seated correctly. I have my faith that the C6 LS2 will be between 415-430hp once they are broken in.

He said the car still has the factory muffler, etc. Im assuming the headers included the y-pipe and removed cats for that sort of gain, but I'm not sure.

With headers, an exhaust, and a lid these cars will make over 400rwhp, PERIOD. You can quote me and I am positive of this. With a weight of 3200 pounds these cars will dip into the high 11's with a shatty driver and possibly mid 11's with a great driver. This is just with a couple bolt ons. With maybe a little shot of juice or a blower, these cars will see 10's all day long. This is without even touching the heads and cam. :eek:

I'm impressed! Let's wait and see what happens after he gets some extra miles onto the car and has it tuned. This will be awesome!

No Y pipes on the C6 :badpost:

[SlowLX]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
these cars will see 10's all day long. This is without even touching the heads and cam. :eek:



Hmm, sounds familiar :wall:

Call me when they go 8's on the stock longblock :p :jk:

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by OneBad93Z
No Y pipes on the C6 :badpost:

Sorry, I meant ORP. ;) I'm used to Fbody stuff.

He gained 27rwhp and 44rwtq by installing long tube headers with an ORP, no catalytic convertors, and the stock cat back with a muffler.

Thats removing a lot. Without a tune that will toss some hefty check engine lights!

[vin1382]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
Come on guys. Its not that hard to figure out.

C5 LS1 = 350hp, they made 350hp.
C6 LS2 = 400hp, this car is making right about 400hp with no miles on the engine. The piston rings probably haven't even seated correctly. I have my faith that the C6 LS2 will be between 415-430hp once they are broken in.

He said the car still has the factory muffler, etc. Im assuming the headers included the y-pipe and removed cats for that sort of gain, but I'm not sure.

With headers, an exhaust, and a lid these cars will make over 400rwhp, PERIOD. You can quote me and I am positive of this. With a weight of 3200 pounds these cars will dip into the high 11's with a shatty driver and possibly mid 11's with a great driver. This is just with a couple bolt ons. With maybe a little shot of juice or a blower, these cars will see 10's all day long. This is without even touching the heads and cam. :eek:

I'm impressed! Let's wait and see what happens after he gets some extra miles onto the car and has it tuned. This will be awesome!

:lol: reminds me of the old GTO hype up posts we used to have.

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by vin1382
:lol: reminds me of the old GTO hype up posts we used to have.

Some of you guys are fucking retarded.

The GTO is an LS1, with independant rear. It will post similar RWHP numbers as a C5 LS1 Corvette. You CANNOT dispute that. Now, the car weights 450-600 pounds MORE. Of course its going to be slower.

This Corvette is extremely light weight, makes the advertised power, and has a lot of capability.

Im not way off base at all. Look at McRat, he is running 11.70's and 11.80's with his bolt on Z06 (before he did his H/C) and his car is making damn near what this LS2 C6 made with 45 miles and a set of LT's and an ORP.

It's not that hard to understand. You guys are taking it out of context. The Corvette makes the power GM advertised. GM did it for the C5, and now with the C6. They are dead on.

Were you guys EXPECTING the C6 LS2 to be OVERRATED like a 98-2002 Fbody? They are different cars, get over it. Who the hell pissed in all your guys' Cherios this morning?

It's quite obvious the people that are being retarded about this are just driving around little 13 second cars. :rolleyes:

[MJSbossman]

All the C6 boys are sad their lil coupe isn't gonna beat the C5 ZO6. :boohoo:

[Bardiel]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
Some of you guys are fucking retarded.

The GTO is an LS1, with independant rear. It will post similar RWHP numbers as a C5 LS1 Corvette. You CANNOT dispute that. Now, the car weights 450-600 pounds MORE. Of course its going to be slower.

This Corvette is extremely light weight, makes the advertised power, and has a lot of capability.

Im not way off base at all. Look at McRat, he is running 11.70's and 11.80's with his bolt on Z06 (before he did his H/C) and his car is making damn near what this LS2 C6 made with 45 miles and a set of LT's and an ORP.

It's not that hard to understand. You guys are taking it out of context. The Corvette makes the power GM advertised. GM did it for the C5, and now with the C6. They are dead on.

Were you guys EXPECTING the C6 LS2 to be OVERRATED like a 98-2002 Fbody? They are different cars, get over it. Who the hell pissed in all your guys' Cherios this morning?

It's quite obvious the people that are being retarded about this are just driving around little 13 second cars. :rolleyes: :werd: .

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by OneBad93Z
Hmm, sounds familiar :wall:
Call me when they go 8's on the stock longblock :p :jk:

You fit in with my previous post.

I could give a shit less about an 8 second car. I drive my cars on the street. I expect them to be quick, handle nicely, stop quickly and turn heads, PERIOD.

Having a 10 second daily driven LS2 C6 is not hard to accomplish with a decent driver.

Let me point it out YET again.

2003-2004 Z06 LS6 = 11.80's - 11.90's. These cars are advertised at 405hp.

2005 C6 LS2 = 400hp, which is accurate. If the gearing, and the weight, etc. are the same it will hit the same numbers.

I predict the car will actually run a tad bit faster. The C6 has a higher redline, 500rpm's higher to be exact, which will be sweet and much better. Whats my reasoning for this statement? Well, with a C5 you have to shift into 4th gear damn near 50' before the beams. With the C6 and that extra 500rpm in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear you will most likely NOT have to shift into 4th gear. This would be extremely beneficial not having to shift into that extra gear.

Flame the C6 away. This was one independant test done, period.

Like I said, Im confident that with LT headers, ORP, Catback, Intake, and a tune will send this car above 400rwhp and into the mid 11's with a "McRat" style driver.

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by MJSbossman
All the C6 boys are sad their lil coupe isn't gonna beat the C5 ZO6. :boohoo:

Did you bother to read before you made such a retarded statement?

[SlowLX]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
You fit in with my previous post.

And you drove a 434 RWHP car into the 12's, what's your point?

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28

I could give a shit less about an 8 second car. I drive my cars on the street. I expect them to be quick, handle nicely, stop quickly and turn heads, PERIOD.

Obviously my post was disturbingly over your head. Somebody had mentioned the 03/04 Cobra so I made a joke about it (You know, Cobra's going 8's on the stock Longblock?) Sorry you didn't quite catch it.


Originally posted by JohnnyZ28

Like I said, Im confident that with LT headers, ORP, Catback, Intake, and a tune will send this car above 400rwhp and into the mid 11's with a "McRat" style driver.

Easy 13's with you on the stick right? :lol:

[MJSbossman]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
Did you bother to read before you made such a retarded statement?

WTF are you talking about? :huh:

[GMRL]

lets not forget that the IRS and Torque tube and all that stuff make for more parasitic loss.

[vin1382]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
Some of you guys are fucking retarded.

The GTO is an LS1, with independant rear. It will post similar RWHP numbers as a C5 LS1 Corvette. You CANNOT dispute that. Now, the car weights 450-600 pounds MORE. Of course its going to be slower.

This Corvette is extremely light weight, makes the advertised power, and has a lot of capability.

Im not way off base at all. Look at McRat, he is running 11.70's and 11.80's with his bolt on Z06 (before he did his H/C) and his car is making damn near what this LS2 C6 made with 45 miles and a set of LT's and an ORP.

It's not that hard to understand. You guys are taking it out of context. The Corvette makes the power GM advertised. GM did it for the C5, and now with the C6. They are dead on.

Were you guys EXPECTING the C6 LS2 to be OVERRATED like a 98-2002 Fbody? They are different cars, get over it. Who the hell pissed in all your guys' Cherios this morning?

It's quite obvious the people that are being retarded about this are just driving around little 13 second cars. :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol:

who pissed in YOUR cheerios! you seem to be the only one getting upset! I was merely commenting on the fact that in your post, you seem to have alluded to someone with a stock C6 could possibly be pulling off mid 11's. Just reminded me of when people said the GTO was gonna be underrated and it would definalty run a 12.9. thought it was funny...

:help:

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by vin1382
:lol: :lol:

who pissed in YOUR cheerios! you seem to be the only one getting upset! I was merely commenting on the fact that in your post, you seem to have alluded to someone with a stock C6 could possibly be pulling off mid 11's. Just reminded me of when people said the GTO was gonna be underrated and it would definalty run a 12.9. thought it was funny...

:help:

Well, I misunderstood what you were referring to. We are getting bench racers that are dogging the C6. The C6 WILL be an 11 second ride with a good driver, PERIOD.

[JohnnyLS2]

And you drove a 434 RWHP car into the 12's, what's your point?


Yup. I also drove a 330rwhp Camaro into the 12's as well, what's your point?

You're trying to say that I can't drive? Well. I happen to show real world numbers. My car is a STREET car. It makes A LOT of power, and I happen to have 18" rims with 275 rear KUMHO's street tires. My race weight is almost 3700 pounds. My car is heavy with the rims, stereo, 12 bolt, misc. stuff, etc. That is an excellent time for a STREET car in FULL TRIM. The car will do this back to back to back while hotlapping.

I drive 200 miles to the track, race, drive 200 miles home. I don't do any short belt tricks, etc. My numbers are real, unlike some people that chose to manipulate them to LSX world.

I will also say that when I made those runs I had 4 stored SES codes. My car was running extremely rich which was snagging my timing out of the car. It was dropped so low that I wouldn't be shocked if my car was putting down 350rwhp. My trap speeds for that day were 11mph slower than my previous years best with only a cam. There was a problem. I put the times so I could have the times.

Now that my car is retuned and running correctly, I need to get new shocks. I broke my shocks last time I was at the track. Shit breaks, shit happens. I will go back next year and get my times and spray the hell out of it too! :p

[absolom]

i still think that's kinda weak...

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by absolom
i still think that's kinda weak...

You also have long hair, dress in drag, and don't know nearly as much about Corvettes as Lou.

The C5 was dead on with the 350hp claim. The C6 IS dead on with the 400hp claim.

The ONLY LS1 that was underrated was for the Fbody.

The guy did a baseline in stock form. Then he took off the stock manifolds, put on his manifolds with an off-road pipe, removed the cats, and picked up an impressive 30rwhp/44rwtq. It's not rocket science. The car is going to be great to see in action. He also mentioned that LS2 edit isn't out for another 8 weeks. :eek:

So, with this information. A LS2 C6 with longtubes, ORP, !cats, will make ~375rwhp or more. So, I think it's safe to say that with a "smooth bellow" and an intake, and a cat back exhaust the car will push over 400rwhp. :cool:

C5 Z06's pushed 11.70s - 11.80s. With the LS2 C6 making more power we can expect similar times, if not better.

[MachoSavage]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
You also have long hair, dress in drag, and don't know nearly as much about Corvettes as Lou.

The C5 was dead on with the 350hp claim. The C6 IS dead on with the 400hp claim.

The ONLY LS1 that was underrated was for the Fbody.

The guy did a baseline in stock form. Then he took off the stock manifolds, put on his manifolds with an off-road pipe, removed the cats, and picked up an impressive 30rwhp/44rwtq. It's not rocket science. The car is going to be great to see in action. He also mentioned that LS2 edit isn't out for another 8 weeks. :eek:

So, with this information. A LS2 C6 with longtubes, ORP, !cats, will make ~375rwhp or more. So, I think it's safe to say that with a "smooth bellow" and an intake, and a cat back exhaust the car will push over 400rwhp. :cool:

C5 Z06's pushed 11.70s - 11.80s. With the LS2 C6 making more power we can expect similar times, if not better.


A Cobra is Faster with a Chip and pulley! So is a C32 AMG, E55 AMG and Supra's



;) Please stop the Flaming guys!

[MachoSavage]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
You also have long hair, dress in drag, and don't know nearly as much about Corvettes as Lou.

The C5 was dead on with the 350hp claim. The C6 IS dead on with the 400hp claim.

Wrong the C5 was underrated as heck! I saw pure stock C5's dyno at anywhere from 325-340rwhp! I saw pure z06's dyno 15rwhp better than the C6 BROTHER!

[Mike04Z06]

343rwhp - thats about what you SHOULD expect considering that puts it almost right at 400hp at the crank.

FWIW my bone stock < 1500 mile 04 Z06 dyno'd 346rwhp stock. It'll be interesting to see how things work between the LS6 and LS2 as far as mods go.

I have a friend with an 04 Z06 with just a cam in it and he went from 347rwhp bone stock to 380rwhp with the cam + tune. I'd love to see what headers do for him.

It'd also be interesting to see the LG Motorsports car and what a cam + tune could do with those headers.

[Mike04Z06]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28
You also have long hair, dress in drag, and don't know nearly as much about Corvettes as Lou.

The C5 was dead on with the 350hp claim. The C6 IS dead on with the 400hp claim.

The ONLY LS1 that was underrated was for the Fbody.

The guy did a baseline in stock form. Then he took off the stock manifolds, put on his manifolds with an off-road pipe, removed the cats, and picked up an impressive 30rwhp/44rwtq. It's not rocket science. The car is going to be great to see in action. He also mentioned that LS2 edit isn't out for another 8 weeks. :eek:

So, with this information. A LS2 C6 with longtubes, ORP, !cats, will make ~375rwhp or more. So, I think it's safe to say that with a "smooth bellow" and an intake, and a cat back exhaust the car will push over 400rwhp. :cool:

C5 Z06's pushed 11.70s - 11.80s. With the LS2 C6 making more power we can expect similar times, if not better.

Don't forget the tires on the C5 Z06 are a million times better than the crappy runflats on the C6 coupe/vert. Don't expect bone stock C6's to make great times with shitty stock tires :)

[McRat]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
A Cobra is Faster with a Chip and pulley! So is a C32 AMG, E55 AMG and Supra's



;) Please stop the Flaming guys!

Dream on, hamster boy.

A chip and a pulley is going to push a SuperCobra into the mid 12's at a typical track. Add tires, exhaust, intake, then you're talking.

C32 Mercedes? Please.

E55? Yep. They are strong with mods.

Supra? With the right driver and set-up, they are dangerous. But most aren't.

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
Wrong the C5 was underrated as heck! I saw pure stock C5's dyno at anywhere from 325-340rwhp! I saw pure z06's dyno 15rwhp better than the C6 BROTHER!

:bs:

Dude. Don't tell me what C5's dyno. They were nearly dead on at 350hp at the flywheel. They consistantly were between 295-305 for an auto and 305-310 for a manual. Those are the norms. Of course there are freaks here and there, but this is a brand new C6.

Don't get all butthurt because the C6 doesn't make a bazillion horsepower.

[CaptainTrips]

Originally posted by MJSbossman
All the C6 boys are sad their lil coupe isn't gonna beat the C5 ZO6. :boohoo:

Why would they be? THe C5 Z06 is rated at a slightly higher Hp number and weighs less, of course it will out preform it.

[Mike04Z06]

I wonder if the people that were saying "The C6 is going to assromp the C5 Z06 like mad OMGLOL!!!11!!one!eleven" will come out and admit they were wrong :)

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by McRat
Dream on, hamster boy.

A chip and a pulley is going to push a SuperCobra into the mid 12's at a typical track. Add tires, exhaust, intake, then you're talking.

C32 Mercedes? Please.

E55? Yep. They are strong with mods.

Supra? With the right driver and set-up, they are dangerous. But most aren't.

:werd:

Im using real world stats for what the C6 will do. The power for the Cobra is there but rarely do the drivers take a chip'd Cobra into the 11's. I've never seen it. As a matter of fact, a Cobra with a chip, pulley, headers, exhaust, pro 5.0, nittos, and a 75 shot of nitrous was dead even with my car. Thats a little more than a chip.

Anyways, this is about the Corvette, not other cars. The C6 is leagues above the 03/04 Cobra.

[CaptainTrips]

Originally posted by JohnnyZ28

The C5 was dead on with the 350hp claim. The C6 IS dead on with the 400hp claim.

The ONLY LS1 that was underrated was for the Fbody.



Everybody please re-read this, GM never under rated the LS1, they said it did 350hp, it puts down ~300ish to the wheels. They under rated the F-body becuase it's a GM policy that no car of theirs will out preform the Corvette (at least on paper).

BTW my Z06 put down 355 to the wheels, bone sotck, with 3500 miles on it, I wasn't upset

[MachoSavage]

Originally posted by McRat
Dream on, hamster boy.

A chip and a pulley is going to push a SuperCobra into the mid 12's at a typical track. Add tires, exhaust, intake, then you're talking.

C32 Mercedes? Please.

E55? Yep. They are strong with mods.

Supra? With the right driver and set-up, they are dangerous. But most aren't. Your Clueless Think about what you just wrote dumbass! All Those cars Chiped and pullied ARE faster, than a STOCK C6 and Z06 especially if your fat ass is driving them, those extra pounds on your ass actually slow you down! , so you dream on FAt man

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
Your Clueless Think about what you just wrote dumbass! All Those cars Chiped and pullied ARE faster, than a STOCK C6 and Z06 especially if your fat ass is driving them, those extra pounds on your ass actually slow you down! , so you dream on FAt man

Wow dude. You're pretty lame. Start making fun of someones weight because you can't hold a decent argument.

Go find proof of a bone stock C5 LS1 making 330rwhp. Please provide links from a credible source.

Then, go find a chip and pullied Cobra that runs 11's as well. With just those two mods, I doubt you will.

McRat has more tracktime then you ever will. I bet his WIFE has more time than you will. Obviously he is doing something right because he was getting 11's out of the car when it was damn near bone stock.

[Bardiel]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
Your Clueless Think about what you just wrote dumbass! All Those cars Chiped and pullied ARE faster, than a STOCK C6 and Z06 especially if your fat ass is driving them, those extra pounds on your ass actually slow you down! , so you dream on FAt man How old are you 10:rolleyes: . It seems that whenever you cant keep up in a argument you resort to name calling.

[Mike04Z06]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
Your Clueless Think about what you just wrote dumbass! All Those cars Chiped and pullied ARE faster, than a STOCK C6 and Z06 especially if your fat ass is driving them, those extra pounds on your ass actually slow you down! , so you dream on FAt man

Wow, way to be tasteless. :uhok:

[MachoSavage]

Originally posted by Bardiel
How old are you 10:rolleyes: . It seems that whenever you cant keep up in a argument you resort to name calling. Ohh I guess you didn't catch him call a name first!

"Hamster boy" so go read his post and btw shut up

[JohnnyLS2]

Originally posted by Bardiel
How old are you 10:rolleyes: . It seems that whenever you cant keep up in a argument you resort to name calling.

:werd:

He shouldn't even be allowed to use Newbomb's old avatar.... :(

[CaptainTrips]

I don't know why we got off on talking about cobra's, but here's my 0.02 ;) The Cobra needs at least an extra 100rwhp to even keep up with a Z06. There's what a 600-700lb diffreance between the 2 cars

[DrEvyl]

Knock off the flames, people.

[SBCGENII]

what is your problem, the C6 is making the power GM said it would and its not even broken in yet what dont you understand do you morons know about the 15% power loss of the drivetrain. nobody has lied here you are just idiots. This car will get almost (400rwh) "rear wheel horsepower" with boltons and no tune. I feel sorry for you going through talking on message board about cars and not knowing anything about them. This next part is you talking "drrrr the c6 is a piece of crap because it didnt dyno more than a Zo6 and GM said it would have 400hp and its missing 50,Dave Hill is full of crap he doesnt know what he is talking about or what he is doing get him out of corvette"
One more thing you think Lou underatted his numbers why? Calloway had one on the rollers with 15 miles on the clock "347 i think you have to acount for weather and different dynos, still very simaler #" did you not think anybody else was going to dyno and Lous was just going to be the industry standard:mad:

[McRat]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
Ohh I guess you didn't catch him call a name first!

"Hamster boy" so go read his post and btw shut up

Hampster Boy n - 1) Someone who runs in circles getting nowhere.

I shouldn't respond to your lame attempts at insults, but I'm in a strange mood.

I'm 6'1" and 258lbs. Or roughly the size of a college football lineman. That 100lbs is 0.1 seconds in the 1/4mi, and trust me, I can make that up with two shifts if I need the ET.

I ran my first 10 second ET in 1979 at age 18. I've got over 10lb of titanium in my bones, and have crashed at over 120 miles per hour. I paid my dues. Have you?

To me, magazine racers such as yourself are weak-shit. Yap, Yap, Yap, like a little dog.

Equal cars, same day, I'm willing to bet I can put a pretty good fight with any skinny-ass wannabe such as yourself.

Go change your rod bearings and leave the car talk to the real enthusiasts, eh hoser?

;)

[REDHAWK#35]

Originally posted by MachoSavage
Ohh I guess you didn't catch him call a name first!

"Hamster boy" so go read his post and btw shut up

Is manchosavage a homo with the hamster refrence, maybe you touched a nerve LOL:D

[Chevcamaro18]

Originally posted by SBCGENII
what is your problem, the C6 is making the power GM said it would and its not even broken in yet what dont you understand do you morons know about the 15% power loss of the drivetrain. nobody has lied here you are just idiots. This car will get almost (400rwh) "rear wheel horsepower" with boltons and no tune. I feel sorry for you going through talking on message board about cars and not knowing anything about them. This next part is you talking "drrrr the c6 is a piece of crap because it didnt dyno more than a Zo6 and GM said it would have 400hp and its missing 50,Dave Hill is full of crap he doesnt know what he is talking about or what he is doing get him out of corvette"
One more thing you think Lou underatted his numbers why? Calloway had one on the rollers with 15 miles on the clock "347 i think you have to acount for weather and different dynos, still very simaler #" did you not think anybody else was going to dyno and Lous was just going to be the industry standard:mad:

Come on man...tell us how you really feel.

[jpstax]

It looks like the 15% loss of hp (crank to wheels) "rule of thumb" is correct after all. All the dyno tests are proving it.